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'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank

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(Permalink) Posted: April 18 2006,17:30   

<quote>HaHa, see what happens when you get steamed up? </quote>

Dude, if you got "steamed up" from what *I* just said to you, then . . .  well . . . wow.  Just, wow.

You have no idea at all what you are in for.  Not the foggiest #### clue.

It is not going to be pretty.

'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank

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(Permalink) Posted: April 18 2006,17:30   

<quote>Possibly the seminar will enable some students enamored by the “teach the controversy” meme to see that there is no controversy, anymore than there is over “flat earth”.</quote>


Well, let's see . . . .


<quote>  Odd. I thought scientific disputes were “won or lost” on the basis of empirical evidence. My bad… </quote>



Looks like . . . . . Nope.

'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank

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(Permalink) Posted: April 18 2006,17:30   

<quote>I became a Quaker and a conscientious objector against the Vietnam War partly because I disagreed with statements like yours. And I became an evolutionary biologist because I valued facts and reasoned arguments more than opinions or political demagoguery. Clearly, you value the opposite.</quote>

Well, my naive friend, those IDers are going to mop the floor with you.  (shrug)

'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank

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(Permalink) Posted: April 18 2006,17:31   

<quote>Odd. I thought scientific disputes were “won or lost” on the basis of empirical evidence. </quote>

Right.  But, uh, ID/evolution is not a scientific dispute.

(sigh)  Like I said, the crashing naivete of some scientists just amazes me.

Kevin from nyc

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(Permalink) Posted: April 18 2006,17:37   

what is a "evolutionary psychologist?"

I really can't see that ID is worth teaching in school.  Can't you get enough of that stuff in church?

Anton Mates

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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,06:23   

<quote author="MartinM">
Dunesong: funny you should mention that, given that Psiaki also wrote this…
<quote>Behavioral sciences seem to have clear limits too. Why have we made huge progress on treating heart disease and minimal progress on treating mental disorders? One can’t help but wonder whether we are coming up against a limit of science. Of course, the people with a vested interest in the research and clinical treatment dollars associated with mental disorders will never admit that there are fundamental limits to their science, but the rest of the public suspects that they are not to be totally trusted on this matter.</quote></quote>
Maybe Psiaki's just bitter because his mental disorder was never successfully treated.

'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2006,15:24   

I'm going with "deceptive dishonest evasive cowardly blowhard".

J. Biggs

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2006,15:24   

Stupid is kind of harsh, I think willfully ignorant is more appropriate.

Rilke's Granddaughter

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,11:02   

Larry's back again.  Larry, won't you ever learn that your behavior is unethical?  And stupid?

W. Kevin Vicklund

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,11:02   

Hi Larry!  Still trying to advance the same arguments Colin destroyed on your blog (with a little help from moi)?

This is pure sock-puppetry, Tim.  It's either Larry himself (looks like it based on word choice and style) or someone voluntarily sock-puppetting for him by advancing the same arguments he has been trying to advance.  Either way...

ben

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,11:02   

<blockquote>It is very unethical of commenters here to attack Larry Fafarman by name when he is unable to defend himself here because he has been banned.</blockquote>There's nothing about the fact that you got banned from PT for repeated ethical violations--like coming back under a multitude of fake names like the present one--that makes it "unethical" to <b>refer</b> to the fact that it happened.  This reference is not an attack, it's a citation of known fact. Getting yourself banned doesn't make it wrong to talk about you.  Why would you even think that? If you wanted to be able to defend yourself, you should have followed the rules like everyone else.  There are a lot of other cranks here who manage to stay on for years without any banning becoming necessary.  You made you bed, now sleep in it.

See ya at the bathroom wall, schmuck.

Rilke's Granddaugther

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,11:02   

<quote author="Larry the unethical">Kevin, you have some nerve. You go over to Larry‘s blog and post freely, but when somebody tries to post Larry‘s ideas here, you try to have those ideas censored. You have no shame. The same goes for Rilke‘s Granddaughter.</quote> But it's not <i>someone</i> trying to post Larry's ideas here, Larry - it's the fact that <i>you</i> are posting your ideas here; in violation of the ban; using a technique that guarantees the ban will stay in place forever.

I admire your policy of not censoring comments on your blog; although you post as a sock-puppet over there as well, I notice.

You are unethical and remarkably stupid in your own interests.  Give it a rest, Larry.

Pizza Woman

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,11:02   

Sho' nuff does <b><i>whine</i></b> like that li'l Larry feller...

Kevin

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,11:02   

<quote>The new board members were elected for the sole purpose of getting rid of the ID policy and trying to eliminate or reduce the school district‘s financial liability in the lawsuit.</quote>

This is an utter fabrication. The elected candidates were part of the <url href="http://www.dovercares.org/">Dover CARES</url> slate, for whom the ID policy was just one of a number of issues and definitely not the most significant one.

<quote>Repeal of the ID policy in December would have put the Dover school district back in the same situation as hundreds or thousands of other school districts across the USA , i.e., no existing ID policy but the possibility of enactment of an ID policy in the future, so the Dover school district‘s situation would have no longer been special. Arguably, the “voluntary cessation“ doctrine should apply only where the plaintiff is uniquely threatened by the challenged action.</quote>

Isn't this kind of like saying that someone out on parole after committing manslaughter is no different from someone who's never committed a crime? Try telling a judge that!

ben

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,11:02   

It's hilarious that Larry refers to himself in the third person, as though to maintain the fiction that there is actually a unique individual calling himself Knucklehead Smiff, but then freely refers to the content of KS's post as "Larry's ideas."  Larry isn't even self-aware enough to realize that if he wanted the sock puppet to have even the slightest semblance of independence from Larry Fafarman, he would need to defend the ideas posted under KS' name as belonging to KS--as any normal person would in trying to carry off such a lame and dishonest deception.  

While the content of Larry's endless, pedantic and demonstrably incorrect ranting never fails to fail to be interesting, the psychology of this lonely, obsessive creep does hold a measure of undeniable fascination.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,11:05   

Hi Larry!

Douchebag.

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Betsy Markum

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,13:00   

I can't believe it, my co-worker just bought a car for $11703.  Isn't that crazy!

steve s

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,14:05   

every few times i come to PT, it hangs my browser up for 10 seconds doing god knows what

stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,14:16   

it would be useful to ask other PT visitors if they're getting this weird and annoying problem.

   
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,14:39   

Then start a "Problems with PT delivery" thread here.

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'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,17:21   

Hi there, Carol.  Long time no preach, eh?

Carol Clouser

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,17:21   

Hi there, Lenny. How have you been?

Quite frankly, there wasn't much of interest happening on PT lately.

You know very well that I do not preach. I persuade. I convince. Remember, I am not party to that religion that proslytizes.

Coin

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,17:21   

<quote author="Carol Clouser, internet street preacher">You know very well that I do not preach. I persuade. I convince. Remember, I am not party to that religion that proslytizes.</quote>
So: When <i>they</i> do it, it's proslytizing. When <i>I</i> do it, it's "persuading".

It seems Carol treats the definitions of words in English the same way she sees the definitions of words in Hebrew: as a very flexible sort of silly putty that can be used to cheat at arguments with.

Speaking of which, what the heck is an "over-killing"?

'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,17:21   

<quote>Hi there, Lenny. How have you been?</quote>


I've been just fine, Carol.  

<quote>Quite frankly, there wasn’t much of interest happening on PT lately.</quote>

Then why do you stay?


<quote>You know very well that I do not preach. </quote>


Riiiggggghhhhhttttttt.

Why are you here, then?  Book sales down?

<quote>I persuade. I convince.
</quote>


"I pinch".

'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,17:21   

<quote>I persuade. I convince.</quote>

Reaaaalllyyyyy.

Anyone here who has been persuaded or convinced by Carol, in the slightest amount whatseover, please raise your hand.

Gee, Carol, apparently you, uh, don't.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,17:21   

That is what I really don't get about Carol, that she claims to be Jewish, and comes in here preaching to the gentiles, trying to "persuade" us of the rightness of her narrow sectarianism, <i>and</i> of how it really only belongs to the Jews.  I'm guessing that the Jews she knows are really tired of her.

In NYC I was always happy to be able to tell proselytizing little Jewish boys that I am not Jewish.  One reason only:  they'd completely leave me alone and go bother some poor ethnic Semite who obviously didn't really want to be bothered any more than I did.  I'm sorry for the Jewish person, of course, but it's the ol' "at least I'm rid of the Jewish equivalent of JWs" idea.

On PT, though, we have preacher Carol blathering on about nonsense that we don't care about, alternately telling us that the Bible isn't really ours (so shut up already--most of us wouldn't claim it if we could), and that it is really correct about everything, so worthy of notice by, I guess, everyone.  She's either not Jewish, or she doesn't understand her own religion.

Btw, Carol, there is nothing at all new about the fact that "day" in Genesis can mean "period of time" or "era".  Jews know it, gentiles know it, and intelligent people recognize that "day" is meant in the first chapter from the context.  It sure reveals hubris for you to come on here telling people "what Hebrew really says," when it's old knowledge in both Xian and Jewish communities--and obviously outside of there as well.  

Well, there you are, I guess Carol is just one of those things that Jews have to put up with.  Because however annoying she is to the rest of us, at least she isn't speaking "for us" in her cluelessness.

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Reed A. Cartwright

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,17:21   

<b>I know this isn't a serious post, but can we please try to stay on topic?</b>

Andrew McClure

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,17:21   

<quote>I know this isn’t a serious post, but can we please try to stay on topic?</quote>

I'll do my best!

I never cease to be amazed, but not surprised, at how blind scientists are to their own prejudices. I have followed your paths of dealing with these prejudices and, as have many others, I have had my share of encounters with intellectual bigots. Within a week of my joining the staff at the <b>Judah Landa</b> <b>Judah Landa</b> Research Institute, my removal was called for by a sizable group of the research staff who had discovered (by doing a Google search) that in 2001-2-3 when I was at the <b>Judah Landa</b> Center, I had signed the Discovery Institute statement questioning Darwin’s theory of origins. The human resource department had the sense to inform the president that they could not fire me for beliefs that did not impact my job as head of <b>Judah Landa</b>. I have since then enjoyed many productive exchanges on the topic of ID and origins that have revealed a profound ignorance of the subject on the part of the staff. Most had never met a trained scientist that did not go along with the Darwinian dogma. Now after a typical seminar by an outside speaker we are able to discuss the passing references to evolution that are totally without proof or demonstrable mechanism but are inserted into talks to explain some incredibly complex and improbable cellular system.

Carol Clouser

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,17:21   

Glad to see that all is well at PT and that all the old hands are still ready as ever to emerge from the woodwork at the mere sighting of someone like myself.


Coin,

"Preaching" and "proslytizong" imply a one-sided presentation, whereas "persuading" and "convincing" are normally a consequence of a genuine give-and-take interaction between consenting adults.

By this standard, many of the vociferous anti-preaching characters here are themselves constantly preaching. Chief among them is the Good Rev. Lenny.

Moses

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,17:21   

<quote>Comment #100485

Posted by 'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank on May 11, 2006 09:15 PM (e)

Anyone here who has been persuaded or convinced by Carol, in the slightest amount whatseover, please raise your hand.

Gee, Carol, apparently you, uh, don’t.</quote>

I have.  She has persuaded me she's just another card-board cut-out who pontificates her "scholarly" knowledge while remaining vastly ignorant about the origins of her religion.  To face these issues would likely destroy her knowledge-based "faith" and cast her adrift on the seas of reality with no support.  And from here it'd get deeply psychological and I don't feel like it today.

And she's not the only one.  Dealing with the historical underpinnings of the Jewish faith has been problematic for Jews, Christians and Muslims.  The various Jewish divisions (orthodox, conservative, reform) are, to-date, are the best of the three evolved Ugartic-Pantheistic-Origin religions at recognizing that whole parts of their scriptures are just made-up or co-opted stories.  They're also much better at admitting how much re-writing went on to reconcile the not-very-similar religious beliefs of Judah and Israel.

OTOH, my experience is that most Christian & Islamic scholars, however, treat the origins their faith as radioactive.  While it's better than 100 years ago when talking about it could destroy your career, there is too much resistance to non-affirming study/interpretation of the many incredible strides in our understanding of the origins of the Jewish faith and its natural implications for Christianity and Islam.  i.e., denial will not be denied!

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