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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,08:33   

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"that fucking COX2-inhibitor"


   
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"that fucking COX2-inhibitor"


   
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Unfortunately I don't know precisely how the generators work, I have enough to worry about making the damn things/getting them to work etc. Usually they're referred to as "that fucking COX2-inhibitor" or something similar. ;-)

Louis

Marketing gold, my friend.  Marketing gold...

"Ask your doctor about that fucking COX2-inhibitor"

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,09:50   

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"that fucking COX2-inhibitor"


   
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"that fucking COX2-inhibitor"


   
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Unfortunately I don't know precisely how the generators work, I have enough to worry about making the damn things/getting them to work etc. Usually they're referred to as "that fucking COX2-inhibitor" or something similar. ;-)

Louis

Marketing gold, my friend.  Marketing gold...

"Ask your doctor about that fucking COX2-inhibitor"

A "fucking COX2 inhibitor" sounds like a mother-in-law with two daughters.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,10:31   

I mentioned this marketing idea to one of the senior people in the marketing dept.

My P45*. I has it.

Louis

*P45 = UK equivalent of a pink slip. Not this kind of pink slip:



Sadly.

ETA: The lady in the photo is the senior person in marketing I mentioned it to. What a coinkydink!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,10:48   

Geez. Only one thought crosses my mind when I see a woman like that.

"Sister, go home and eat something."

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,11:07   

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Geez. Only one thought crosses my mind when I see a woman like that.

"Sister, go home and eat something."

*Insert "I've got something for her to eat" joke here*





(I'm thinking Charlston Chews)

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,11:12   

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*Insert "I've got something for her to eat" joke here*


*Insert "She needs a meal, not a snack!" witty retort here.*


Ba-dum-CHING!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,11:19   

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*Insert "I've got something for her to eat" joke here*


*Insert "She needs a meal, not a snack!" witty retort here.*


Ba-dum-CHING!

*insert "it looked so much bigger when your mother was eating it" retort, here*

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,11:26   

Quote (fnxtr @ Feb. 25 2010,15:48)
Geez. Only one thought crosses my mind when I see a woman like that.

"Sister, go home and eat something."

As Billy Connelly said regarding underweight models

"Go on darlin', have a cheeseburger, you'll be amazed how happy it makes you!"

Good advice.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:04   

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Oh my god, I have to apologize to Joe G.!

Right there on p. 452 of the Kerry Bloom review he pointed us to, it says that Centrioles are actually little turbines, with a citation to Jonathan Wells!

Wow, Joe, what can I say? I guess you really must have read and understood all those references you gave us from the January 28, 2010 edition of Nature. And they indeed support ID, completely repudiating Darwinism, just as you claimed they do. My profoundest apologies for ever doubting you.

Gee asshole- what is your evidence that blind undirected processes can account for the specified complexity observed in living organisms?

Can you even muster a testable hypothesis or is drooling and stroking all you are good for?

IOW butt-plug what do you have besides the refusal to allow the design inference no matter what?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:09   

What specified complexity would that be Joe?

Where are the specifications for any living organism?

I'll bet you typed this latest rant with one hand again, right?   ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:14   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Feb. 25 2010,19:09)
What specified complexity would that be Joe?

Where are the specifications for any living organism?

I'll bet you typed this latest rant with one hand again, right?   ;)

I bet you mouths the words as you ype you freakin' retard.

Try reading a little Lelie Orgel and then buy a fucking vowel you moronic retard.

The specified complexity that your position cannot account for.

You assholes require a load of intelligent intervention just to get nucleotides.

And even the RNAs that are synthesized are only capable of catalyzing ione little bond.

IOW assface all you have is the refusal to allow the design inference.

All you can do is ask smirky questions because in reality you are an imbecile.

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Smilodon's Retreat is a place for ignorant cowards

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:16   

That's nice Joe, but where are the specifications for any living organism?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:17   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Feb. 25 2010,19:16)
That's nice Joe, but where are the specifications for any living organism?

Look in any biology textbook you moron.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:20   

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That's nice Joe, but where are the specifications for any living organism?

Look in any biology textbook you moron.

OK, so you can't provide any specification, or provide the calculated value of 'CSI' for any biological object.

How can complexity be specified when there isn't any specification?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:21   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Feb. 25 2010,19:16)
That's nice Joe, but where are the specifications for any living organism?

For example check out the peer-reviewed paper pertaining to the minimal complexity of a minimal bacteria.- minimal genome

You can also read about it here:

peering into the black box

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:22   

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That's nice Joe, but where are the specifications for any living organism?

Look in any biology textbook you moron.

I'd bet even your car is a Dodge.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:22   

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That's nice Joe, but where are the specifications for any living organism?

Look in any biology textbook you moron.

OK, so you can't provide any specification, or provide the calculated value of 'CSI' for any biological object.

How can complexity be specified when there isn't any specification?

So you refuse to look in a biology textbook and you think your ignorance refutes what I said.

You are an intellectual coward.

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Smilodon's Retreat is a place for ignorant cowards

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:23   

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That's nice Joe, but where are the specifications for any living organism?

Look in any biology textbook you moron.

I'd bet even your car is a Dodge.

Grand National- 1987 black on black

Eat your freakin' heart out...

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Smilodon's Retreat is a place for ignorant cowards

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:24   

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That's nice Joe, but where are the specifications for any living organism?

Look in any biology textbook you moron.

I'd bet even your car is a Dodge.

Grand National- 1987 black on black

Eat your freakin' heart out...

sure it is.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:28   

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That's nice Joe, but where are the specifications for any living organism?

Look in any biology textbook you moron.

I'd bet even your car is a Dodge.

Grand National- 1987 black on black

Eat your freakin' heart out...

sure it is.

Jealousy- Oh how I love your jealousy...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:29   

Textbooks don't have any before-the-fact specifications Joe.  They have descriptions of the makeup of proteins that were determined by after-the-fact observations.

You need to show where the specifications were listed first, and then confirmed by observation.  Otherwise you're just doing the 'sharpshooter's fallacy' - shooting an arrow anywhere into the side of the barn, then drawing the target around it afterward and claiming a bulls-eye.

Where are the before-the-fact specifications Joe?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:38   

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Textbooks don't have any before-the-fact specifications Joe.  They have descriptions of the makeup of proteins that were determined by after-the-fact observations.

You need to show where the specifications were listed first, and then confirmed by observation.  Otherwise you're just doing the 'sharpshooter's fallacy' - shooting an arrow anywhere into the side of the barn, then drawing the target around it afterward and claiming a bulls-eye.

Where are the before-the-fact specifications Joe?

Umm the theory of evolution is based on after-the-fact observation.

Science is an after-the-fact enterprise- you have to make an observation and THEN you formulate a hypothesis- after-the-fact.

But anyway Dr Behe discusses this in "Darwin's Black Box":

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"Our ability to be confident of the design of the cilium or intracellular transport rests on the same principles to be confident of the design of anything: the ordering of separate components to achieve an identifiable function that depends sharply on the components.”


That said what does your position have asshole?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:50   

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Textbooks don't have any before-the-fact specifications Joe.  They have descriptions of the makeup of proteins that were determined by after-the-fact observations.

You need to show where the specifications were listed first, and then confirmed by observation.  Otherwise you're just doing the 'sharpshooter's fallacy' - shooting an arrow anywhere into the side of the barn, then drawing the target around it afterward and claiming a bulls-eye.

Where are the before-the-fact specifications Joe?

Umm the theory of evolution is based on after-the-fact observation.

Science is an after-the-fact enterprise- you have to make an observation and THEN you formulate a hypothesis- after-the-fact.

ToE doesn't claim anything was built to a pre-existing specification either.

How can you tell if something is designed or not designed when your only criteria is "it looks like what it looks like"?

   
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But anyway Dr Behe discusses this in "Darwin's Black Box":

     
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"Our ability to be confident of the design of the cilium or intracellular transport rests on the same principles to be confident of the design of anything: the ordering of separate components to achieve an identifiable function that depends sharply on the components.”


That said what does your position have asshole?

You mean Behe claims it, but forgot to support his claims.

BTW, would that be the same Behe who testified that ID has as much scientific validity as astrology?  The same one who's an even bigger laughingstock than Dembski?  That Behe?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:54   

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That's nice Joe, but where are the specifications for any living organism?

Look in any biology textbook you moron.

I'd bet even your car is a Dodge.

Grand National- 1987 black on black

Eat your freakin' heart out...

Why doesn't it surprise me that he drives a fuckin' Buick.  The only thing lamer would be an AMC.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,20:06   

Hey Joe, you do realize that it only takes 5 nucleotides to form a functional ribozyme that can catalyze other ribozymes and thus... everything.

5... that's it.

All Dembski's meaningless calculations are now well and truly useless.  They were useless before, but he still can't admit it.  

Tell me, Joe.  Have you ever done a calculation?  

So, when are you going to fill in the blanks of the 6th grade level lab report.  Shouldn't be too hard for a genius like you.

How about this Joe: Rank the following in specified complexity.

A) Homo sapien
B) Mycoplasma genitalium
C) Amoeba dubia

kthnx

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,20:14   

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Tell me, Joe.  Have you ever done a calculation?  

He sure has!  Behold!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,20:24   

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Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 25 2010,20:17)
 
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That's nice Joe, but where are the specifications for any living organism?

Look in any biology textbook you moron.

I'd bet even your car is a Dodge.

Grand National- 1987 black on black

Eat your freakin' heart out...

Why doesn't it surprise me that he drives a fuckin' Buick.  The only thing lamer would be an AMC.

yeah it's a buick but it ain't no grand national.  bitch drives a regal.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,20:46   

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Tell me, Joe.  Have you ever done a calculation?  

He sure has!  Behold!

I don't believe you.

All I get in an error from the link.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,21:07   

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All I get in an error from the link.

I get a bunch of giberish from the link.  Oh, wait,. that's just Joe's O'Leary-like attempt at communicating.

SRSLY - link works fine for me.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,21:52   

hmmm... apparently the information content of the webpage was too much for my old PC to calculate... or something like that.

I still call BS on the calculation.


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A simple character count reveals 202 characters which translates into 1010 bits of information/ specified complexity..


Those are the only two numbers in the whole darn post.  There is no explanation of how 202 characters = 1010 bits.

The implication is that 5 bits = 1 character, but why?

Standard ASCII had 8 bits per character (including all numbers, punctuation, control functions, and a space).  

Because this is from an ID blog and there's really no chance that they understand these types of things, I'll quote from wiki

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A fair coin has an entropy of one bit. However, if the coin is not fair, then the uncertainty is lower (if asked to bet on the next outcome, we would bet preferentially on the most frequent result), and thus the Shannon entropy is lower. Mathematically, a coin flip is an example of a Bernoulli trial, and its entropy is given by the binary entropy function. A long string of repeating characters has an entropy rate of 0, since every character is predictable. The entropy rate of English text is between 1.0 and 1.5 bits per letter,[1] or as low as 0.6 to 1.3 bits per letter, according to estimates by Shannon based on human experiments.[2]
Wikipedia - Entropy (Information Theory)

So, Joe, please do explain how you arrived at your 'calculation'*.  Why you used the values that you did and what was the point of the exercise (other than showing off 3rd grade level math skills).


* I hesitate to call multiplying a 3 digit number by 5 a 'calculation'.  In the strictest sense of the word, it is a calculation, but it is so trivial that any reasonably competent 3rd grader could accomplish the same thing and with more explanation as to 'why' he/she performed the calculation.

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