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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2009,13:28   

What will Clive do when "jerry" comes out?  Let's all hope he's not a gun-nut!

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KCdgw



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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2009,12:16   

Just in case...

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Dave Wisker

05/30/2009

10:24 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.


Jerry writes:

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It is represented here on this site and in the academic and popular literature by the lack of any coherent demonstration that Darwinian macro evolution ever took place. Now macro evolution did take place and no one is denying that here but there is no evidence for it happening by Darwinian processes or any other known natural processes.


For those who still think macrovolutionary processes have not or cannot be observed or examined experimentally, I suggest reading this essay by molecular biologist Art Hunt on his blog The RNA Underworld:

“Is macroevolution impossible to study (Part 2)?

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The plant kingdom is many things – the basis of agriculture and civilization, a natural laboratory with a stupefying capability in organic synthesis, a source of untold numbers of pharmaceuticals, antimicrobials, herbals, and other chemical playthings, a fascinating range of biological form and function, and an eminently accessible subject for studies of evolution. Along the lines of the last two bullets, one of the more interesting aspects of plants is the range of growth habits that may be adopted. Among these are two sets of contrasting characteristics – annual or perennial, and herbaceous or woody. Differences in these characteristics are among the bases for classification of plant species. For this reason, but also because accompanying morphological differences can be quite considerable, evolutionary changes that involve transitioning between these states are macroevolutionary. Thus, it stands to reason that studying the means by these characteristics evolve amounts to experimental analysis of macroevolution, and understanding the underlying mechanisms constitutes an explanation of macroevolutionary processes.


The article goes on to describe work with the plant Arabidopsis thaliana in which mutaions to two genes resulted in dramatic changes to the plant’s reproductive growth habits, changes that would, if found in two different populations would place them in different higher taxa. In other words, small, microevolutionary processes can be observed to produce macroevolutionary types of changes.

The article can be found here:

http://aghunt.wordpress.com/20.....dy-part-2/


KC

Edited by KCdgw on May 30 2009,12:17

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2009,22:31   

Diffaxial informs me that he has been placed in moderation. Directed to Moderator Clive by Diffaxial:

Why have I been placed in moderation?

Directed to me in a single post by UB:

"So if you are, perhaps, a slow learner or have difficulty with modest conceptualizations..."

"I may have overlooked it given your pompous certainty..."

"I apologize for not being more empathetic to any special needs you might have."

"To be quite honest, up until your last post I simply assumed that you were just another materialist bigot..."

"I want you to know that I am more than willing to slow down for you..."

Earlier,

"The preceding thread is a monument to your ability to bullshit your way through a conversation."

Jerry earlier:

"This is a rather stupid statement and indicates a lack of understanding of the issues."

And, of course Stephen's multiple aspersions regarding my "irrationality" on the "self-correcting" thread, which I know you have followed.

I've made no personal comments to any participant here whatsoever. You cannot seriously have placed me in moderation due to the phrase "cow pies" (about as strong as "poopy head") after remaining silent on the above.

Once again, UD shows its stripes as a cowardly forum where participants hide behind the skirts of moderation.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2009,10:37   

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CliveTard says "I knew it all along":
 
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Clive Hayden
06/03/2009
1:06 am

beelzeb—I mean, serendipity,

You move fast with your sock-puppets, I have to give you credit. It’s like a carnival act. I never seen such an amazing feat! It’s a lightnin’ fast sock puppet folks! Gather round! I recognize your style now right off the bat. Serendipity came on the scene the day after I banned beelzebub. Maybe give it a week next time? You should try to avoid getting my attention in the future, and just make comments here under the radar, and don’t insult Atom.


Right, Clive -- you knew it all along, which is why you waited five days to ban me.

You should have been able to figure it out, though -- I never attempt to disguise my style.  I just change the name.


Deadman assesses Clive's performance:
Quote (deadman_932 @ June 03 2009,01:43)
:)  In an open-debate forum (and without the ban-hammer in his sweaty little hands) I bet Clive would cry faster than Cornelius Hunter or John Baumgardner did...and they only lasted a few days.

Let me know when you decide to peek your head out of your safe little echo-chamber, Clivey.


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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2009,11:25   

Is Beelzebub one of us or someone new? PM me, you handsome devil!

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2009,11:36   

what you mean "us" kemosabe?

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2009,16:19   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ June 03 2009,12:36)
what you mean "us" kemosabe?

Another great Bill Cosby line!

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I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2009,19:57   

Clive "defends" his moderation decisions. Cross-posted from the Uncommonly Dense thread:
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A corollary of Poes' Law is that it's often impossible to tell whether an ID supporter is being stupid or just dishonest.  This is well illustrated by Clive's "defense" of his moderation decisions on two threads at UD (link, link).  At first I thought he was just lying in order to avoid to save face, but then I noticed that he still doesn't understand how to use blockquotes, that he misses the point even when it's not to his advantage to do so, and that he produces locutions such as "Why would you be asking jerry a question I made about moderation?"  The needle swung back sharply to "Stupid".  In the end, I concluded that he is both stupid and dishonest.  After reading the following, I think you'll agree:
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Alan Fox
05/30/2009
3:31 am

Jerry,

Why doesn’t Bob O’Hara post here any more? It is simply because he can’t. Ask Clive, he will confirm it.

He is far from the only one.

Why do you never venture to other sites where evolutionary biologists might dispute your assertion “that there is no evidence for macro evolution”?

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Clive Hayden
05/30/2009
6:59 pm

Alan Fox,

——”Jerry,
Why doesn’t Bob O’Hara post here any more? It is simply because he can’t. Ask Clive, he will confirm it.”

Why would you be asking Jerry a question that I made about moderation?

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Clive Hayden
06/01/2009
12:53 am

Diffaxial,

——”No one is going to observe anything corresponding to those definitional cow pies.”

——”I’m still waiting, your hard blowing notwithstanding.”

This is why I put you in moderation.

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serendipity
06/01/2009
2:40 am

Clive,

By what standard do Diffaxial’s comments merit the imposition of moderation if the following insults by Upright Biped (all of which come from a single comment) do not?
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So if you are, perhaps, a slow learner or have difficulty with modest conceptualizations… given your pompous certainty… I apologize for not being more empathetic to any special needs you might have… I simply assumed that you were just another materialist bigot… I am more than willing to slow down for you.

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Alan Fox
06/01/2009
10:34 am

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Clive Hayden
05/30/2009
6:59 pm wrote:

Alan Fox,

——”Jerry,
Why doesn’t Bob O’Hara post here any more? It is simply because he can’t. Ask Clive, he will confirm it.”

Why would you be asking Jerry a question that I made about moderation?

I was pointing out to Jerry, who seemed unaware of the fact, that Bob O’Hara no longer posts here because he is banned.

If you recall, you refused to rescind the ban, notwithstanding Barry Arrington’s new moderation policy because you said Bob had been rude about UD at AtBC. I searched, but couldn’t find a post of Bob’s that was insulting to individuals, and wondered if you could give an example. You refused, claiming to be too busy.

Hope that clarifies my previous comment.

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Clive Hayden
06/01/2009
6:09 pm

Alan Fox,

I didn’t claim to be too busy to answer you about Bob O’Hara. You can look through his threads over at AtBC same as I can.

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serendipity
06/01/2009
6:32 pm

Clive,

According to Barry Arrington, comments made on other blogs do not disqualify a person from commenting here at UD:
     
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Barry Arrington
03/13/2009
10:41 pm

CannuckianYankee writes:
“I’m just wondering Clive, Let’s say a person such as, oh, PZ Meyers wanted to post here and he kept his language cordial and non-insulting, would he be welcome to post? I would be interested in reading what he has to say without all the hyperbole that is a part of his language in his own blog. I might enjoy seeing how others here would challenge him.”

I’ll answer that. If PZ — or anyone else — came here and minded his manners, he would be more than welcome. I’m not holding my breath though, because PZ does not appear to be able to rise above adolescent name calling.

According to Barry, Bob O’H is “more than welcome” as long as he “minds his manners” here.

Are you overriding Barry’s stated policy? If so, then on what basis?

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serendipity,

The moderation policy as stated by Barry is consistently being applied by me, for it pertains to the particular circumstances of what constitutes someone being “moderated” for someone who already posts here, or may come to post here anew. But there is a difference in what constitutes placing someone in “moderation” who already posts here freely, and what constitutes taking someone off the blacklisted list. In Bob O’Hara’s case, he’s not “moderated”, for he’s already been blacklisted in the past. I can re-examine whether he should be taken off the blacklisted status, which was not enumerated by Barry at all, notice. And on that score, what he said at AtBC tells me that I should not take him off the blacklisted status, for such disrespect would likely be perpetuated here. Notice, on this account of what constitutes taking someone off the blacklisted status, was not at all mentioned by Barry, thus, I am not inconsistent with the moderation policy.

As far as “moderating” Diffaxial, his comments did deserve a placement in moderation. You’re welcome to point me to others whom you feel deserve to also be placed in moderation status, and I will consider it.

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Clive Hayden writes:
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The moderation policy as stated by Barry is consistently being applied by me…But there is a difference in what constitutes placing someone in “moderation” who already posts here freely, and what constitutes taking someone off the blacklisted list. In Bob O’Hara’s case, he’s not “moderated”, for he’s already been blacklisted in the past.

Clive,

Barry’s stated moderation policy makes no such distinction:
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I’ll answer that. If PZ — or anyone else — came here and minded his manners, he would be more than welcome. I’m not holding my breath though, because PZ does not appear to be able to rise above adolescent name calling.

Note that “anyone else” is welcome. No qualification; no “unless they’ve been blacklisted”.
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And on that score, what he said at AtBC tells me that I should not take him off the blacklisted status, for such disrespect would likely be perpetuated here.

Your prognostications are irrelevant. The policy states that “anyone else” is “more than welcome”. It does not say “unless the moderator suspects that disrespect will ‘likely’ occur.”
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As far as “moderating” Diffaxial, his comments did deserve a placement in moderation.

If they did, then so did Upright Biped’s (and the comments of many others on this blog). Since you have evidently given the others the benefit of the doubt and left them out of moderation, I recommend that you equalize the situation by removing Diffaxial from moderation as well.

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serendipity,

——”Barry’s stated moderation policy makes no such distinction:”

Which was exactly my point, it doesn’t even speak to taking someone off the blacklisted list. Tell me, oh serendipity, what Barry’s criteria is for taking someone off that list who has already been banned? Hmmm?

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Clive writes:
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Which was exactly my point, it doesn’t even speak to taking someone off the blacklisted list.

Exactly. Instead, it says that “PZ — or anyone else” is “more than welcome”:
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I’ll answer that. If PZ — or anyone else — came here and minded his manners, he would be more than welcome.

Let me know when you’ve located the phrase “unless they have been blacklisted” in the passage above. I have been through it word by word and I’m quite sure that it’s not there.

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serendipity,

——”Let me know when you’ve located the phrase “unless they have been blacklisted” in the passage above. I have been through it word by word and I’m quite sure that it’s not there.”

Exactly right.

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I’m glad you agree. When will you be removing Bob O’H from the blacklist?

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serendipity,

——”I’m glad you agree. When will you be removing Bob O’H from the blacklist?”

Not until you explain what constitutes taking someone off the blacklist from Barry’s stated moderation policy.

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Clive,

Barry’s policy doesn’t mention people who are blacklisted. It also doesn’t mention Methodists, women and amputees.

By your faulty logic, you should conclude that Methodists, women and amputees aren’t welcome at UD.

Now do you see your mistake?

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Serendipity,

No, I don’t see a mistake because there is no mistake. Being an amputee, Methodist, or a woman is not what got ol’ Bob O’H blacklisted, and neither will being any of those things get him out of being blacklisted. I’m still waiting for your knowledge of what is required to remove someone from that list.

It's like talking to a rock.  A dishonest rock.


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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2009,20:03   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 03 2009,09:25)
Is Beelzebub one of us or someone new? PM me, you handsome devil!

Beelzebub has been out of the sock drawer for a week or so.

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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2009,18:36   

Cross-posted from the Uncommonly Dense thread for easier future access:
Quote (carlsonjok @ June 03 2009,18:07)
I restore to you the title King of Tard Miners.

From now on, I'm sleeping with the crown under my pillow.  Lest you would-be usurpers get any ideas, I offer the following to squelch your presumption. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

Name                           Tenure               "Reason" for Bannination
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keiths                  11/29/05 -  1/09/06   Quoted Dembski, Behe and Johnson contradicting DaveScot
bradcliffe1              1/12/06 -  1/14/06   Offered "inflatable possum suit" product idea to W. Dembski for his Evolve Yourself, Inc.
woctor                   1/15/06 -  1/19/06   "Accidental" server glitch destroys my comments, then banned for reposting DaveScot's threat to PT
watchmaker               1/24/06 -  2/01/06   Silent bannination  
valerie                  2/06/06 -  3/07/06   Explained to DaveScot that individual photons do not have a blackbody temperature
woody                    3/09/06 -  3/12/06   Stated that P. Nelson's YEC worldview was profoundly threatened by scientific evidence for an old universe
hypermoderate            4/28/06 -  5/12/06   Demonstrated the circularity of CSI to DaveScot
zapatero                 6/07/06 -  8/15/06   Silent bannination  
sophophile               8/18/06 -  8/22/06   Turned Dembski's question back on him and asked for evidence of ID
Karl Pfluger             9/03/06 - 10/04/06   Corrected DaveScot's uninformed blather on microprocessor modeling at the transistor level
                           10/06 -     6/08   The Telic Thoughts Era
                            7/08 -    10/08   Hiatus
Turdus migratorius            stillborn       It seems the scientific illiterates at UD thought this name was scatalogical and were too stupid to check
ribczynski              11/18/08 - 12/21/08   Hurt Clive's feewings by calling him smarmy at AtBC and refusing to submit to a double standard of moderation
                            1/09 -     3/09   Hiatus
skeech & skeech plus     4/06/09 -  4/06/09   Silent bannination
mauka                    3/25/09 -  4/26/09   Silent bannination for challenging Barry's moderation double standards            
beelzebub                5/03/09 -  5/28/09   Advised Clive to put down the Lewis and Chesterton and pick up a newspaper
serendipity              5/29/09 -  6/02/09   Banned for challenging Clive's moderation double standards and for being keiths


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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2009,02:34   

Denyse is feeling her oats:
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O'Leary
06/06/2009
2:14 am

djmullen: You wrote “You’re probably upset that the article points out that, “relieve his necessities if required”, may be a homosexual reference. You may be upset by that, but you shouldn’t be surprised.”

Mullen, if you try any more amateur Freudianism about me, I will ban you from this list.


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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
KCdgw



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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2009,13:44   

Saved in case of deletion:

Dave Wisker
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Clive,
Ignoring what I wrote supporting it and implying I am just repeating the same sentence undermines the credibility of your point dramatically.


KC

Edited by KCdgw on June 19 2009,13:44

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2009,18:53   

Clive
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JayM,

I won’t tolerate baby talk. You’re presence here has been one of deceit the entire time, and I’m done with letting you have the opportunity to continue.

The offending comment:
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Clive, baby, if I wanted to fool someone I’d go to a venue where that poses an actual challenge.

Now how about addressing the substance of my posts above?
Link

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2009,18:55   

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You’re presence here has been one of deceit the entire time


ID in a nutshell.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2009,00:58   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 26 2009,18:55)
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You’re presence here has been one of deceit the entire time


ID in a nutshell.

Hey, it passes spell check.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2009,02:33   

In other UD related news...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090626/ap_on_fe_st/us_odd_cheetos_assault

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2009,18:44   

Ack!  I forgot to add this after posting in the UD thread the other day:


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Bannination Alert!

So, Clive has been getting pissy at JayM for being unsupportive and not validating enough:

   
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Clive Hayden

06/26/2009

2:09 pm

JayM,

——”I don’t argue against ID, Clive, I argue against poor arguments from ID supporters. That’s far more supportive of the eventual goal of making ID credible than is participating in an echo chamber where criticism of people on “our side” is strongly discouraged.”

You never have any arguments in favor of ID. Never. All I ever see from you are arguments against ID. It doesn’t matter that you posit them in terms of “constructive criticism” and “just wanting to help”. If you really want to help, then make some of your own arguments in favor of ID, instead of always criticizing others who make actual ID arguments. Otherwise, your pretense is exposed.


Regardless of whether JayM is legit, Clive is avoiding a serious problem: exactly what arguments can be marshaled in favor of ID?  Other than all the ones that have been utterly discredited as pseudoscientific, woo-infused bullshit, that is.

But Clive does have a point, even if he lacks the vocabulary best suited to expressing it:  JayM could very well be an ID concern troll.  Of course, the irony is that ID and UD would be infinitely better served by a single concern troll than it is by every "supportive" poster on UD put together and JayM seems to get this:
   
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You, too, are part of the problem. Real scientists debate the issues with each other. Here at UD, you show more concern over loyalty to the cause than to the content of the discussions.

If you spent more time policing the quality and accuracy of the posts by some of the regulars here, rather than in questioning the motives of those who are actually interested in making real progress, UD might fulfill its potential as a forum for serious discussion of intelligent design.


Surprisingly, Clive ignored that open provocation (DaveTard he is not, to the detriment of us all :( ) and contented himself with a rather anemic "Are too!" response which JayM found amusing:

   
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JayM

06/26/2009

6:32 pm

Clive Hayden @488

       You’re assuming too much, Clive. I started posting here because I got tired of hearing the old “ID says nothing about the nature of the designer” dodge. That and similar arguments from ID supporters who significantly overstate the case for ID, as it stands now, pose a major problem for those of us who want to treat ID as science.

   I’m not assuming too much. You’re not fooling anyone.

Clive, baby, if I wanted to fool someone I’d go to a venue where that poses an actual challenge.

Now how about addressing the substance of my posts above?


Oh snap!  

Sadly that "snap" was actually the sound of fracturing camel spine.  JayM is now an ex-poster:
   
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Clive Hayden

06/26/2009

6:43 pm

JayM,

I won’t tolerate baby talk. You’re presence here has been one of deceit the entire time, and I’m done with letting you have the opportunity to continue.


Clive Hayden [insert gratuitous reverb here]:  Don't call him "baby" if you're a dude. That's gay, and insufficiently supportive of the ID cause.

Clive Hayden:  He'll make weak puns at you and won't let you post at UD anymore.  

Clive Hayden: Not so much the Wielder of The Ban-Hammer as he is the Largely Ineffectual Brandisher of the Hollow Plastic Whack-a-Mole Mallet.  

Clive Hayden: Ghost Hunter.  ID Supporter.

(edited for minor corrections)


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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
GCUGreyArea



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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2009,03:56   

I have a feeling that Excession has been banned, or at the very least been put on moderation, never to return.
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Clive Hayden
07/01/2009
4:54 pm

Excession,

Are you trying to vilify me? I don’t want that website linked, not because it exposes a moderation policy, but because most of those people have been banned, and I do not want to give them an audience here. You’re welcome to join them if you want, just keep up your tactics.

   
didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2009,13:30   

A rare case of self-bannination:
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ScottAndrews

07/01/2009

7:49 am

I’ve decided to stop posting on this thread and this forum. It’s the nature of this type of “discussion” between entrenched positions to sometimes turn negative, bordering on hostile. I point a finger back at myself when I say that, but either way it’s something I shouldn’t engage in.
I encourage those who know how to keep a discussion civil and constructive to do so, and not be swayed when lesser people try to hijack the debate for the amusement of provoking a reaction. As for the those, perhaps you serve some useful purpose in your real lives and this is just your ugly side, one of which we all have.
Personally, I shouldn’t be taking time from other pursuits to engage in this, and I don’t feel good after arguing that much.
I’m describing mostly myself, not this forum. I think UD is great, and I’ll continue to read it. But if I’m tempted to open my mouth I’ll have to ask Clive to ban me.
(Sorry for interrupting this thread with my irrelevant personal statement.)


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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2009,13:37   

Is Nnoel banned? I thought I saw a "Goodbye" from Clive.

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2009,13:39   

Quote (didymos @ July 03 2009,14:30)
A rare case of self-bannination:
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ScottAndrews

07/01/2009

7:49 am

I’ve decided to stop posting on this thread and this forum. It’s the nature of this type of “discussion” between entrenched positions to sometimes turn negative, bordering on hostile. I point a finger back at myself when I say that, but either way it’s something I shouldn’t engage in.
I encourage those who know how to keep a discussion civil and constructive to do so, and not be swayed when lesser people try to hijack the debate for the amusement of provoking a reaction. As for the those, perhaps you serve some useful purpose in your real lives and this is just your ugly side, one of which we all have.
Personally, I shouldn’t be taking time from other pursuits to engage in this, and I don’t feel good after arguing that much.
I’m describing mostly myself, not this forum. I think UD is great, and I’ll continue to read it. But if I’m tempted to open my mouth I’ll have to ask Clive to ban me.
(Sorry for interrupting this thread with my irrelevant personal statement.)

Too bad about Scott. He started out posting reasonable, if somewhat condescending comments. We'll see if he can stay away or if this turns into a frilly shirted nadios!

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2009,13:43   

Nnoel iis nno mmore:
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Clive Hayden

07/02/2009

2:25 pm

Nnoel,

——”If you cannot imagine how these versus could be used as evidence of a flat earth in the centre of the universe, then you have no imagination.”

You would certainly need a lot of imagination to see it your way.

——”In light of the above quote from you, I accuse you of LYING Barb, I am calling you a LIAR! Flat out, demanding that you tell the truth, or stand up as THE ULTIMATE source of all knowledge on the stuff you claim to KNOW!”

Goodbye.


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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2009,13:52   

Clivebaby is....THE ADMONISHER:
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Clive Hayden

07/02/2009

2:23 pm

pkettley,

Be respectful, I’ll only tell you this once. Don’t deride others here.


I somehow doubt StephenB or Gordon are being held to the same standard of behavior. I guess I'm just being selectively hyperskeptical, though.  Still...

OK, Cliveykins, you like teh quotes, so I'll give you some:
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We ought to see far enough into a hypocrite to see even his sincerity. -- G.K Chesterton


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Not to be, but to seem, virtuous -- it is a formula whose utility we all discovered in the nursery. -- C. S. Lewis


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But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. -- Some 1st Century Jewish Guy


This one is excellent advice for ID as a whole:

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Enough had been thought, and said, and felt, and imagined. It was about time that something should be done. -- C.S. Lewis


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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2009,14:06   

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frilly shirted nadios!


hahahahahahahahahahahahah

he couldn't keep away.

clive protects Barb because that's who signs his paychecks?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2009,11:36   

NNoel finally cracked  
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Clive Hayden

07/02/2009

2:25 pm

Nnoel,

——”If you cannot imagine how these versus could be used as evidence of a flat earth in the centre of the universe, then you have no imagination.”

You would certainly need a lot of imagination to see it your way.

——”In light of the above quote from you, I accuse you of LYING Barb, I am calling you a LIAR! Flat out, demanding that you tell the truth, or stand up as THE ULTIMATE source of all knowledge on the stuff you claim to KNOW!”

Goodbye.


Followed, 26 minutes later, by
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Barb

07/02/2009

2:51 pm

Nnoel, I thought you were gone. Guess not.

Guess not so.

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2009,02:58   

Alan Fox has been sent to his room:
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Clive Hayden

07/05/2009

12:43 am

Alan Fox,

——”David, stop baiting Gil. Just because he is not up to your intellectual level is no reason to take pot-shots. We don’t want him to flounce out again, do we?”

I’m debating whether to just moderate you or ban you. As it stands right now, you’re only moderated. I’ll check your upcoming comments, and may decide to ban you outright, but at the very least, I doubt you’ll get out of moderation anytime soon. If you apologize to Gil, I may consider taking you out of moderation, but it better sound sincere.


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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2009,12:36   

Clive Hayden needs a slap in the Chestertons.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2009,17:27   

Clive could also star in a new comedy series...

Fawlty Powers - The weekly challenges of a mentalty challenged Baninator.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2009,01:40   

I'm out of the loop. Who is clive?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPcDREaxsu8

like in Derek and Clive?

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When wished on the morning star
Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it
Look what it's done so far

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2009,10:37   

Has anyone fessed up to being Nnoel?

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