Joined: Jan. 2012
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|That's interesting, because I have never felt lonely being the only evo on a hostile site.|
Not lonely, but it can be damned hard to offer sensible, thought-out and researched answers to a large, baying crowd detecting fresh meat who consider the entire gamut fair game and themselves as expert as one would need to be. Trying to be honest and accurate - and being called a cowardly liar for your trouble! - takes a lot more effort than just saying stuff.
it's important to remember that it's all about the LULZ
pretending like there is some sort of substance to critique therefore good faith internetting discussion is possible with ID creationists is a huge error IMO
that's a very different thing from fisking the tard.
look at wes on dembski: fisks the tard, brutally and without remorse, in print, with citations and leaves it up for dembski to run away from.
that's a totally different from trying to get KF to admit he is a lying dooshbag on UD where he can be lord of the flies gilligan bob marley gk chesterton version.
So, although I may have not been as clear on this in this thread as I was in my head, i think fisking the tard is great. i guess what i am getting at is that there are a lot of smart people wasting a great deal of time and effort to fruitlessly yet systematically expose the Wizard in the arguments made by some very obtuse, dishonest and stubborn stupid fucking creationists.
And I have done it too. And I hopefully will in the future. But I am about convinced that "wasting a great deal of time and effort" is a pretty good descriptor, if your objective is to detard more tards.
oh shit this is now framing
One can see it as a two-way troll. There's no substance on their side, but it can be fun to stir the nest and watch 'em scurry. They, equally, think that is exactly what they are doing with the 'science side' - getting us to expose what any 'educated person' can see is a hollow sham.
Trying to get KF to admit he's a douche is impossible, but getting him to show what a douche he is, complete with bullet points - piece of cake! Meantime, someone like Joe is a past master at provoking a response. One of his stupid, repetitive points is trigger enough to try and give a sensible answer from a scientific standpoint - even though you know who you're talking to, and what you might as well be doing instead. I think it is the troll-ey attitude, rather than the fundamental wrongness of the arguments or any belief/desire that minds may be changed, that sucks me in.
I don't think I'm doing anything with any wider import than joining a debating society.
If hail is made out of ice and ice came from ice via water, then hail is made out of ice. Joe G
BTW, when you make little jabs like â€śI thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,â€ť you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington