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|Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 17 2011,07:46)|
|DrREC September 16, 2011 at 4:22 pm|
“Why DrREC, so all you have to do to prove your point is say that Protein a evolved from protein b??? Why that is just special DrREC! Perhaps you could sooth my doubts and actually physically demonstrate the origination of a new protein from a old protein and establish your theory/religion as at least scientifically plausible???”
I’m sorry, I find this rant awfully incoherent, and I don’t understand why my previous references are insufficient to answer your query.
The first two demonstrate the generation of novel, functional proteins by mutation and recombination of previously non-coding regions. The last demonstrates the directed evolution of novel activities (taking activity/protein a and evolving it into activity/protein b, where b doesn’t exist in nature, by ‘Darwinian’ processes-mutation and recombination acted on by selection.
Joseph September 17, 2011 at 7:39 am
All you are doing is engaging in question-begging- Just how was it determined that gene duplication and recombination are ‘Darwinian’ processes?
Do you realize that ID is not anti-evolution? Or do you really think your ignorance refutes ID?
The Bornatron 77 comes dangerously close to punctuational meltdown as that thread progresses. It might be time to upgrade to the 88 model, with PunctProtectTM technology.
The 77 starts out okay -- incoherent as always, but punctuationally benign:
|First no neo-Darwinists seems be able to show me ANY beneficial mutations, in humans (or anything else for that matter), that will withstand scrutiny, (Lactase persistence, and Himilaya high altitude/low oxygen tolerance mutations, in humans, both fail scrutiny for functional information generation, much less can the mutations be claimed as purely random mutations and not, in fact, be claimed as ‘calculated’ mutations), Yet the evidence for detrimental mutations in humans is simply overwhelming:|
Then the triple comma makes its first appearance:
|But, of personal note, when considering the multiple overlapping layers of coding in the genome,,,|
The triple comma metastasizes and starts showing up in the middle of clauses:
|Their work,,, shows that the genetic code — used by organisms as diverse as reef coral, termites, and humans — is nearly optimal for encoding signals of any length in parallel to sequences that code for proteins.|
Then we see a triple comma trying to mate with a single comma:
|But alas, as Dr. Hunter says, ,,, Religion drives science and it matters!|
The problem spreads to other punctuation marks:
|Why DrREC, so all you have to do to prove your point is say that Protein a evolved from protein b??? Why that is just special DrREC! Perhaps you could sooth my doubts and actually physically demonstrate the origination of a new protein from a old protein and establish your theory/religion as at least scientifically plausible???|
|DrREC, despite what you may think of my ‘hypocritical’ standard for science, the standard for empirical science is brutally unchanging in its threshold of satisfaction and requires nothing less than a actual empirical DEMONSTRATION for what you are claiming, and in such resolute firmness empirical science is the very antithesis of hypocrisy!!!.|
Smoke pours out of the Bornatron 77 as it emits quadruple exclamation points and commas:
|Well by golly Elizabeth, if bacteria have nothing to do with human evolution then I guess the entire Random Mutation and Natural Selection process itself has absolutely nothing to with Human Evolution either!!!! Too bad I know your playbook Elizabeth,,,, i.e. neo-Darwinian tactic #5, when faced with clear evidence that severely contradicts neo-Darwinism, deny that the clear evidence has anything whatsoever to do with evolution.|
Somebody better break the glass case and grab the fire extinguisher.
"Unguided evolution (whatever that is) doesn’t predict anything. If it did it wouldn’t be unguided." -- Mung
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