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Jim_Wynne



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,08:43   

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KBertsche investigates Cornell's role:
 
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I see both sides of this issue, but I would put as much or more blame on Cornell than on groups that rent Statler Hall from them. Cornell, as a private university, has no obligation to rent their space to anyone. They try to attract rentals as a source of income. And the Cornell name is a selling point for their rentals. Cornell can't have it both ways; if they want to attract rental groups with the Cornell name, they must expect that these same groups will use the Cornell name to publicize their events.

According to the information sheet about renting Statler Hall, "The Hotel School reserves the right to refuse requests for use of space in Statler Hall that it believes is not in keeping with the mission and goals of the school." If Cornell is embarrassed by this situation, they should change their rental policy or make their approval process tighter.

Cornell's event planning information sheet shows concern about using their name or logo on "merchandise" "(i.e. shirts, hats, pens, etc.)" but specifically says, "Note that this policy does not apply to information printed on paper (i.e. posters, program booklets, etc.)."

I don't think the group did anything wrong in scheduling or publicizing their symposium. On the other hand, in attempting to use Cornell's name in the publication of their proceedings, the may well have violated Cornell's policy statement on Use of Cornell's Name, Logos, Trademarks, and Insignias. These sections of the statement are pertinent:  
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Cornell University


Responsibility for use of Cornell’s name and marks in the ordinary course of university business rests with the unit head. Questions regarding such use should be directed to the unit head. Examples of such use:
1. Official unit names. For example, “Cornell Institute for Public Affairs.”
2. Official event names. For example, “Cornell Conference on Law,” or “Cornell Nutrition Conference,” when approved by the appropriate dean or unit head and operated as a university event.
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Except as specifically authorized in writing, use of Cornell’s name and marks in advertising and other promotional vehicles is prohibited when such use is likely to be perceived as an endorsement, even if such an endorsement is not the intention of the person or organization seeking to use Cornell’s name or marks.
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Except those uses included in the “Ordinary Course of University Business” segment of this policy, the use of the name “Cornell University” or “Cornell,” in non-student organization names implying or tending to imply some official connection with the university, is prohibited except with the written permission of the university and under such restrictions as it may impose.

This person seems confused. On the one hand, he says "I don't think the group did anything wrong in scheduling or publicizing their symposium," then he quotes Cornell as saying "Except as specifically authorized in writing, use of Cornell’s name and marks in advertising and other promotional vehicles is prohibited when such use is likely to be perceived as an endorsement, even if such an endorsement is not the intention of the person or organization seeking to use Cornell’s name or marks."

It's pretty clear that the intent was to create the impression that Cornell was somehow officially complicit.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,09:09   

They woulda got away with it if they hadn't bragged before publication. Premature jubilation.

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Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,10:27   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 06 2012,09:09)
They woulda got away with it if they hadn't bragged before publication. Premature jubilation.

and if it hadn't been for those meddling kids ...

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Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,11:05   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 06 2012,09:09)
They woulda got away with it if they hadn't bragged before publication. Premature jubilation.

And that says a lot about the review process at Springer.

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eigenstate



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,11:43   

Just putting this in the thread, in case Tiggy's thread eventually gets nuked -- a Cornell reference in Dembski's CV on the boondoggle:

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No less that head IDiot William Dembski has gone the same route. From his CV:

PROFESSIONAL ACTIVITIES
2011 “A General Theory of Information Cost Incurred by Successful Search,” presented 31 May 2011 at Biological Information: New Perspectives (international conference at Cornell University, 31 May – 2 June 2011).

link

The whole Intelligent Design Creation movement is based on such intellectual dishonesty.

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Here's the link Tiggy supplied:

http://www.designinference.com/documen....ski.pdf

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,12:14   

Huh... there's irony for you.

I just discovered that David Dunning of Dunning-Krueger fame works at... Cornell.

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The research, led by David Dunning, a psychologist at Cornell University, shows that incompetent people are inherently unable to judge the competence of other people, or the quality of those people’s ideas. For example, if people lack expertise on tax reform, it is very difficult for them to identify the candidates who are actual experts. They simply lack the mental tools needed to make meaningful judgments.


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khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,14:56   

The event was held at Cornell University

Is that the same as staying at Holiday Inn Express?

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,21:17   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 06 2012,09:09)
They woulda got away with it if they hadn't bragged before publication. Premature jubilation.

I thought it was Springer's automated marketing apparatus lurching into motion that spoiled their plan.

I suppose asking for an additional paragraph in the contract requiring the publisher to keep quiet about the volume until the copies are actually printed would be a bit suspicious.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,22:47   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 06 2012,21:17)
 
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 06 2012,09:09)
They woulda got away with it if they hadn't bragged before publication. Premature jubilation.

I thought it was Springer's automated marketing apparatus lurching into motion that spoiled their plan.

I suppose asking for an additional paragraph in the contract requiring the publisher to keep quiet about the volume until the copies are actually printed would be a bit suspicious.

I've learned about the book from Dembski's CV on February 27 (in the US it was still the 26th).  
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BOOKS
in preparation
Biological Information: New Perspectives (co-edited with Robert J. Marks II, John Sanford, Michael Behe, and Bruce Gordon). Under contract with Springer Verlag.


There's more to come:
 
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Substantially revised 2nd edition of No Free Lunch: Why Specified Complexity Cannot Be Purchased without Intelligence (with Robert J. Marks II as new co-author). Under contract with Rowman & Littlefield.

Christian Darwinism: Why Theistic Evolution Fails as Science and Theology (coauthored with Denyse O’Leary, mounting a fundamental challenge to theistic evolution). Under contract with Broadman & Holman.

Mind Altering: How Culture is Changing Our Brains (co-authored with Baylor neuroscientist Matthew Stanford).

Baylor again, his unrequited love. But how deep can one sink to co-author a book with DO'L. After all who if not Dembski must be aware of her logic and her writings. OTOH, IIRC it was Dembski who hired her for UD.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,23:11   

WRITING!: WHAT DENYSE DOES? WELL!

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,03:12   

Quick - I've written a blog post that's going to go up on a Major UK (and international) newspaper's web pages about this and it needs a picture. Can anyone suggest something, e.g. from the AtBC archives, that would be suitable, free to use, and not too offensive? I don't want to get sued.

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,03:22   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 07 2012,01:12)
Quick - I've written a blog post that's going to go up on a Major UK (and international) newspaper's web pages about this and it needs a picture. Can anyone suggest something, e.g. from the AtBC archives, that would be suitable, free to use, and not too offensive? I don't want to get sued.

A picture of what?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,03:41   

Bob, I'm just asking for an idea of what you're looking for. Maybe I can help.

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,04:06   

Something to illustrate the BI:NP story. I know there have been a few amusing photoshops done over the years here, and one of those might be suitable.

Other than that I'm fairly flexible. This is a last minute job (the post should go up in a couple of hours), so I'm happy for people to suggest previous work. Or a LOLcat.

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,05:18   

Bob, don't feel obligated to use any of these, but you can if you want.





If you like the picture but want different words, tell me what you want and I'll make it. Better hurry though because I'll be going to sleep soon.

You can also make your own here

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,05:49   

I like the first one. I almost said "no LOLDembskis", but now I'm glad I didn't.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,05:55   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 07 2012,03:49)
I like the first one. I almost said "no LOLDembskis", but now I'm glad I didn't.

Here's a smaller version of it, that looks a little better:



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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,06:20   

If we can get it passed the lawyers, it looks like we'll go for this. Who should get the credit? "The Whole Truth", or do you want your real name used?

You're not David S. Springer are you?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,06:36   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 07 2012,04:20)
If we can get it passed the lawyers, it looks like we'll go for this. Who should get the credit? "The Whole Truth", or do you want your real name used?

You're not David S. Springer are you?

You don't have to give me any credit, but if you want to just use The whole truth. Nope, I'm not David Springer.

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But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,06:40   

I just want to add that I'll accept full responsibility when it comes to any legal matters for any pictures or text that I post here or anywhere else.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,07:08   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 06 2012,17:09)
They woulda got away with it if they hadn't bragged before publication. Premature jubilation.

Yeah they fluffed it

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,07:19   

OK, sparc, what I saw in the UD thread was you pointing out the Springer page for the book. Thanks for the explanation.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,08:28   

Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 07 2012,08:08)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 06 2012,17:09)
They woulda got away with it if they hadn't bragged before publication. Premature jubilation.

Yeah they fluffed it

what a waste, a whole department of fluffers for a couple of permanent priapisms

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,12:12   

Bob's post on BI:NP is up at the Guardian.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,12:40   

Should have known someone would get there first - I was sent to the cellar to get the incubator.

I had lots of links here and to PT, but they were removed by The Guardian.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,12:43   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 07 2012,12:40)
Should have known someone would get there first - I was sent to the cellar to get the incubator.

I had lots of links here and to PT, but they were removed by The Guardian.

Still very insightful and useful to the wider audience.

Well done.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,13:21   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 06 2012,10:09)
They woulda got away with it if they hadn't bragged before publication. Premature jubilation.

In this case premature ejubilation.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,14:08   

Bob O'H must be Dembski's nightmare:
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conducting research at the Biodiversity and Climate Research Centre in Germany

Biodiversity and Climate Research, as if biodiversity weren't enough

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,15:21   

I guess I should start working on vaccines too, and complete the set.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,16:13   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 07 2012,12:40)
Should have known someone would get there first - I was sent to the cellar to get the incubator.

I had lots of links here and to PT, but they were removed by The Guardian.

EXPELLED! EVOMAT THOUGHT POLIC... wait, what?

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