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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2010,08:51   

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I guess there are now two questions?

1) Who is going to sue first for a First Amendment violation (you'd think a 300 cubit ark was a pretty obvious endorsement of one religion)?


I don't think this is going on public land and as the announcement notes it's being privately funded. I don't see where the first amendment violation would stand. That the governor is endorsing this is an interesting fine-line issue, it seems he's been careful about noting he's promoting it because of the employment impact. I doubt this will be an issue.

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2) If no one sues, then when will the first Muslim theme park open?  Complete with rental burkahs and those that don't bow when the bell rings get blown up.*


* Yes, I'm being objectionable and stereotypical of the muslim religion.  deal with it.


When some well-funded conservative Muslim group decides that such a venture will further its goals. Until then, it won't happen.

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rossum



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2010,09:50   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Dec. 02 2010,11:47)
1) Who is going to sue first for a First Amendment violation (you'd think a 300 cubit ark was a pretty obvious endorsement of one religion)?

AIUI the tax break is because it will bring tourists and jobs to the area.  In itself those are religiously neutral.  The problems might come when they start hiring and ask prospective employees to sign one of their fundie "Statement of Faith" things.  At that point non-fundies can start suing.

IIRC the Creation Museum has something like that for its staff so I imagine that Ham will go down the same route with the Ark experience.

rossum

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the_ignored



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2011,17:32   

Seems I can't start a new topic, so I'll just post this here if that's ok

I had a run-in with Sarfati some time ago:  I went to the Creationist meeting (the Tuesday October 26, 2010, 7:00pm, Grace Point Church of God, 720 62nd St SW, Edmonton. (AB) one).

Right after work I took off to the church where Sarfati was speaking. I missed the initial lecture but he had a book-signing then another short speech/Q&A combo.

My first question had to do with this.

I pointed out that several people, right off the get-go defined vestigial organs as not necessarily meaning having "NO" function. His response? He basically kept repeating the accusation. I told him he was acting like he was ignoring the answer. We got back and forth; he mentioned the "guttersite" Talk Origins, probably because he saw me reading from a paper the references (you can see some in my comment here that I was making.

I asked him where he got off on calling them "guttersnipes" or something like that; he said that he called them a "guttersite". I said that was worse.

He said that Talk Origins was an "antichristian" site, I told him that it wasn't true: Christians like Glen Morton post there. He insulted him, belittled their "christianity" or something like that..

Anyway, he kept to saying that scientists have been trying to change the definition of "vestigial" because uses kept getting found for them while I had said that they were consistent all along, the dictionary buggered up or something.



My second question:

After listening him do the "Expelled" routine of blaming all sorts of anti-semitic crap on Darwin and showing some Nazi footage (that he said was in the "Expelled" movie), I asked him if he knew that Martin Luther (the guy he praised earlier) wrote On the Jews and Their Lies.

He said he did, but that he had virtually nothing to do with the nazis: Luther was only anti-semitic as the end of his life when they refused his arguments.

I asked him: What did Darwin ever say about the Jews? He went on about how it was "darwinist" scientists or something who went for that; you'll notice that he didn't actually answer that question. I (think) I pointed out that it was Luther that Hitler admired, etc.

I said that there's a lot of stuff here; and mentioned a Christian site: Ray Comfort's Atheist Central site and if he'd heard of him. He said he hadn't, I said that maybe it was because Comfort was from New Zealand, some in the audience liked that.

Anyway, I mentioned this post where Comfort reviewed the "Expelled" movie, and that it said all the things Sarfati said. I said: Read down the comments and you'll see the commentators refuted that (or something like that)...fortunately I got cut off before I could mention that my name is where one would find all that.

If anyone there actually remembers and gives a shit, they can go to that site and just read through and see for themselves what I wanted them to see anyway. I really didn't want those berks to know my name anyhow!

We got into another argument and the church people finally got pissed off enough (I should consider myself lucky they let me go on this long, really) muttering "Next, next".

It had no effect on me other than to make me duck my head and say something that I'm damned glad the mike didn't pick up, but Sarfati and the "light" guy did eventually end it and go on to the next questioner.


**This is how stupid I am...I rembered, way afterwards, the perfect question to have asked him during that argument. Sod it! What would it have been?

Pointing out what Sarfati once called a fellow Jew:
secular misochristic Jew

With all his talk of "darwinists" leading to nazism, it'd have been great to throw that ancient, xian anti-jewish curse back at him. Sigh...damnit.



Unlike a previous guy who took off after some @@@hole in the audience went nuts on him (Sarfati actually had to hold that guy back), I figured:  I'm staying till the end. The last thing I want is for these clowns to clap while I'm leaving or something. So, I sat until the end.

I had a nice talk with a sympathetic guy afterwards. I told him
-more detail about what I had posted on Comfort's site and which name to look for it

-how the various posters on Comfort's site keep pasting him, especially some guy named Steven J. The example I gave was the evolution of genders "problem", etc.

-how some xians like Roger C. Weins (yes, I spelled the guy's name wrong when I spelled it out to this fellow) has an article called Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective that he could Google to see how Sarfati's talk of radiometric dating gets dealt with

-how if actual historians and scientists were in the crowd that the questions would have been a lot more hostile to Sarfati, etc.

He did say that Sarfati had a sympathetic audience at the church.

He, his wife, and some other guy hung around us while we talked. Kind of sad though: Only me and him talked and we never introduced ourselves to each other or to the other people, really.

Oh well: Those other people didn't speak up themselves, they just listened.


So, other than those two problems I mentioned, how could I have handled that better?

  
the_ignored



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2011,17:36   

Forgot:  It's detailed here where Sarfati called the ADL's Foxman a "secular misochristic Jew".

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2011,08:28   

Sarfati has to dismiss the TOA because he doesn't care to deal with the arguments.

My personal take on how one deals with situations addressing a crowd of believers. (My correspondent, who had made a frontal attack on religious belief instead, did not take it well.)

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2011,10:40   

I have never had a pleasant encounter with Sarfati. Somehow we just didn't get along.

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the_ignored



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2011,11:50   

I remember that I tried to mention Dagobert Runes, the guy who wrote "On the Jew and the Cross" as well as some other books detailing the historical anti-semitism of Sarfati's adopted religion.  I mentioned the guy's name and that his mother was in a concentration camp and I was going to mention the book titles, but Sarfi cut me off, saying that some guy who he (or the "Expelled" people used as a source?) was himself supposed to be a camp survivor.  

He was quite brusque at that point...I wonder if he knew what I was about to say.  Pisses me off that I let him cut me off like that.

Meh, I'm new at this.

  
Peter Henderson



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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2012,08:02   

Jason Rosenhouse needs to do a report on this one:

http://creation.com/superco....peakers

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Join us at Lifeway Ridgecrest Conference Center for 5 fantastic days of learning, leisure, fellowship, fun and worship, with a top line-up of creation speakers from the US and around the world.

This family conference presents some of the world's leading creationist thinkers in the areas of creation apologetics, biology, geology, and cosmology. A full children’s program will also be provided teaching young ones how to think about the issues.

There will be something for everyone! Supervised activities onsite, free music concerts, powerlifting performances, geology excursions, Q&A panels and more!

Wednesday 1st – Sunday 5th August 2012


http://creation.com/superco....nce2012

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2012,08:22   

Sal will be there, no doubt.

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NormOlsen



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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2012,17:53   

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A full children’s program will also be provided teaching young ones how to think about the issues.


How depressing.

  
Badger3k



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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2012,18:16   

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A full children’s program will also be provided teaching young ones how to think about the issues.


How depressing.

It would be more honest if they admitted it was "teaching young children what to think about the issue"

I can't see them getting anywhere close to teaching them how to think (well, how to think critically - I'm sure they are good at teaching kids not to question).

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: July 31 2012,14:23   

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A full children’s program will also be provided teaching young ones how to think about the issues.


How depressing.

hahahahaha that place is where i felt my first church-girl titties

as stupid as that conference is i have fond memories of chasing skirts around the side of that hill

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: July 31 2012,14:36   

check out the "Activities" page

those assholes are going to Chimney Rock, at the mouth of the Rocky Broad River Gorge, to talk about young earth stupidism.  

there are very few places on earth where there is such a vast array of evidence for not only the deep age of the Appalachian mountains but also the deep evolutionary history of the plants and animals that populate those mountains.  

for fuck's sake there are endemic plethodontid salamanders, plants and fishes in that watershed, which has been eroding headward into the Blue Ridge Escarpment over 80,000 times as long as these assholes pretend to believe that the earth has existed.

SOOOOO

my bet is that no amount of creationist dipshittery can persuade an honest observer that they are looking at anything other than the gaping maw of history when they visit this place.  there may not be many honest observers there, but I know i walked away from that bullshit because of (in part) the inanities I heard repeated at this conference center in the first place.  So don't think of it as a YEC Conference, think of it as an Anti-theist Generator

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 03 2012,10:13   

Journal of Creation Theology and Science

Do we need a new thread for this exciting new YEC publication, courtesy Bryan College and Todd Wood?

http://www.bryancore.org/jcts...........cts

For example:

Ancient mtDNA Implies a Nonconstant Molecular Clock in the Human Holobaramin - TC Wood

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Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
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Peter Henderson



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2013,18:10   

I see Zack Kopplin has really pissed Ham off:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/article....washing

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Students are being brainwashed with evolutionary ideas in almost all public schools and museums, and they are expected to accept it uncritically. We’ve made this point many times over the years, but a recent news story has made the brainwashing even more obvious.1 In 2008, Louisiana passed a bill that would allow teachers in the public school system to “use supplemental materials . . . to help students critique and review scientific theories.” Such critical thinking skills should be a part of an education process and are part of many state education standards.

Well, a 19-year-old student at Rice University, Zack Kopplin, is on a mission to repeal that law. He is being praised by the secular world for his ambition, as evidenced in a recent article about him.

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2013,20:28   

Quote (Freddie @ Oct. 03 2012,10:13)
Journal of Creation Theology and Science

Do we need a new thread for this exciting new YEC publication, courtesy Bryan College and Todd Wood?

http://www.bryancore.org/jcts...........cts

For example:

Ancient mtDNA Implies a Nonconstant Molecular Clock in the Human Holobaramin - TC Wood

Too late!

Bryancore ain't no more.

Headline should read "Baraminology Lab Is Last of Its Kind."

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2013,21:55   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 21 2013,20:28)
Quote (Freddie @ Oct. 03 2012,10:13)
Journal of Creation Theology and Science

Do we need a new thread for this exciting new YEC publication, courtesy Bryan College and Todd Wood?

http://www.bryancore.org/jcts...........cts

For example:

Ancient mtDNA Implies a Nonconstant Molecular Clock in the Human Holobaramin - TC Wood

Too late!

Bryancore ain't no more.

Headline should read "Baraminology Lab Is Last of Its Kind."

see PT for more information

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Arctodus23



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,11:23   

Creationist cowards state Kent Hovind is in prison for creationism.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,17:21   

Gish has galloped off to meet his designer.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2013,19:54   

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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“The thing is,” Hartmann countered, “the things you’re throwing out here are neither accurate nor scientific.”

“It’s very scientific,” Hovind replied. “How is it that there are 20, or 26, doctorate degree, professor-level teachers just at Liberty University alone?”

“Because Liberty University lets you in without even having a G.E.D.,” Hartmann responded.


Eric hovind says the earff is 6,000 years old because "do the numbers" &c.

   
Arctodus23



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2014,17:28   

Predicting grizzly bear densities in Northern America

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"So the center of the earth being hotter than the surface is a "gross
violation of the second law of thermodynamics??" -- Ted Holden

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2014,11:05   

Answers in Genesis has a "Flat Ken" photo contest.

I think maybe a little editing is in order for the non-AiG crowd to get into this: "Flat Earth Ken".

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Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2014,15:20   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 01 2014,11:05)
Answers in Genesis has a "Flat Ken" photo contest.

I think maybe a little editing is in order for the non-AiG crowd to get into this: "Flat Earth Ken".

A myriad possibilities await ...



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Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2014,15:34   

I'm tempted to give 4chan a nudge.

  
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