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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,15:41   

A random quote.
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Intelligent design uses deductive logic which is 100% accurate

All coded languages are observed to originate from an intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given

DNA contains a coded language

The coded language in DNA originated from an intelligence.

You also need to examine the falsification method, its ABSURD to say the least.

It states because "something" CAN NOT be proven to be false, we therefore must ASSUME it is false. this is? the absences of logic and reason


http://www.youtube.com/user/toobsucker

Will toobsucker come over? I've left a link....

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIezfosDNJM

Link to thread with active "conversation". Currently just DI talking points.

But this is a gem:
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"Come over to ATBC, tell us all about it and we can examine your claims of "evidence" in as much detail as you like"

I will when I get more time. I have very little time on line now (2-3 days a week a few hours a day) and IM on theologyweb and others.

Trust? me I would love to dismantle PZ Myers logic, which is simple to do


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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,15:43   

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At Cambrian?. The fossil record is the complete opposite of? what was predicted. Do you realize virtually every prediction evolution has made has been falsified?

Gould said the Cambrian explosion went from the "many phylum to the few" the OPPOSITE of what was predicted. when your falsified you? guys just quietly change the theories. how nice

 
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HGT is just a reason to explain away?? the lack of evidence the original theory made. That we should see the few evolving into the many. and closely related species should have more similarities than distantly related species. FALSIFIED.

So HGT to the rescue. Just as P.E. did for sudden appearance and stasis


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The atheist can never open that door of I.D. even when he practices the very thing he says IS NOT SCIENCE. it scares him


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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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Stanton



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,16:20   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 09 2011,15:43)
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At Cambrian?. The fossil record is the complete opposite of? what was predicted. Do you realize virtually every prediction evolution has made has been falsified?

Gould said the Cambrian explosion went from the "many phylum to the few" the OPPOSITE of what was predicted. when your falsified you? guys just quietly change the theories. how nice

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HGT is just a reason to explain away?? the lack of evidence the original theory made. That we should see the few evolving into the many. and closely related species should have more similarities than distantly related species. FALSIFIED.

So HGT to the rescue. Just as P.E. did for sudden appearance and stasis


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The atheist can never open that door of I.D. even when he practices the very thing he says IS NOT SCIENCE. it scares him

Shorter toobsucker:

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ID is everything!  Evolution is wrong!  Atheists are dummydoodyheads!!!!

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,16:54   

So what is encryption?

Hmmm... yet I can think of systems developed by computers that humans can't explain or even figure out how they work.

DNA is not a coded language.

So much for that.  Next.

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,17:02   

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At Cambrian?. The fossil record is the complete opposite of? what was predicted. Do you realize virtually every prediction evolution has made has been falsified?

If this person isn't Denyse O'Leary, it's someone who's taken her course in How to Write Good Like What I Does.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,17:07   

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DNA is not a coded language.

Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,18:05   

Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 09 2011,17:07)
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DNA is not a coded language.

Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.

I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.

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Wolfhound



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,19:42   

Sometimes the shortest, crudest responses are the most eloquent.

To wit: †What a dumbfuck.

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Wolfhound



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,19:43   

Freakin' misspelling!   :angry: I wanna edit button!

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Stanton



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,19:48   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 09 2011,18:05)
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 09 2011,17:07)
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DNA is not a coded language.

Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.

I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.

I'd like to see him use Intelligent Design to explain organisms like Opabinia, or Dicranurus or even the Panda.

  
Wolfhound



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,21:09   

Quote (Wolfhound @ Feb. 09 2011,20:43)
Freakin' misspelling! † :angry: I wanna edit button!

sqeeeeeeeeeeee!

Thank you!

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Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,21:17   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 09 2011,18:05)
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 09 2011,17:07)
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DNA is not a coded language.

Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.

I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.

I'm not sure that would be a good idea.  ERV is not a young woman to trifle with.

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,22:01   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 09 2011,21:17)
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DNA is not a coded language.

Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.

I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.

I'm not sure that would be a good idea. †ERV is not a young woman to trifle with.

I know, isn't she the epic bomb?

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Stanton



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,22:07   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 09 2011,21:17)
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Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 09 2011,17:07)
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DNA is not a coded language.

Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.

I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.

I'm not sure that would be a good idea. †ERV is not a young woman to trifle with.

I remember how she verbally eviscerated Michael Behe.

That kind of damage can only be approximated with a weedwhacker.

  
noncarborundum



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,23:06   

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DNA is not a coded language.

Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.

I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.

I'm not sure that would be a good idea. †ERV is not a young woman to trifle with.

I remember how she verbally eviscerated Michael Behe.

That kind of damage can only be approximated with a weedwhacker.

Or by a Richard Lenski.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2011,23:57   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 09 2011,20:01)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 09 2011,21:17)
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Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 09 2011,17:07)
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DNA is not a coded language.

Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.

I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.

I'm not sure that would be a good idea. †ERV is not a young woman to trifle with.

I know, isn't she the epic bomb?

Insert raunchy conjugation pun here.

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Stanton



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2011,00:20   

Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 09 2011,23:06)
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DNA is not a coded language.

Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.

I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.

I'm not sure that would be a good idea. †ERV is not a young woman to trifle with.

I remember how she verbally eviscerated Michael Behe.

That kind of damage can only be approximated with a weedwhacker.

Or by a Richard Lenski.

Dr Lenski's flensing can only be approximated by Omega Beams.

  
noncarborundum



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2011,00:30   

Quote (fnxtr @ Feb. 09 2011,23:57)
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DNA is not a coded language.

Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.

I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.

I'm not sure that would be a good idea. †ERV is not a young woman to trifle with.

I know, isn't she the epic bomb?

Insert raunchy conjugation pun here.

I can't give you any conjugation puns, so how about a couple of declension puns:

1) "I'd rather decline two drinks than one German adjective" (Sam Clemens)

2) "Latin students never decline sex" (perhaps because they're rarely given the opportunity?)

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"The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes. †I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it. †Okay? †So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

  
Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2011,00:58   

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All coded languages are observed to originate from an intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given

This statement is accurate as far as it goes, but it doesn't go far enough. All that need be done is add one word, like so:
All coded languages are observed to originate from a human intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given
I wonder why ID-pushers always leave out that one word?

  
Sol3a1



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2011,06:48   

Sad thing is toobsucker is not the only one

If you want to see TARD in its native form, YouTube is the place to be

I've invited another person to this thread.  They go by the username "karamarouge" and they, and these are there words:
"Will not defend ID as destroying one argument doesn't promote the other" (paraphrase)
"If ur theory is untestable, unfalsifiable & unobservable, it isnt science. It is RELIGION." (actual quote)

Hopefully, he'll come here too

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2011,14:49   

Quote (Cubist @ Feb. 10 2011,15:58)
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All coded languages are observed to originate from an intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given

This statement is accurate as far as it goes, but it doesn't go far enough. All that need be done is add one word, like so:
All coded languages are observed to originate from a human intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given
I wonder why ID-pushers always leave out that one word?

Or ... DNA is an example of a coded language that didn't originate from intelligence.

I can assume my conclusion just like any creationist

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2011,15:18   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 09 2011,15:41)
A random quote.
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All coded languages are observed to originate from an intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given


http://www.youtube.com/user/toobsucker

You know, I've been thinking about this and I can come up with dozens of examples of coded language without intelligence.

First, what is language?  In this case, I mean it to be the method of transmitting information from one individual to another individual by a set of rules and processes understand by both parties to convey certain information (maybe Arden can stick his $0.02 in here).

We obviously cannot use 'spoken' or 'written' for language because that would eliminate DNA.

With that being said, the following are all examples of language developed by non-sentient creatures:
1) bees' wiggle dance (used to tell other bees where the flowers are)
2) marmots' and similar species' alarm calls
3) wolves' howling, barking and scent marks
4) chemical signals emitted by corals

Etc. etc. etc.

Well, so much for that.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2011,21:42   

Then there's also the minor detail that an evolving gene pool has at least two of the attributes we associate with intelligence - it tries different variations, even if at random, and it keeps records of what produced the more successful of those variations.

Henry

  
Sol3a1



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2011,04:59   

Here's another live wire full of themselves, karamarouge.

He(?) keeps spouting out "new lines of reasoning" that destroys Evolution which is actually the same old PRATT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1-Iqt02Asg

  
Sol3a1



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2011,05:17   

After I called him out on Evolution is a religion, even the courts figured it is not but ID is, this was his retort"

"Wait one second!!! Is an evolutionist citing the rules of the? courts that enslaved the blackman, declaring him three fifth a person? Oh wait, darwin and his cronies did argue that the black man was closer to the apes!

Same courts that treated women as second class citizens? And convicted Mr Scopes of the scopes monkey trial himself?

You are citing the rulings of a court because according to you this is where scientific matters are decided and not in a school or lab? REally?"

This is going to be fun

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2011,07:45   

Quote (Cubist @ Feb. 10 2011,00:58)

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All coded languages are observed to originate from an intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given

This statement is accurate as far as it goes, but it doesn't go far enough. All that need be done is add one word, like so:
All coded languages are observed to originate from a human intelligence, no examples to the contrary can be given
I wonder why ID-pushers always leave out that one word?


I must quibble - Are not dog barks and growls, and bird squawks and songs, deliberate coded language?  Certainly monkey hoots and screams are and I doubt anyone would argue that the sounds bonobos, chimpanzees, and orangutans make aren't intended coded language. And for an even more obvious example, what are the squeaks and grunts and hums of whales if not coded language?

I submit that many organisms engage in coded language, however I would argue that DNA isn't a *deliberate* coded language or even really a language per se. It is a code to be sure, but saying it is a language is  really no different than saying that electrons in a piece of copper are a language.

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Stanton



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2011,07:46   

Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 11 2011,05:17)
After I called him out on Evolution is a religion, even the courts figured it is not but ID is, this was his retort"

"Wait one second!!! Is an evolutionist citing the rules of the? courts that enslaved the blackman, declaring him three fifth a person? Oh wait, darwin and his cronies did argue that the black man was closer to the apes!

Same courts that treated women as second class citizens? And convicted Mr Scopes of the scopes monkey trial himself?

You are citing the rulings of a court because according to you this is where scientific matters are decided and not in a school or lab? REally?"

This is going to be fun

Have you showed this moron Father of Modern Young Earth Creationism George McCready Price's little poem?
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The poor little fellow who went to the south
†Got lost in the forests dank;
His skin grew black, as the fierce sun beat
And scorched his hair with its tropic heat,
†And his mind became a blank.



http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA005.html

  
Sol3a1



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2011,07:52   

Quote (Stanton @ Feb. 11 2011,07:46)
Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 11 2011,05:17)
After I called him out on Evolution is a religion, even the courts figured it is not but ID is, this was his retort"

"Wait one second!!! Is an evolutionist citing the rules of the? courts that enslaved the blackman, declaring him three fifth a person? Oh wait, darwin and his cronies did argue that the black man was closer to the apes!

Same courts that treated women as second class citizens? And convicted Mr Scopes of the scopes monkey trial himself?

You are citing the rulings of a court because according to you this is where scientific matters are decided and not in a school or lab? REally?"

This is going to be fun
Have you showed this moron Father of Modern Young Earth Creationism George McCready Price's little poem?
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The poor little fellow who went to the south
†Got lost in the forests dank;
His skin grew black, as the fierce sun beat
And scorched his hair with its tropic heat,
†And his mind became a blank.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA005.html

Thanks, I will

I'm hoping for the "bible is good" stuff so I can bring out the slavery stuff

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2011,08:25   

Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 11 2011,07:52)
Quote (Stanton @ Feb. 11 2011,07:46)
Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 11 2011,05:17)
After I called him out on Evolution is a religion, even the courts figured it is not but ID is, this was his retort"

"Wait one second!!! Is an evolutionist citing the rules of the? courts that enslaved the blackman, declaring him three fifth a person? Oh wait, darwin and his cronies did argue that the black man was closer to the apes!

Same courts that treated women as second class citizens? And convicted Mr Scopes of the scopes monkey trial himself?

You are citing the rulings of a court because according to you this is where scientific matters are decided and not in a school or lab? REally?"

This is going to be fun
Have you showed this moron Father of Modern Young Earth Creationism George McCready Price's little poem?
Quote
The poor little fellow who went to the south
†Got lost in the forests dank;
His skin grew black, as the fierce sun beat
And scorched his hair with its tropic heat,
†And his mind became a blank.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA005.html

Thanks, I will

I'm hoping for the "bible is good" stuff so I can bring out the slavery stuff

Don't forget to ask him WHICH Bible is right (since there are at least 6 all with different books) and how he knows.

Ask him to apply his scientific knowledge to the Bible and perhaps (if he brings up morality, which is sounds like he is) ask him this:

If God tells you to start eating babies, what will you do?
1) Not eat babies - in this case, God is actually amoral.

2) God would never say that because it's wrong - in this case, there IS a morality external to God, which means that he is subject to it... then bring up, slavery, rape, genocide, etc, etc.

3) Get the ketchup! - in which case you run, do not walk, way from the loon (although his statements are now clear to everyone on the internet).

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2011,08:42   

Quote (Robin @ Feb. 11 2011,07:45)
I submit that many organisms engage in coded language, however I would argue that DNA isn't a *deliberate* coded language or even really a language per se. It is a code to be sure, but saying it is a language is †really no different than saying that electrons in a piece of copper are a language.

My response to the "DNA is a language" issue is to ask whoever is making the claim to translate some DNA into English. After all, one of the features of a true language is that it can be translated from one language to another.

If they cannot do that then the next step is to point out that then perhaps "Language" is not the right word....

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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