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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,05:19   

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Venus on a clamshell, UD has become a singularity of stupid.

<Al Pacino> Every time I get out, they keep on bringing me back in. </Al Pacino>

Seconded. The place is a car crash + tar pit + TV tropes. You look at it, it hurts, but you can't look away easily. The pain is a good kind...

...I shared too much there didn't I?

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,06:41   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 20 2011,00:06)
Gil modestly proclaims:

 
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As you know, I was once Dawkins and Matzke, only significantly more obnoxious and prideful, if such a thing can even be imagined.


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Well, thank goodness he got over that.



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,07:04   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 20 2011,00:06)
Gil modestly proclaims:

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As you know, I was once Dawkins and Matzke, only significantly more obnoxious and prideful, if such a thing can even be imagined.


Linky

It's amazing that while Gil Dodgen or Jonathan Wells claim these sorts of things, there's absolutely no public record of what they did while they were on the other side of the fence. It seems to me that if you claim advocacy for something, it's rather pathetic if you left no trace whatsoever of that advocacy. And highly convenient, of course.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,07:24   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 20 2011,06:06)
Gil modestly proclaims:

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As you know, I was once Dawkins and Matzke, only significantly more obnoxious and prideful, if such a thing can even be imagined.


Linky

I know it's asking barely functional, blinkered morons to be able to climb an intellectual kerb nearly a micron high, but even an utter dribbler like Gil should be capable of realising that his experience of atheism (if it is indeed even true) =/= anyone else's.

Am I asking for too much?

Louis

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,07:26   

I hadn't noticed that they've done anything on their current side.

Other than type.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,07:32   

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his experience of atheism


I guess what he's saying is that he has always been an an arrogant, self-centered, thoughtless twit, incapable of self awareness of of considering the impression he makes on others.

So he switched teams, but nothing else changed.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,07:32   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 20 2011,13:26)
I hadn't noticed that they've done anything on their current side.

Other than type.

Type? You over-estimate them, sir!

Their posts are proof of evolution. They apply face to keyboard and roll, and posts appear by random accident and are then selected in the environment of the internet to be worth pointing and laughing at. Coherence is merely a bonus, emergent property, rarely observed.

Louis

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,07:32   

DrBot rubs StephenB's nose in Lizzie's argument:
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Now where, StephenB, do they conclude that “abiogenesis is plausible”? They don’t, what they show is that the data supports their hypothesis, as stated in the paper, and that it fits into their own broader theory about abiogenesis.

Like DrBot, I am astounded at how difficult it is for StephenB and the rest of the IDiots to follow Lizzie's very clear explanation.  It's almost enough to make me want to study psychology.  The problem isn't low intelligence, although that does contribute in some cases, or lack of education, ditto, but a deeply ingrained inability to recognize facts that contradict their views.  Frustrating, but fascinating.

It does make me more cognizant of when I might be reinforcing my own biases, though, so clearly my tard addiction is good for me.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,07:39   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 20 2011,13:32)
[SNIP]

It does make me more cognizant of when I might be reinforcing my own biases, though, so clearly my tard addiction is good for me.

Or is that merely reinforcing your own biases?

Louis

P.S. Actually this is a semi serious question I have posed myself. Just what am I accomplishing by engaging in T.A.R.D. destruction and Moron Baiting on them thar Interwebs? Sure there have been positive outcomes (insert all the usual justifications here), but have I adequately taken care of the negatives. After all I have been exposed to Richard Hughes, and no one wants that.

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,08:10   

Quote (Louis @ Sep. 20 2011,08:39)
Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 20 2011,13:32)
[SNIP]

It does make me more cognizant of when I might be reinforcing my own biases, though, so clearly my tard addiction is good for me.

Or is that merely reinforcing your own biases?

Wow, no one ever intimated that I needed to be less subtle before.  :D

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,08:15   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 20 2011,13:32)
DrBot [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/paper-“the-origin-and-relationship-between-the-three-domains-of-life-is-lodged-in-a-phylogenetic-



impasse”/comment-page-1/#comment-400218]rubs StephenB's nose[/URL] in Lizzie's argument:
 
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Now where, StephenB, do they conclude that “abiogenesis is plausible”? They don’t, what they show is that the data supports their hypothesis, as stated in the paper, and that it fits into their own broader theory about abiogenesis.

Like DrBot, I am astounded at how difficult it is for StephenB and the rest of the IDiots to follow Lizzie's very clear explanation.  It's almost enough to make me want to study psychology.  The problem isn't low intelligence, although that does contribute in some cases, or lack of education, ditto, but a deeply ingrained inability to recognize facts that contradict their views.  Frustrating, but fascinating.

It does make me more cognizant of when I might be reinforcing my own biases, though, so clearly my tard addiction is good for me.

From here:
 
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Dr Liddle's current research interest is translational mental health, in particular ADHD and schizophrenia, as well as neuroimaging. Her work mainly focuses on trying to correct aberrant learning


It is all one big psychology project ;)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,08:24   

Quote (Louis @ Sep. 20 2011,07:39)
Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 20 2011,13:32)
[SNIP]

It does make me more cognizant of when I might be reinforcing my own biases, though, so clearly my tard addiction is good for me.

Or is that merely reinforcing your own biases?

Louis

P.S. Actually this is a semi serious question I have posed myself. Just what am I accomplishing by engaging in T.A.R.D. destruction and Moron Baiting on them thar Interwebs? Sure there have been positive outcomes (insert all the usual justifications here), but have I adequately taken care of the negatives. After all I have been exposed to Richard Hughes, and no one wants that.

Because the if no one answers their crap and shows them just how embarrassing it will be if they spew their crap publicly, then they will go forth and declare publicly that they won.

And Faux news will support them and blab their 'victory over Darwinism' for all to see and no amount of Bill Nye will be able to put that genie back in the bottle.

Creationism (and anti-vax and AGW) are all Pandora's Boxes.  

Maybe YOU don't have to do it, but someone does.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,08:52   

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then they will go forth and declare publicly that they won.


Let's be fair. Although creationism and ID have been shot down every time they have been in court, they have !!!111!!! on the basis of breach of contract.

Or should that be !!!!111!!!!,,,,,,

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George



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,09:01   

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Contratulations to Wes for making the Big Time

WND and FSTDT!

Dang, Wes.  Have you been working out?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,09:03   

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It is all one big psychology project ;)

Shhh. Talk like that will bias the experiment.

Let the good doctor work, damnit!

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,09:18   

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It is all one big psychology project ;)


My background is special education. I feel right at home.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,09:57   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 20 2011,14:10)
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 20 2011,08:39)
Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 20 2011,13:32)
[SNIP]

It does make me more cognizant of when I might be reinforcing my own biases, though, so clearly my tard addiction is good for me.

Or is that merely reinforcing your own biases?

Wow, no one ever intimated that I needed to be less subtle before.  :D

You, sir, win one internet!

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,14:00   

Quote (Louis @ Sep. 20 2011,10:57)
Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 20 2011,14:10)
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 20 2011,08:39)
 
Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 20 2011,13:32)
[SNIP]

It does make me more cognizant of when I might be reinforcing my own biases, though, so clearly my tard addiction is good for me.

Or is that merely reinforcing your own biases?

Wow, no one ever intimated that I needed to be less subtle before.  :D

You, sir, win one internet!

Louis


  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,15:38   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 20 2011,07:32)
DrBot [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/paper-“the-origin-and-relationship-between-the-three-domains-of-life-is-lodged-in-a-phylogenetic-

impasse”/comment-page-1/#comment-400218]rubs StephenB's nose[/URL] in Lizzie's argument:
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Now where, StephenB, do they conclude that “abiogenesis is plausible”? They don’t, what they show is that the data supports their hypothesis, as stated in the paper, and that it fits into their own broader theory about abiogenesis.

Like DrBot, I am astounded at how difficult it is for StephenB and the rest of the IDiots to follow Lizzie's very clear explanation.  It's almost enough to make me want to study psychology.  The problem isn't low intelligence, although that does contribute in some cases, or lack of education, ditto, but a deeply ingrained inability to recognize facts that contradict their views.  Frustrating, but fascinating.

It does make me more cognizant of when I might be reinforcing my own biases, though, so clearly my tard addiction is good for me.

There is an explanation for this observation.  It's not that the UDders don't understand the arguments and data being presented, however, it's precisely that they DO understand.

They aren't so much stupid, joseph and JoeG and FL and Dense excluded, as they are dishonest.  Yes, I'm talking about you ba77, you creep.

Notice how they'll bumble along until someone like Liz actually provides a link to a relevant resource or make a tight argument (down, Louis) and suddenly the tone changes.  Suddenly there is a barrage of creationist links and non sequiturs.  Suddenly you're back to the "can't add information" argument or the "not enough time" argument or the "improbable" argument.

Liz scored several direct hits on that thread and the creeps know it which is why they tried to bury the thread in irrelevant bullshit.  

I made the mistake of honestly engaging with these cons years ago and got banninated by DaveScot his own self after my very first post which was very polite by my standards.   As I recall, I pointed out that steam, water and ice are actually three states of the same matter, H2O, and was banned for excessive sarcasm.  Alas, I wish that had been the case!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,16:50   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 20 2011,14:00)
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 20 2011,10:57)
Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 20 2011,14:10)
 
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 20 2011,08:39)
 
Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 20 2011,13:32)
[SNIP]

It does make me more cognizant of when I might be reinforcing my own biases, though, so clearly my tard addiction is good for me.

Or is that merely reinforcing your own biases?

Wow, no one ever intimated that I needed to be less subtle before.  :D

You, sir, win one internet!

Louis


Quote reference fail.

"My God!  It's full of porn."

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,16:53   

Porn stars.

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,17:18   

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Quote reference fail.

"My God!  It's full of porn."

Is there an emoticon for hanging one's head in shame?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,18:20   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 20 2011,08:32)
DrBot rubs StephenB's nose in Lizzie's argument:
 
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Now where, StephenB, do they conclude that “abiogenesis is plausible”? They don’t, what they show is that the data supports their hypothesis, as stated in the paper, and that it fits into their own broader theory about abiogenesis.

Like DrBot, I am astounded at how difficult it is for StephenB and the rest of the IDiots to follow Lizzie's very clear explanation.  It's almost enough to make me want to study psychology.  The problem isn't low intelligence, although that does contribute in some cases, or lack of education, ditto, but a deeply ingrained inability to recognize facts that contradict their views.  Frustrating, but fascinating.

It does make me more cognizant of when I might be reinforcing my own biases, though, so clearly my tard addiction is good for me.

StephenB. What a tool.

I'll have an exasparilla, please.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,19:11   

I have a generic solution to the link problem.

Just click on the link. When you get to the page, find the <br> in the URL and delete it and press Enter.

I suppose everyone else knows this, but I didn't.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,23:25   

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If junk punctuation turns out to have function, does that prove ID?

Nah, it just shows that they're in a comma.

Besides, isn't punctuation a virtue?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,23:58   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 20 2011,07:32)
The problem isn't low intelligence, although that does contribute in some cases, or lack of education, ditto, but a deeply ingrained inability to recognize facts that contradict their views.  Frustrating, but fascinating.

We should not overestimate the intelligence of that crew's leadership, simply on the basis of their earned degrees and publications.

I've read a lot of what Dembski's written, and I have yet to be convinced that he's of more than average intelligence. He's got the bluster down, and he can push symbols around, after a fashion. But anyone who's seriously considered his "scholarship" can see that he has profound difficulty engaging with counter-arguments. He's a bullshitter who's learned how to sound smart to his primary audience, which consists of fundamentalist rubes.

Does anyone remember 'mturner' from ARN? He was really good at constructing sentences that sounded to the ignorant like they were full of profound truth. But he simply could not comprehend any challenges to his script--he was just not intellectually capable of listening to and considering anything that didn't fit into his story. Dembski's a lot like that. And I think that describes someone of less than impressive intelligence.

(Paul Nelson seems like he may be kind of smart. However, he's intellectually--and, in fact, generally--lazy. And Wells is just flat out dense.)

[Edit to remove evidence of own substandard intelligence wrt blockquotes.]

Edited by Tom Ames on Sep. 20 2011,22:00

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2011,01:22   

ID is totally not religious:

 
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hate speech against conservative, traditional Christians, both Catholic and Protestant, is never targeted by the authorities.

What does this have to do with Darwinism and ID? If you can’t figure it out, there is no point in trying to explain it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2011,06:21   

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ID is totally not religious:

   
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hate speech against conservative, traditional Christians, both Catholic and Protestant, is never targeted by the authorities.

What does this have to do with Darwinism and ID? If you can’t figure it out, there is no point in trying to explain it.

Thank goodness for small favors.

sarcastical bolding mine

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2011,06:33   

From the Attack-on-Religious-Civil-Liberties Dept:
Blue Savannah:
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Unbelievable! You can have orgies, but heaven forbid you study the Bible!

paragwinn:
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Orgies would fall under fraternal organizing, so if you were meeting on a regular basis, you would still need a permit.

Collin:
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either way, unconstitutional


Cannot make this up.
I could find myself supporting a religious believer's right to conduct orgies in their home without government interference, especially considering GilDo's OP title: Two or More Replaced with More Than Three

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2011,06:39   

Quote (George @ Sep. 21 2011,01:22)
ID is totally not religious:

     
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hate speech against conservative, traditional Christians, both Catholic and Protestant, is never targeted by the authorities.

What does this have to do with Darwinism and ID? If you can’t figure it out, there is no point in trying to explain it.

   
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Elizabeth,

I meant to say persuasive enough to me. I assert this based on my Christian faith. I simply do not believe that abiogenesis will ever be proven to have been the case.


Linky

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