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noncarborundum



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,09:57   

Quote (JLT @ Sep. 02 2011,09:30)

I also observe that the universe is pretty dark, cold, and mostly empty, and I still have lights, a heating system, and furniture.

At least for now you do.  But just wait for the new austerity measures that are just around the corner.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,10:08   

My heat went out a few years ago. I live in Florida, but it still gets below freezing several times a year.

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,10:21   

Quote (noncarborundum @ Sep. 02 2011,15:57)
 
Quote (JLT @ Sep. 02 2011,09:30)

I also observe that the universe is pretty dark, cold, and mostly empty, and I still have lights, a heating system, and furniture.

At least for now you do.  But just wait for the new austerity measures that are just around the corner.

I'll fight for my couch to the death!
OTOH, I'm using energy saving bulbs* since approximately 1995, so they don't get me there ;)

* Since yesterday, 60-watt bulbs are banned in all countries of the European union (100-watt and 75-watt bulbs were already banned).

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Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,10:52   

Quote (JLT @ Sep. 02 2011,16:21)
[SNIP]

OTOH, I'm using energy saving bulbs*

[SNIP]

* Since yesterday, 60-watt bulbs are banned in all countries of the European union (100-watt and 75-watt bulbs were already banned).

ZOMG SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!

Energy saving bulbs are wicked and evil and do not represent proper/Jesus'/American/British/Whatever bulbs that have been around forever since Adam made them in the Garden of Eden and these new bulbs give you cancer and are due to that fake global warming stuff which is a communist, atheist, gay, leftie, black, tree hugger plot made to take money from rich, white people (who are the best at everything ever and deserve to be by divine/biological/both right) and you can't tell me that's not true because old bulbs give better light and it's not entirely subjective at all oh no it's not.

And they lower house prices and encourage dirty dirty immigrants who are now white, but speak funny, which makes us confused because we can't call them pakis.

[/Daily Mail and/or my mother]

Louis

ETA: How did I do?

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,11:04   

Quote (Louis @ Sep. 02 2011,16:52)
 
Quote (JLT @ Sep. 02 2011,16:21)
[SNIP]

OTOH, I'm using energy saving bulbs*

[SNIP]

* Since yesterday, 60-watt bulbs are banned in all countries of the European union (100-watt and 75-watt bulbs were already banned).

ZOMG SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!

Energy saving bulbs are wicked and evil and do not represent proper/Jesus'/American/British/Whatever bulbs that have been around forever since Adam made them in the Garden of Eden and these new bulbs give you cancer and are due to that fake global warming stuff which is a communist, atheist, gay, leftie, black, tree hugger plot made to take money from rich, white people (who are the best at everything ever and deserve to be by divine/biological/both right) and you can't tell me that's not true because old bulbs give better light and it's not entirely subjective at all oh no it's not.

And they lower house prices and encourage dirty dirty immigrants who are now white, but speak funny, which makes us confused because we can't call them pakis.

[/Daily Mail and/or my mother]

Louis

ETA: How did I do?

Pretty good, but you forgot that it's a conspiracy by Osram and Philipps to monopolise the market*, that energy saving bulbs are actually WORSE for the environment, and that they lead to depression.

ETA: * which nicely fits in with the communist etc. plot to take money from the rich.

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,11:08   

Quote (JLT @ Sep. 02 2011,11:04)
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 02 2011,16:52)
 
Quote (JLT @ Sep. 02 2011,16:21)
[SNIP]

OTOH, I'm using energy saving bulbs*

[SNIP]

* Since yesterday, 60-watt bulbs are banned in all countries of the European union (100-watt and 75-watt bulbs were already banned).

ZOMG SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!

Energy saving bulbs are wicked and evil and do not represent proper/Jesus'/American/British/Whatever bulbs that have been around forever since Adam made them in the Garden of Eden and these new bulbs give you cancer and are due to that fake global warming stuff which is a communist, atheist, gay, leftie, black, tree hugger plot made to take money from rich, white people (who are the best at everything ever and deserve to be by divine/biological/both right) and you can't tell me that's not true because old bulbs give better light and it's not entirely subjective at all oh no it's not.

And they lower house prices and encourage dirty dirty immigrants who are now white, but speak funny, which makes us confused because we can't call them pakis.

[/Daily Mail and/or my mother]

Louis

ETA: How did I do?

Pretty good, but you forgot that it's a conspiracy by Osram and Philipps to monopolise the market, that energy saving bulbs are actually WORSE for the environment, and that they lead to depression.

Don't forget the mercury... won't someone think of the egrets?

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,11:12   

{Facepalm}

The mercury, conspiracy and worse for the environment? How could forget those?

I'm getting old. BAH!!

Louis

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,11:32   

Quote (Louis @ Sep. 02 2011,17:12)
{Facepalm}

The mercury, conspiracy and worse for the environment? How could forget those?

I'm getting old. BAH!!

Louis

There's *always* a conspiracy, and if they THEY claim otherwise, it's a cover-up. If you claim otherwise, you're either a naive dupe or in THEIR pockets. No evidence for a conspiracy only shows how deep-reaching THEIR influence is. And if the conspiracy theory only works if governments and scientists all over the world are together in it, that only means that you should buy 10 000 light bulbs, a diesel generator, a plywood shack somewhere in the woods, and a gun if you live in the US (I actually read that in a comment...) or that you should buy 10 000 light bulbs, leave all your lights on at all times (that'll show Them!)*, and get really angry in the pub, if you live in Germany. In the UK, you'll probably become Lord Monckton.

* I read that one, too.

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"Random mutations, if they are truly random, will affect, and potentially damage, any aspect of the organism, [...]
Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,19:26   

markf continues pwning UD:
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However, your point is interesting. It seems you are suggesting that the ID argument is:

“known non-design alternatives for life are wrong therefore life was designed”

I think this is a good summary of the ID argument but do you really support it? I have spent hours hearing from people on the ID side protesting that this is not the case. They claim there is positive evidence for design as well as evidence against “Darwinism”.

Barry "Free Speech For Me But Not For Thee" Arrington helpfully points Mark to ID's positive claims, including:
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1.  Living things display IC and FSCI.

2.  Material forces have never been shown to produce IC and FSCI.

3.  Intelligent agents routinely produce IC and FSCI.

4.  Therefore, based on the evidence that we have in front of us, the best explanation for the presence of IC and FSCI in living things is that they are the result of acts of an intelligent agent.

So, Barry, how about some examples of how to calculate this FSCI thing you're on about?  You could start with these four scenarios.

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,22:16   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 02 2011,06:35)
Gordo equates atheists with paedophiles:



It goes on but....

According to Gordon E. Mullings it was not clear if the actress in the porn KairosFocus admittted to have watched was even 18:  
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This lovely, fresh-faced smiling young miss (I gather she was precisely 18 at the time of this picture)

Of course it is not his fault:
 
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There is now a rising flood of free -- much of it amateur [or pseudo-amateur] -- Internet pornography, just a simple Google search away. All you have to do is make a simple mistake in a search and the links to the most graphic, "hard core" porn sites will start to come up.

Thus, we are being lured into a world of graphical, aural and verbal stimulation, designed to pull us into an addiction to not only watching but participating in anything-goes action, and to eventually join the fun by (a) taking and posting public pictures of your "equipment" or adventures, or even (b) advertising in pop-ups on the same sites.


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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2011,07:18   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 02 2011,17:53)
markf ftw:
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One way of looking at this. If ID can only measure its progress through objections to “Darwinism” then how is progress in ID different from progress in any other creationist movement such as AIG?

Not even UD can spin ID's "achievements" over the past five years any better than that.

umm don't spoil the party dude.

In the name of the lord let them be our most obedient servants.



aAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

GAFAW

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Seversky



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2011,11:35   

DeNews quotes Mark Steyn getting all nostalgic about the movie Apollo 13.  She tries to smear current thinking in cosmology by linking it to the fiction of the upcoming Apollo 18.

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Now, some fear NASA will end up in tune with crackpot cosmologies. You know, “We are living in a giant hologram, or a giant trailer filled with poop, or whatever Stephen Hawking says we are living in” because he is The Smartest Man in the WorldTM, and these days genius beats exploration as a source of knowledge.


Obviously, it's much better to rely on a book filled with stories of talking snakes or sticks that turn into snakes or voices speaking out of burning bushes or the parting of seas or people turned into pillars of salt for just looking the wrong way.  Let's keep things real here, people.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2011,12:59   

Quote (sparc @ Sep. 02 2011,20:16)
     
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There is now a rising flood of free -- much of it amateur [or pseudo-amateur] -- Internet pornography, just a simple Google search away. All you have to do is make a simple mistake in a search and the links to the most graphic, "hard core" porn sites will start to come up.

Well, sure. I don't know how many times I've tried to Google "Basic Astrophysics" and ended up at "Back Door Babes". Happens all the time. Even when my "safe search" filter is on, right Gorgo?

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2011,13:23   

Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 03 2011,18:59)
Quote (sparc @ Sep. 02 2011,20:16)
       
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There is now a rising flood of free -- much of it amateur [or pseudo-amateur] -- Internet pornography, just a simple Google search away. All you have to do is make a simple mistake in a search and the links to the most graphic, "hard core" porn sites will start to come up.

Well, sure. I don't know how many times I've tried to Google "Basic Astrophysics" and ended up at "Back Door Babes". Happens all the time. Even when my "safe search" filter is on, right Gorgo?

Happens to me too when I search "back door babe", that was that adorable moment in the movie Babe, when Babe the piglet tries to get into the farmer's house through the backdoor.

I don't regret the searches, though. It seems Gordo* has something against sex. How surprising...







*I am really reluctant about that nick. For me Gordo has always been Leroy Gordon Cooper, a hero of mine, even if he went crazy pants in his later years.

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2011,13:56   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 03 2011,13:23)
Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 03 2011,18:59)
Quote (sparc @ Sep. 02 2011,20:16)
       
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There is now a rising flood of free -- much of it amateur [or pseudo-amateur] -- Internet pornography, just a simple Google search away. All you have to do is make a simple mistake in a search and the links to the most graphic, "hard core" porn sites will start to come up.

Well, sure. I don't know how many times I've tried to Google "Basic Astrophysics" and ended up at "Back Door Babes". Happens all the time. Even when my "safe search" filter is on, right Gorgo?

Happens to me too when I search "back door babe", that was that adorable moment in the movie Babe, when Babe the piglet tries to get into the farmer's house through the backdoor.

I don't regret the searches, though. It seems Gordo* has something against sex. How surprising...







*I am really reluctant about that nick. For me Gordo has always been Leroy Gordon Cooper, a hero of mine, even if he went crazy pants in his later years.

Also make sure you spell "Toyota" correctly and I don't suggest "whitehouse.com"

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2011,14:22   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 03 2011,13:56)

Also make sure you spell "Toyota" correctly and I don't suggest "whitehouse.com"

Whitehouse.com is down now, but Wiki says this: "In 2004 Dan Parisi decided to sell the domain, mainly because of his son who would be in kindergarten the next year. At this point he was making US$1 million annually from the site alone."

Who was it who said, "I'm not in politics for my health?"

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2011,16:13   

Densey O'Bleary's Philosophy of Science:  
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Intelligent design will prevail when engineers rule.

Cuz an engineer would never tell you that we live in a giant trailer full of poop.

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F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
The geological maps that realist use to make money are all surface maps. -forastero

  
Seversky



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2011,18:14   

Quote (paragwinn @ Sep. 03 2011,16:13)
Densey O'Bleary's Philosophy of Science:    
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Intelligent design will prevail when engineers rule.

Cuz an engineer would never tell you that we live in a giant trailer full of poop.

Tacoma Narrows Bridge

Titanic

Hindenberg

Hyatt Regency Walkway (Kansas City)

Ford Pinto

London Millenium Footbridge

Space Shuttle Challenger

Chernobyl

Tay Bridge (Scotland)

De Havilland Comet

Deepwater Horizon

... etc

Yep, engineers are so much less error-prone than all the other disciplines and professions..

  
Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2011,19:20   

If doctors bury their mistakes, lawyers appeal theirs, and scientists build on theirs, what do engineers do?


PS: Are statisticians reasonably certain of  their mistakes?

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JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2011,19:54   

Quote (Seversky @ Sep. 03 2011,19:14)
Quote (paragwinn @ Sep. 03 2011,16:13)
Densey O'Bleary's Philosophy of Science:      
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Intelligent design will prevail when engineers rule.

Cuz an engineer would never tell you that we live in a giant trailer full of poop.

Tacoma Narrows Bridge

Titanic

Hindenberg

Hyatt Regency Walkway (Kansas City)

Ford Pinto

London Millenium Footbridge

Space Shuttle Challenger

Chernobyl

Tay Bridge (Scotland)

De Havilland Comet

Deepwater Horizon

... etc

Yep, engineers are so much less error-prone than all the other disciplines and professions..

You left out Bhopal.  Won't someone think of the chemical engineers?

  
paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2011,20:54   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 03 2011,17:54)
Quote (Seversky @ Sep. 03 2011,19:14)
Quote (paragwinn @ Sep. 03 2011,16:13)
Densey O'Bleary's Philosophy of Science:      
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Intelligent design will prevail when engineers rule.

Cuz an engineer would never tell you that we live in a giant trailer full of poop.

Tacoma Narrows Bridge

Titanic

Hindenberg

Hyatt Regency Walkway (Kansas City)

Ford Pinto

London Millenium Footbridge

Space Shuttle Challenger

Chernobyl

Tay Bridge (Scotland)

De Havilland Comet

Deepwater Horizon

... etc

Yep, engineers are so much less error-prone than all the other disciplines and professions..

You left out Bhopal.  Won't someone think of the chemical engineers?

That's right, take all the limelight away from the railroad and custodial engineers!

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
The geological maps that realist use to make money are all surface maps. -forastero

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2011,21:02   

Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 03 2011,19:20)
If doctors bury their mistakes, lawyers appeal theirs, and scientists build on theirs, what do engineers do?


PS: Are statisticians reasonably certain of  their mistakes?

Engineers blame the accountants.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2011,21:18   

ID will prevail when D O'L transforms into a woman.

  
paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2011,22:09   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 03 2011,19:18)
ID will prevail when D O'L transforms into a woman.

As portrayed in the upcoming cinematic feature "Tranmawformers: Back-Side of the Dog" using CSI effects, engineered by GilDo, legally protected by Barry 'Jackpot' Arrington.

(To be double-featured with "Expelled II: Intelligence IOU" )

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
The geological maps that realist use to make money are all surface maps. -forastero

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2011,23:43   

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If doctors bury their mistakes, lawyers appeal theirs, and scientists build on theirs, what do engineers do?

Hit the reboot button?

Henry

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2011,00:31   

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I am a software/aerodynamics/mechanical/artificial-intelligence/information-processing/integrating-all-of-these-engineering-disciplines engineer
says the one time piano player who owns three college degrees in foreign language, literature, and music who otherwise spent a consiiderable time of his life hanging around without any further formal education.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2011,00:55   

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Genetics paper retracted: “Some other mechanism” is responsible for genetic mutations
September 3, 2011
Posted by News under Evolution, Genetics, Intelligent Design, Natural selection, News
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In “Genetics Paper Retracted: Due to statistical errors, a Science paper claiming that mutation is responsible for genetic variation is retracted” (The Scientist September 2, 2011), Jessica P. Johnson reports,

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A May 2010 Science paper showing that the most genetically fit cow-pea weevils have fewer deleterious genetic mutations in their genomes than their less fit counterparts was retracted yesterday (September 1) by the authors because of flaws in their statistical analysis.
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The results apparently supported the hypothesis that individuals with the fewest bad mutations will produce the most fit offspring.
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The revised data analysis, which shows little effect on fitness due to mutation, suggests that some other mechanism may instead be responsible for maintaining genetic variation in weevil populations.

Wonder what?

Must have been the designer at work.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2011,00:57   

BTW, it is good to know that due to their moral superiority decent behaviour like retracting errornous papers is so common among ID scientists.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2011,02:05   

DeNews as always speaks out for academic freedom:

 
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The zone of protected professorial speech is shrinking.


They might want to check into what’s happening to students too. They should see Expelled as well.

Today’s universities are a living antithesis of everything North American nations were founded for.


Ah, yes.  There was that notorious case of the professor at some Southern Baptist seminary who wrote something that was felt to be at odds with orthodox opinion at the institution.  He was invited to 'clarify' his position or look for another job.  

DeNews really gave them a hard time over that.

Or was that someone else?

  
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2011,02:21   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 03 2011,19:18)
ID will prevail when D O'L transforms into a woman.

don't you mean finishes the transformation? Or am I confusing D with someone else?

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When wished on the morning star
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