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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,11:37   

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Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,11:21)
You know, that science, scientists, and zealous science supporters are perfect and religious people suck. That pretty much covers most of what is ever said.


Oh for crying out loud! More lies? Is that all you can post, "Kris"? You are without a doubt dumber than a box of hammers.

But here...I'll give an out. Here's your chance to toss egg on my face: Find ONE POST...just one...where any PT poster who supports evolution - any one of us - has ever made the claim that science, or scientists, or zealous science supporters are perfect. Go for it.

Man, demanding evidence again.  WTF is with the science guys?

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Kris



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,11:39   

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Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 25 2011,07:18)
Does anyone remember this?

Put a Sock In It

     
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Arguments we’ve heard many times before and don’t want to hear again.

If you insist on boring us with them you won’t be with us for long.


I'm pretty darn light with the stick (despite being "boss around here" which I am not), but I must admit that I now see this page in a new light.  :p

I am also reminded of a book of scenes for actors that I read when I wanted to become an actor, in which one character repeated, essentially, "I hate you, you suck, you're horrible, blah, blah," and then the director quizzed the actress on why she showed no emotional nuance in the scene. The actress replied, "Well, my character hates his character!" and the director replied, "No - if that were true, you would have walked out on him by now."  :)

If you're not the boss around here then why did you say you were "going to end it"? Did you think that just because you spoke that I would vanish?






"Arguments we’ve heard many times before and don’t want to hear again. If you insist on boring us with them you won’t be with us for long."

It's funny that you quoted the words above. Obviously it hasn't occurred to you or a lot of other people here that everything any of you argue has been argued by you and others many, many, many times. Apparently you think that your arguments are fresh and profound but any argument you don't want to hear is redundant and boring. You sound just like some of the religious zealots you complain about for not wanting your same old arguments for the zillionth time. And you wonder why I call you hypocrites.

If you don't like their closed ears, maybe you should think about yours too. Maybe you should find a better way of getting your message across to the public and the powers that be (government). Nah, a different way might work and then you wouldn't have religious intrusions to hate and bitch about.

I just noticed a mistake in one of the sentences I wrote. It should be:

You sound just like some of the religious zealots you complain about for not wanting 'to hear' your same old arguments for the zillionth time.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,11:44   

shorter Kwis:  "you are"

i would like to see you get fist fucked by an octopus.

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,11:46   

Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,11:39)
I just noticed a mistake in one of the sentences I wrote.


Pity that you don't notice the important ones...

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khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,11:49   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Jan. 25 2011,12:44)
shorter Kwis:  "you are"

i would like to see you get fist fucked by an octopus.

They have fists?

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,11:49   

Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,17:21)
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 25 2011,08:53)
 
Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,15:57)
[SNIP]

It's funny that you quoted the words above. Obviously it hasn't occurred to you or a lot of other people here that everything any of you argue has been argued by you and others many, many, many times. Apparently you think that your arguments are fresh and profound but any argument you don't want to hear is redundant and boring.

[SNIP]

Ok sweetie, I'll bite. Which areguments are these then? Please give details and be as specific as possibl. Now I know you've had trouble with that in the past, but try very hard and you might just make it.

Louis

"Which areguments are these then?" (sic)

The ones you and most other people here and on Panda's Thumb, Pharyngula, etc. keep making over and over and over and over and over and over and over and .......

You know, that science, scientists, and zealous science supporters are perfect and religious people suck. That pretty much covers most of what is ever said.

Oh shit did I make a typo? Well done for spotting it, thanks Kris.

Now, those arguments were what precisely? Details, old bean, I crave details.

Louis

P.S. I'm not sure I've ever said (or ever would say) that scientists are perfect (I am one, I work, and have worked with lots of them, neither they, not I, am perfect). Same goes for zealous science supporters. But hey. You're infantile projections, distortions and false equivalences are really all you have aren't they? Shit, you're even funnier than I thought!

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,11:51   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 25 2011,17:23)
Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,11:21)
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 25 2011,08:53)
   
Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,15:57)
[SNIP]

It's funny that you quoted the words above. Obviously it hasn't occurred to you or a lot of other people here that everything any of you argue has been argued by you and others many, many, many times. Apparently you think that your arguments are fresh and profound but any argument you don't want to hear is redundant and boring.

[SNIP]

Ok sweetie, I'll bite. Which areguments are these then? Please give details and be as specific as possibl. Now I know you've had trouble with that in the past, but try very hard and you might just make it.

Louis

"Which areguments are these then?" (sic)

The ones you and most other people here and on Panda's Thumb, Pharyngula, etc. keep making over and over and over and over and over and over and over and .......

You know, that science, scientists, and zealous science supporters are perfect and religious people suck. That pretty much covers most of what is ever said.

In other words, you can't support your own argument.

Match point.

Didn't that come our way a loooooooooong while ago?

Louis

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Kris



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,11:55   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 25 2011,09:08)
Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,10:55)
Well, you could rise above all this and present your arguments, present your evidence and if the religious zealots don't like it, then you can go away with pride that you tried your best.

Ah, that's the thing though.

A zealot cannot be convinced via rational argument.

A scientist can be convinced via rational argument.

So if argument does not work with religious zealots then what? Stand mute as they build temples to ignorance like the Creation Museum?

That might work for you, but some people won't stand idly by when ignorance is promoted as knowledge.

Why do you care if they build a creation museum? If few to no people were interested in what's in the creation museum, it wouldn't stay open for long. You must think that enough people will be interested to keep it open. What does that tell you?

Here, let me give you some hints: Religious beliefs are popular. More popular than science. Most people believe in a God-like creator. Religions are better marketers than science.

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The partisan, when he is engaged in a dispute, cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions. Plato

  
Kris



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,11:57   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 25 2011,09:44)
shorter Kwis:  "you are"

i would like to see you get fist fucked by an octopus.

You're a great spokesman for science. Not.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,12:01   

Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,17:57)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 25 2011,09:44)
shorter Kwis:  "you are"

i would like to see you get fist fucked by an octopus.

You're a great spokesman for science. Not.

Who said he was a spokesman for science? What are you a spokesman for, Kris? And are you good at it? Why do you never answer serious questions and instead tone troll all the time?

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,12:03   

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Why do you care if they build a creation museum? If few to no people were interested in what's in the creation museum, it wouldn't stay open for long. You must think that enough people will be interested to keep it open. What does that tell you?


Man (?), are you fucking stupid! You don't give a fuck about science, you are nothing more than a puny little conern troll. You are accusing the scientific community and its supporters of giving a bad image of science, yet you don't really care if some religious nutjob builds a waky museum and passes it as a science exhibit.

Go fuck yourself with a complete set of ornamental silver candle-holders! With extra pebbles for lubrification!

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"I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,12:06   

Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,17:55)
[SNIP]

Here, let me give you some hints: Religious beliefs are popular. More popular than science. Most people believe in a God-like creator. Religions are better marketers than science.

So your argument runs roughly thus:

Given

1) "Religious beliefs are popular. More popular than science. Most people believe in a God-like creator.

Therefore

2) "Religions are better marketers than science."

So it's a binary choice is it? Science or religion? Evidence needed. Religion is more popular than science? How? Where? In what way? Are they even competing for the same turf? Explain, evidence and elaboration very much needed. This all somehow means that religion is doing something right and science is doing something wrong in terms of marketing? Citation, evidence and elaboration needed quite badly indeed.

I think you might be a little confused, Kris. Elaborate, explain your position. Hint: this is not the same as continually asserting it without basis.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,12:07   

Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,12:57)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 25 2011,09:44)
shorter Kwis:  "you are"

i would like to see you get fist fucked by an octopus.

You're a great spokesman for science. Not.

science doesn't have anything to do with you being a shit stain, Kwis.

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,12:08   

Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,11:55)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 25 2011,09:08)
 
Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,10:55)
Well, you could rise above all this and present your arguments, present your evidence and if the religious zealots don't like it, then you can go away with pride that you tried your best.

Ah, that's the thing though.

A zealot cannot be convinced via rational argument.

A scientist can be convinced via rational argument.

So if argument does not work with religious zealots then what? Stand mute as they build temples to ignorance like the Creation Museum?

That might work for you, but some people won't stand idly by when ignorance is promoted as knowledge.

Why do you care if they build a creation museum? If few to no people were interested in what's in the creation museum, it wouldn't stay open for long. You must think that enough people will be interested to keep it open. What does that tell you?

Here, let me give you some hints: Religious beliefs are popular. More popular than science. Most people believe in a God-like creator. Religions are better marketers than science.

Kris, if you think it's OK to build a 'museum' using government funds for support and infrastructure that highlights something that is fundamentally wrong... then you must be a creationist.

Science isn't about personal opinion.  It's about reality.  If you allow people to think (like you do) that science is all about opinion, then you are setting US kids up to fail at life (like... well... you know).

Teaching kids that it's OK to believe things that aren't real and that have a real impact on our world is LYING. I know you don't care because you do it all the time with no pangs of conscious.  

To prove it, find one post in this entire forum where a pro-science (not you) regular said that scientists are perfect.  Go ahead.  I'll wait.

While you're at it, provide evidence that I'm a hypocrite.  Show me the posts where I said one thing and then said the opposite.  What do you want to bet that you don't?  I'll let everyone else be the judge of whether you are correct or not.

You are the one complaining about science, but you don't want to talk about it.  You just want to whine about how mean we are.

You want to hear about mean?  Did you know that there is only one person* on this planet who lost their job solely due to the evolution/creationism debate?  And that one person was a science supporter who lost her job because she sent an e-mail saying the Dr. Forrest was going to be speaking at that people may want to attend.  That sound fair to you?

How about this... if a teacher attempts to teach evolution in class, then he gets censured, a black mark in his book, etc for it.  Even after he explains that evolution is a state standard.  But other teachers can have students pray in class with no effects.  Do you know what that is?  It's illegal.  Sound fair to you?

How about this... what do you think would happen if a Muslim wanted to build a creation museum in Kentucky?  Do you think that he would get state support or state built infrastructure improvements?  Do you know what that is?  It's illegal.  Sound fair to you?

There are so many things wrong with the things you say it's really hard to know where to start.  You don't get it... you never will... so just walk away.  Tell all your friends how you bearded the lion in the den and were victorious.  Whatever... just leave.

* No Sternberg doesn't count, Gaskill doesn't count.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,12:13   

Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,17:55)
[SNIP]

Why do you care if they build a creation museum?

[SNIP]

I for one don't give a rat's arse. Let them fleece the rubes...erm...I mean take donations from their congregations and build their Mammon-Loving Monument to Moronity.

Don't do it with government money, don't deliberately encourage schools to tour there, in fact prevent school science classes from having tours there (religious studies class/history class/philosophy class etc = different matter), don't make it a tax exempt institution and in no other way fund or support it from the public purse, then fine! It neither picks my purse nor breaks my leg as someone fairly famous to you Yanks once said.

I've got no problem with what these folks believe or what they do with their money, go to it with my blessing sayeth I.

But if they want their demonstrably false, demonstrably anti-science claims taught AS SCIENCE in SCIENCE CLASS then I will oppose them. If they want the government to support their religious claims with tax breaks and money then I will oppose them. Clear?

Louis

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Dale_Husband



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,20:23   

[quote=Kris,Jan. 25 2011,10:55][/quote]
Kris, can you show where anyone posted YOUR phone number, home address, or anything else you consider personal info here or in PT? Can you show where anyone threaten to call your wife, or any other relative of yours, and tell him or her lies about you?

Because you are indeed a liar, Kris, and you have been lying outright and constantly since you barged into here and possibly since you showed up in PT back in late November. You constantly hold on (at least in public) to those pathetic, baseless delusions about yourself, about science, and about us and spit them out over and over for no other reason than because you think you can get away with it.

"Right back at you." is for grade school punks who are too stupid to come up with a credible argument.

It is not our responsibility to treat you nice when you keep acting like a total @$$hole. If you had come to us nearly three months ago with a different attitude (like that of flowersfriend, to be precise), you'd still be posting in PT now and some of us might even consider you a friend. But you blew it and we all saw you crash and burn. And you have not learned a single thing. In you mind, you have all the answers and are superior to the rest of us. Well, you don't and you are not.

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You keep proving my point about what hypocrites you are.

You said: "If you want to really affect change, then meeting people halfway, being tactful, polite, and arguing with logic and evidence is the best way to go."

You might want to actually do that then. Most of the people on this site, Panda's Thumb, Pharyngula, etc., are about as far from that as it's possible to be.

You said; "This is 100% about how you act."

Actually, it's 100% about how you and most others here act, and many of you have been doing it for years. Your words are here for anyone to see ya know, whether they ever respond to you or not. Remember what I said about a billboard in your front yard?

You said: "You could take the high road, but you haven't yet. I suspect it's because you have no argument, you just want to whine.  So far, you have doing nothing to show my assumptions about you are false."

Right back at you.

You said: "There's a big difference between what YOU think and reality."

Right back at you.

You said: "We don't like to have thousands of scientists and researchers who have devoted their lifes to learning and knowledge be told that they can't do their work anymore by a 2-bit internet troll."

Where did I say or even imply that scientists can't do their work anymore?

You said: "How you act is up to you."

Right back at you.

You said: "You could rise above all this and present your arguments, present your evidence and if we don't like it, then you can go away with pride that you tried your best."

Well, you could rise above all this and present your arguments, present your evidence and if the religious zealots don't like it, then you can go away with pride that you tried your best.

By the way, my pride is perfectly intact, no matter what happens here.


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Kris



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,22:56   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 25 2011,10:08)
Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,11:55)
 
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 25 2011,09:08)
   
Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,10:55)
Well, you could rise above all this and present your arguments, present your evidence and if the religious zealots don't like it, then you can go away with pride that you tried your best.

Ah, that's the thing though.

A zealot cannot be convinced via rational argument.

A scientist can be convinced via rational argument.

So if argument does not work with religious zealots then what? Stand mute as they build temples to ignorance like the Creation Museum?

That might work for you, but some people won't stand idly by when ignorance is promoted as knowledge.

Why do you care if they build a creation museum? If few to no people were interested in what's in the creation museum, it wouldn't stay open for long. You must think that enough people will be interested to keep it open. What does that tell you?

Here, let me give you some hints: Religious beliefs are popular. More popular than science. Most people believe in a God-like creator. Religions are better marketers than science.

Kris, if you think it's OK to build a 'museum' using government funds for support and infrastructure that highlights something that is fundamentally wrong... then you must be a creationist.

Science isn't about personal opinion.  It's about reality.  If you allow people to think (like you do) that science is all about opinion, then you are setting US kids up to fail at life (like... well... you know).

Teaching kids that it's OK to believe things that aren't real and that have a real impact on our world is LYING. I know you don't care because you do it all the time with no pangs of conscious.  

To prove it, find one post in this entire forum where a pro-science (not you) regular said that scientists are perfect.  Go ahead.  I'll wait.

While you're at it, provide evidence that I'm a hypocrite.  Show me the posts where I said one thing and then said the opposite.  What do you want to bet that you don't?  I'll let everyone else be the judge of whether you are correct or not.

You are the one complaining about science, but you don't want to talk about it.  You just want to whine about how mean we are.

You want to hear about mean?  Did you know that there is only one person* on this planet who lost their job solely due to the evolution/creationism debate?  And that one person was a science supporter who lost her job because she sent an e-mail saying the Dr. Forrest was going to be speaking at that people may want to attend.  That sound fair to you?

How about this... if a teacher attempts to teach evolution in class, then he gets censured, a black mark in his book, etc for it.  Even after he explains that evolution is a state standard.  But other teachers can have students pray in class with no effects.  Do you know what that is?  It's illegal.  Sound fair to you?

How about this... what do you think would happen if a Muslim wanted to build a creation museum in Kentucky?  Do you think that he would get state support or state built infrastructure improvements?  Do you know what that is?  It's illegal.  Sound fair to you?

There are so many things wrong with the things you say it's really hard to know where to start.  You don't get it... you never will... so just walk away.  Tell all your friends how you bearded the lion in the den and were victorious.  Whatever... just leave.

* No Sternberg doesn't count, Gaskill doesn't count.

"Stand mute as they build temples to ignorance like the Creation Museum?"

Those are the words that were said about the creation museum, and those are the words I responded to. Nothing was said about funding the museum with government money or tax breaks. Nothing. I don't condone any government money being used for religious things. In fact, I strongly feel that religious organizations/churches should be taxed just like anyone else.

No matter what I say, you people are going to twist it into something else. The only thing you will tolerate is an echo of what you say and believe. You're more like your enemies than you realize.

You people are obsessed. You are consumed by your pathological hatred of religion. It controls every moment of your lives. It controls every thought you have. It is who you are, and what you do. It has imprisoned you. You are as much a slave to your obsession as religious zealots are to theirs, if not more so.

Step out into nature. Breathe in the fresh air. Expand your horizons. It will do you good.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2011,23:46   

You say all that, yet you bashed me for being a Unitarian Universalist, and thus having a religious affiliation and associating freely with religious people. How it is that my example debunks your own claim, yet you attack me too? Or do you EVER think before you spit more venom?

You are an inconsistent fraud, of course.

Here's another entry from that blog of mine you are so obsessed with. Seems you missed this:

   
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http://circleh.wordpress.com/2010....ristian

For the record, I am very critical of the Christian religion. But my slamming it ends when I am dealing with a Christian who is open-minded enough to befriend and respect me in spite of my hostility towards his religion. Such a person, in turn, earns my respect. I only do battle with bigots among the Christians, not Christians in general. If I hated all Christians, I wouldn’t be a Unitarian Universalist (UU). UUs, even those that reject Christianity, are still Protestants. If not for the Protestant movement in Christianity, UUs as a denomination wouldn’t exist.

I spent one Sunday talking  with a young member of my UU church. She told me about how she visited a Baptist church while wearing a necklace with a rainbow on it, the rainbow being a symbol of gay rights. She was then confronted by the church’s pastor who demanded why she wore such a necklace. The girl then said that she liked other girls, which caused the pastor to give her a lengthy diatribe about how she was headed for hell for being gay.

Later, the UU girl brought to her church a Christian girl who was wearing a cross around her neck. The Christian was confronted by an old UU man who was quite hostile to her and an argument erupted. The UU girl was very embarrassed.

I think that old man should have faced some sort of punishment for his rude behavior. While many people, including myself, regard UU churches as a refuge from Christian fundamentalism, that does not mean we can lable all non-UU Christians as members of the “enemy”. Such an attitude never fails to disgust me. And when a UU teenager is smart enough to recognize the hypocrisy of one of her own elders, that actually gives me hope that the next generation of UUs will be more enlightened and pull UUs in general away from any form of fanaticism, including that of atheists and other anti-Christians. That simply has no place among the UUs!



Kris lied again when he said:
   
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"Stand mute as they build temples to ignorance like the Creation Museum?"

Those are the words that were said about the creation museum, and those are the words I responded to. Nothing was said about funding the museum with government money or tax breaks. Nothing. I don't condone any government money being used for religious things. In fact, I strongly feel that religious organizations/churches should be taxed just like anyone else.

No matter what I say, you people are going to twist it into something else. The only thing you will tolerate is an echo of what you say and believe. You're more like your enemies than you realize.

You people are obsessed. You are consumed by your pathological hatred of religion. It controls every moment of your lives. It controls every thought you have. It is who you are, and what you do. It has imprisoned you. You are as much a slave to your obsession as religious zealots are to theirs, if not more so.

Step out into nature. Breathe in the fresh air. Expand your horizons. It will do you good.


That's exactly how a religious fanatic talks, of course.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2011,00:05   

Kris, if you want to meet someone who thinks like you do but isn't nearly as batshit about it, talk to this guy:

paradigmperipheral@gmail.com

They seemed really deep into ID when they ravaged the blog "quintessence of dust." Goes by the name of jeff snipes or something. You'll never guess how I got their email... :D

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2011,03:13   

Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,11:55)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 25 2011,09:08)
 
Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,10:55)
Well, you could rise above all this and present your arguments, present your evidence and if the religious zealots don't like it, then you can go away with pride that you tried your best.

Ah, that's the thing though.

A zealot cannot be convinced via rational argument.

A scientist can be convinced via rational argument.

So if argument does not work with religious zealots then what? Stand mute as they build temples to ignorance like the Creation Museum?

That might work for you, but some people won't stand idly by when ignorance is promoted as knowledge.

Why do you care if they build a creation museum? If few to no people were interested in what's in the creation museum, it wouldn't stay open for long. You must think that enough people will be interested to keep it open. What does that tell you?

Here, let me give you some hints: Religious beliefs are popular. More popular than science. Most people believe in a God-like creator. Religions are better marketers than science.

And yet all those people go home, watch their TV and eat their processed dinner.

And their children grow up knowing that science makes it all possible and that their parents have some rather funny ideas that they certainly won't be thinking.

I don't expect the world to change all at once, but it's enough to know that each subsequent generation is more secular then the one before. And provably so.

And if rational people can help speed that process then all the better.

Note I'm not saying that all theists==irrational. But those who distort reality (i.e. science) in favour and to promote a worldview out of a child's story book, like the Ark story, and teach that to children should be opposed in every peaceful way possible.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2011,10:44   

{Sniffs the air}

No Kris today? He must be preparing the reasoning and evidence behind his wild claims and asinine arguments. I hope so because otherwise he'd just be a yappy little shithead who trolls websites for kicks by endlessly repeating the identical, erroneous horseshit he came in peddling at the start.

And no one would want that.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2011,13:32   

Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,11:55)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 25 2011,09:08)
 
Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,10:55)
Well, you could rise above all this and present your arguments, present your evidence and if the religious zealots don't like it, then you can go away with pride that you tried your best.

Ah, that's the thing though.

A zealot cannot be convinced via rational argument.

A scientist can be convinced via rational argument.

So if argument does not work with religious zealots then what? Stand mute as they build temples to ignorance like the Creation Museum?

That might work for you, but some people won't stand idly by when ignorance is promoted as knowledge.

Why do you care if they build a creation museum? If few to no people were interested in what's in the creation museum, it wouldn't stay open for long. You must think that enough people will be interested to keep it open. What does that tell you?

Here, let me give you some hints: Religious beliefs are popular. More popular than science. Most people believe in a God-like creator. Religions are better marketers than science.

What about porn?  Lots and lots of people are interested in porn--enough people to keep just a handful of internet sites, theatres, and street corners open.  Are you in favor of advancing the cause of porn?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2011,14:50   

Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,09:55)
Why do you care if they build a creation museum? If few to no people were interested in what's in the creation museum, it wouldn't stay open for long. You must think that enough people will be interested to keep it open. What does that tell you?

Let me give you a hint: what is it that someone once said was "born every minute"?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2011,04:28   

Quote (blipey @ Jan. 26 2011,19:32)
Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,11:55)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 25 2011,09:08)
 
Quote (Kris @ Jan. 25 2011,10:55)
Well, you could rise above all this and present your arguments, present your evidence and if the religious zealots don't like it, then you can go away with pride that you tried your best.

Ah, that's the thing though.

A zealot cannot be convinced via rational argument.

A scientist can be convinced via rational argument.

So if argument does not work with religious zealots then what? Stand mute as they build temples to ignorance like the Creation Museum?

That might work for you, but some people won't stand idly by when ignorance is promoted as knowledge.

Why do you care if they build a creation museum? If few to no people were interested in what's in the creation museum, it wouldn't stay open for long. You must think that enough people will be interested to keep it open. What does that tell you?

Here, let me give you some hints: Religious beliefs are popular. More popular than science. Most people believe in a God-like creator. Religions are better marketers than science.

What about porn?  Lots and lots of people are interested in porn--enough people to keep just a handful of internet sites, theatres, and street corners open.  Are you in favor of advancing the cause of porn?

I wish to advance the cause of porn. How do I go about this? Can I subscribe to your newsletter?

Louis

P.S. I was not going to comment on this hilarious post from Blipey. I lasted a whole 12 hours, but dammit, comedy porn comments...what's not to like?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2011,09:28   

Quote (Louis @ Jan. 27 2011,04:28)
{fluff snipped}

I wish to advance the cause of porn. How do I go about this? Can I subscribe to your newsletter?


25 euros / month.  Preferably drawn directly from your bank account (not the joint one) by me with the number you supply.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2011,10:38   

Quote (blipey @ Jan. 27 2011,15:28)
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 27 2011,04:28)
{fluff snipped}

I wish to advance the cause of porn. How do I go about this? Can I subscribe to your newsletter?


25 euros / month.  Preferably drawn directly from your bank account (not the joint one) by me with the number you supply.

25 Euros? You mean one percent of my current monthly spend?* I'm in!

Louis

* This is for FTK, because you know, we atheists alllll love the porn. Constantly. Look at nothing else. It's part of out "lifestyle" that involves being sub-human serial killers who just love aborting a foetus and callously looking at photos of it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2011,10:45   

if you are looking callously use the other hand.  or some lotion

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2011,10:57   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Jan. 27 2011,16:45)
if you are looking callously use the other hand.  or some lotion

All week. Here. Veal. Waitress. On?

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2011,12:00   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Jan. 27 2011,11:45)
if you are looking callously use the other hand.  or some lotion

Aw, c'mon, now.  Louis doesn't need to use that stuff.  He's married, you know, and...oh...wait...nevermind.

Erm, as you were...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2011,12:16   

Quote (Wolfhound @ Jan. 27 2011,12:00)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 27 2011,11:45)
if you are looking callously use the other hand.  or some lotion

Aw, c'mon, now.  Louis doesn't need to use that stuff.  He's married, you know, and...oh...wait...nevermind.

Erm, as you were...

That's what married means.  You sleep together, but you can't get none.

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