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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2009,16:55   

As every ID advocate has ever done DLH asks you to do the work he should be doing to prove his point
   
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To apply these measures to distinguish between materialistic and intelligent causes, See William Dembski, No Free Lunch, Why Specified Complexity Cannot Be Purchased without Intelligence, (2002) Rowman & Littlefield Pub Inc. ISBN 0-7425-1297-5

Does this get you started?

Erm, DLH. Why not just do it yourself? What's stopping you?
   
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See Tchaikovsky’s musical score for another measure of prior specified complexity that could be compared with the audio frequency analysis.

Could be? Should be if you ask me. So, who's suppressing you DLH? Your example sounds great. So please do it. Then once you have the prior specified complexity you can determine the FSCI.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2009,17:07   

DLH doesn't need to do no steenking calculations. Jesus told him so.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2009,18:04   

"See Tchaikovsky’s musical score for another measure of prior specified complexity that could be compared with the audio frequency analysis."

See John Cage's musical score for 4' 33" for another measure of prior specified complexity that could be compared with the audio frequency analysis. I'm waiting.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2009,19:28   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 12 2009,16:55)
As every ID advocate has ever done DLH asks you to do the work he should be doing to prove his point
     
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To apply these measures to distinguish between materialistic and intelligent causes, See William Dembski, No Free Lunch, Why Specified Complexity Cannot Be Purchased without Intelligence, (2002) Rowman & Littlefield Pub Inc. ISBN 0-7425-1297-5

Does this get you started?

Erm, DLH. Why not just do it yourself? What's stopping you?
   
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See Tchaikovsky’s musical score for another measure of prior specified complexity that could be compared with the audio frequency analysis.

Could be? Should be if you ask me. So, who's suppressing you DLH? Your example sounds great. So please do it. Then once you have the prior specified complexity you can determine the FSCI.

I'm trying to lay off the hard, direct from the source tard this semester, but you tempt me, Satan Old Man.

Are they claiming to be able to use ID to distinguish between music and noise?  Color me unimpressed.

Regardless of the details, this smells like one of those discussions that they'll drag on endlessly, never answering any direct questions nor applying  their junior high math to any real organism and then constantly refer back to it in support of their conclusions.  "Of course ID can identify design.  You need to read about the use of our collection of three and four letter acronyms in musicology, stupid materialist."

This prediction brought to you by the letters F and Q, the number 68, and the long history of ridiculous behavior by the IDiots at UD.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2009,22:37   

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What do you expect from somebody who wrote a  manual for running a fundamentalist cell.


From Grandma E. Mullings of The Kick-a-baby Initiative, Manual on How To Be A Young Fundamentalist Blowhard for Jesus:

     
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3.4 Evolutionary Materialism


The intellectual powerhouse that energises secularism is Evolutionary Materialism.19
Consequently, we must take its measure, and understand then respond to its claims, strengths and
limitations, if we are to be effective as educated Christian thinkers and leaders in our region.
Now, except in intellectual circles, Evolutionism is not yet an openly dominant influence in our
region, due to the lingering hold of the Bible on the popular mindset. As time goes on, however,
the secularist trend is clearly gathering momentum, and so it is imperative for us to respond to it
without further delay.
The core issue, of course, is that the biological Theory of [Macro-] Evolution is often held to
"prove" the philosophy of Materialism, thus discrediting the Bible and the Christian Faith. This
leads to four critical questions:

(1) Is biological macro-evolution a proven fact?

(2) Do the various evolutionary philosophies and theories in various fields of study
necessarily follow from biological macro-evolution?

(3) Can these philosophies and theories stand up as proven facts?

(4) Does Evolution therefore disprove the existence of God?

The critical issue is the linkage between observable data, the inferred theory of macro-evolution,
and the claimed implication, materialism. If the inference is good and the implication holds, then
God is dead, full stop. So would be Man.
19 Often called “Naturalism.” Evolutionary Materialism is used here because it is a more descriptive phrase.
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First, a clarification. It is macro-evolution which is at stake, not the minor population variations
commonly called micro-evolution. We are not discussing well known small scale changes, such
as Darwin’s Finches or Industrial Melanism, but rather the grand theory that seeks to explain the
origin and diversification of life into the many forms in the fossil record and those existing
today.
All such macro-theories face three major difficulties: explaining the origin of life; explaining the mechanism that allows, say, a fish to evolve into a man in several hundred million years; explaining the all-too-characteristic "sudden appearances and disappearances" of life-forms in the "almost unmanageably rich" fossil record, which is the major evidence.
For, as many competent commentators have repeatedly pointed out,20 the leap from amino acids
formed in spark-in-gas experiments to a complete and functioning life-form is vast. Colour
changes in moths are one thing, "amoeba to man" quite another. A fossil record of gaps and
postulated but still all-too-missing links is more of an embarrassment than a proof (and has
always been so).21 In short, it is hardly proper to conclude, after more than a century, that
macro-evolution is proven fact.
Of course, to many, macro-evolution "must" be true — the alternative, creation and/or intelligent
design, "is incredible." Their basic reason, of course, is that they are philosophical materialists —
they begin by assuming that there is no God, rather than with an open-minded assessment of the
evidence. Plainly, this is a circular argument — one obvious alternative is that God/the
Intelligent Designer used evolution as his means of creation! Another, given the problems with
the evidence, is that macro-evolution simply did not happen. (This may be intellectually
unfashionable, but it is definitely not ruled out by the available evidence.)
In short, while macro-evolution may well fit into an atheistic view of the world, it is itself open
to significant challenge and simply cannot prove materialism to be true.
Philosophical materialism, however, has deeper problems. It argues that the cosmos is the
product of chance interactions of matter and energy, within the constraint of the laws of nature.
Therefore, all phenomena in the universe, without residue, are determined by the working of
purposeless laws acting on material objects, under the direct or indirect control of chance.
But human thought, clearly a phenomenon in the universe, must now fit into this picture. Thus,
what we subjectively experience as "thoughts" and "conclusions" can only be understood
materialistically as unintended by-products of the natural forces which cause and control the
electro-chemical events going on in neural networks in our brains. (These forces are viewed as
ultimately physical, but are taken to be partly mediated through a complex pattern of genetic
inheritance and psycho-social conditioning, within the framework of human culture.)
Therefore, if materialism is true, the "thoughts" we have and the "conclusions" we reach, without
residue, are produced and controlled by forces that are irrelevant to purpose, truth, or validity.
20 See the references at the end of this module.
21 In Darwin’s day, it was confidently expected that the “gaps” would be filled in, hence the search for “missing links.”
The persistence of the gaps in the fossil record — though often denied in debate — is sufficiently serious that the late Steven Jay
Gould (of Harvard), Niles Eldredge et al proposed an alternative to Neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory: Punctuated Equilibrium.
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Of course, the conclusions of such arguments may still happen to be true, by lucky coincidence
— but we have no rational grounds for relying on the “reasoning” that has led us to feel that we
have “proved” them. And, if our materialist friends then say: “But, we can always apply
scientific tests, through observation, experiment and measurement,” then we must note that to
demonstrate that such tests provide empirical support to their theories requires the use of the very
process of reasoning which they have discredited!
Thus, evolutionary materialism reduces reason itself to the status of illusion. But, immediately,
that includes “Materialism.” For instance, Marxists commonly deride opponents for their
“bourgeois class conditioning” — but what of the effect of their own class origins? Freudians
frequently dismiss qualms about their loosening of moral restraints by alluding to the impact of
strict potty training on their “up-tight” critics — but doesn’t this cut both ways? And, should we
not simply ask a Behaviourist whether s/he is simply another operantly conditioned rat trapped in
the cosmic maze?
In the end, materialism is based on self-defeating logic, and only survives because people often
fail (or, sometimes, refuse) to think through just what their beliefs really mean.
As a further consequence, materialism can have no basis, other than arbitrary or whimsical
choice and balances of power in the community, for determining what is to be accepted as True
or False, Good or Evil. So, Morality, Truth, Meaning, and, at length, Man, are dead.
As Francis Schaeffer and others have so ably pointed out, this inner contradiction explains
modern man's dilemma and confusion. For, his soul — created by God, our real Maker — tells
such a man that he is significant, but what he thinks he knows tells him that he is nothing but a
random bit of rubbish cast up by an ultimately chaotic and purposeless universe. He therefore
knows not which to believe, and so lives under a cloud of hopeless despair, "a double-minded
man, unstable in all his ways.”
It is consequently no surprise to detect the consistent theme that all of reality is ultimately
meaningless in modern and post-modern Literature, in contemporary Philosophy, and in the Arts
generally. Equally unsurprisingly, when materialistic evolutionary frameworks are applied to
academic/professional disciplines such as Psychology, Sociology, Anthropology, Linguistics,
Economics, Management, or Media and Communication, it is the implications of materialism
that invariably are the root of anti-Christian bias.
In Law, Government, and Public Policy, the same bitter seed has shot up the idea that "Right"
and "Wrong" are simply arbitrary social conventions. This has often led to the adoption of
hypocritical, inconsistent, futile and self-destructive public policies.
"Truth is dead," so Education has become a power struggle; the victors have the right to
propagandise the next generation as they please. Media power games simply extend this cynical
manipulation from the school and the campus to the street, the office, the factory, the church and
the home.
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Further, since family structures and rules of sexual morality are "simply accidents of history,"
one is free to force society to redefine family values and principles of sexual morality to suit
one's preferences.
Finally, life itself is meaningless and valueless, so the weak, sick, defenceless and undesirable —
for whatever reason — can simply be slaughtered, whether in the womb, in the hospital, or in the
death camp.
In short, ideas sprout roots, shoot up into all aspects of life, and have consequences in the real
world. Paul therefore aptly summarises the bitter fruit of dismissing God from our thoughts:
since they did not think it worth while to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over
to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every
kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife,
deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and
boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless,
faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who
do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also
approve those who practice them. [Rom. 1:28 - 32; cf. 18 - 27, which shows the
significance of widespread sexual perversions in a culture.]
However, since evolutionary materialism has become the orthodoxy of the academic community
and that of many policy-makers and opinion leaders, it is often simply embedded in the
foundation of contemporary academic discourse, public discussion of issues, and the policymaking
and implementing process.
Therefore, educated Christians must learn how to unearth these hidden assumptions, and then to expose the resulting contradictions, foolish policy recommendations and their likely bitter fruit.22
Once that is done, we can then set about separating the wheat of sound insight from the chaff of
anti-Christian bias, then work towards a sounder, more sustainable future for our region.


Atheist materialists are bitter fruits?  Strange.  That's the exact mental picture I get when I think of Grammy Mullings: a bitter fruit.



Edit: If I had (cover your eyes, FL) millions and millions of years available to me, I'd go through and try and break actual paragraphs into that gem of a GEM passage, but alas, I'm going to go ahead and actually study something useful instead of babysitting giant walls of text written by anti-materialist Jamaican preacher-terrorists.

Edit edit: just weeks ago, didn't GEM make fun of some woman who filed for a sexual abuse suit because she was a skimpy dresser or some other misogynist shit?  In the above picture Gordon is clearly asking for it.  Somebody should throw him into a bathroom stall and pull a Chris Brown on him, and when he goes to file a law suit tell him to stop actin' a ho.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2009,00:34   

In case KairosFocus should make fuss about his Gordon "Sissy" E Mullings identity again you may point him to his own latest post at Creation: By Design that starts with        
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Ths is a superb apologetical summary from a commentary on the Uncommon Descent site.
and is signed by      
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Gordon Mullings
Kairos Focus

Indeed, exactly what you would do if you want to stay anonyous. What I find even more disturbing though not really surprising is the fact that  both, the "superb summary" and the original "commentary", are authored by KF.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2009,02:30   

"Kairos" has several related christian meanings (the appointed time or the coming of christ), and it is also the name for a christian retreat.  I had thought that was all the reason that Gordon Mullings needed for his pseudonym.  Then I just discovered (and pardon me if everybody but me already knew this) rhetoricians call kairos 'the art of assessing one's audience and adapting one's tone and technique to best get one's point across' (paraphrased from http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/17-09/st_thompson ).  I think that blows out an entire planet-load of irony detectors.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2009,07:02   

Gordon Mullings is fixated on "lab coats". Some sort of fetish I imagine
   
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Nor does it disestablish the evident facts regarding Weasel 1986. Nor does such “shut up!” rhetoric change the fact that there is an a priori evolutionary materialist neo-magisterium, duly vested in lab coats, that has clearly seized control of key science institutions such as the US NAS. Nor, does it change the fact that hey are pushing materialism under the false colours of science [even seeking to redefine "science" to suit their agenda], while actually falling into reduction to absurdity, e.g. as we see from Mr Lewontin’s “science as the only begetter of truth” — a self-refuting knowledge claim in epistemology not science.

And does it seem to anybody else that Gordon has got some sort of messiah complex going? That he's here to save us? Does he see himself as a "itinerant evangelist"?
   
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PPS: And those who are taking “turn the other cheek” out of context above — BTW, this is specifically a Saul Alinski Rules for Radicals Communist agitator tactic — should remember that it is arguable that TWICE [and certainly at least once], the itinerant evangelist who said that, drove abusive moneychangers out of the Temple in Jerusalem, with a certain shocking implement in hand, which he plaited himself and at minimum brandished threateningly. He did it to protest abuse of key public institutions in service to powerful agendas. (In short, as SB has observed, all too many today struggle with context. Being one not easily provoked into a fight through personal insult is different from the need to challenge and correct — if necessary forcefully — public abuses publicly. [As another comparison, another famous C1 evangelist, when unjustly seized, whipped and gaoled in Phillipi, on the morrow refused to leave town quietly; standing on his rights as a Roman citizen and insisting that public wrong be publicly corrected instead of being left to spread its poison by remaining uncorrected.])

Does Gordon really think he's correcting a public wrong by insisting on "Explicitly latched Weasel" as a legitimate interpretation of Weasel?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2009,08:03   

Gordon Mullings' ravings sound like antecedent justifications for violence.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2009,08:14   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 13 2009,09:03)
Gordon Mullings' ravings sound like antecedent justifications for violence.

that, my good sir, is exactly what this raving lunatic desires.  

and THAT is why fighting the tards on their own turf is crucial to the future of civilization.

ok maybe that is his rhetorical game and not mine.

but i would like to see gordon mullings fight atmospheric friction from orbit.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2009,08:29   

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but i would like to see gordon mullings fight atmospheric friction from orbit.

I'd rather see him hospitalized and treated, before it ends badly:



or worsely:



 
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2009,08:56   

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Cornelius Hunter:

Read more

Someone teach Cornelius Hunter how to link. The link should be to here:

http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2009....re.html

By pointing the link to his home page, in a few days, the link will become a non sequitur. It's not a typo. He does it every time.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2009,09:08   

Someone teach Zachriel how to read. It looks like Ilion has already schooled Cornelius.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2009,13:06   

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(Mandatory government health warning: This comment contains analogy. Analogies are not suitable for children under the age of 12 except under the supervision of an adult. The drawing of a sound analogy between naturalistic evolution and Ptolemaic astronomy does not in itself constitute evidence that naturalistic evolution is false, or an assertion to that effect. Analogies can go down as well as up.)


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2009,15:20   

Joseph in the same thread:  
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"    Common descent leads to the positive prediction that the history of life would show a hierarchy of development while separate descent would not."

Except that evolution does NOT have a direction so in reality no such hierarchy was ever predicted.

That whooshing sound you heard was Joseph missing the point.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2009,15:32   

Quote (keiths @ Sep. 11 2009,22:51)
   
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GEM of Riki-Tiki lives in Jamaica

I thought KF was from Montserrat.

He's a native Jamaican who lives in Montserrat.

God told me KF lives in Jamaica in a dream.  Now who you gonna believe?  Your fallible human "sources" or something I dreamed God told me?  

Consider carefully before you answer lest you and bfish wind up in the ID section of hell, which reeketh with the stench of straw men soaked in the flaming oil of ad hominem, which you just can't ever get out of your clothes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2009,18:25   

This should get lots of use in this thread:



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2009,19:38   

Is the $2.69 price tag indicative of how much it costs to attain an education in Pop-Tard?  Someone should Photoshop a picture of Kent Hovind holding up that sign in front of Patriot U.

I like the phrase, though; it almost sounds like a bona fide major.  Or maybe it could be short for Popular Tard, like Pop Music or Pop Art.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2009,19:42   

Cornelius Hunter reports predicts...  
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Thousands of DNA segments have been found to be nearly identical across a wide range of species including human, mouse, rat, dog, chicken and fish. Evolutionary theory expected no such high similarity for species that are supposed to have been evolving independently for hundreds of millions of years. The only explanation could be a super strong functional constraint requiring the very unusual similarities, but none was found


I've only read the abstract of the paper to which he refers. It states:  
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We propose that the cis-regulatory inputs identified by CNEs arose during the re-wiring of regulatory interactions that occurred during early animal evolution. Consequently, different animal groups, with different core GRNs, contain alternative sets of CNEs. Due to the subsequent stability of animal body plans, these core regulatory sequences have been evolving in parallel under strong purifying selection in different animal groups.
. This suggests to me that certain B I G changes to body plans etc. were laid down in the (pre) cambrian and that you don't mess around with these changes in organisms which rely rather heavily on them.   Cornelius seems to think that a modification which will produce mammalian offspring without, say, bones  should be equally likely to succeed as one which makes one individual have slightly darker skin or differently colored hair. He backs this up with a website of Evolution's" predictions, written by one Cornelius Hunter.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2009,03:52   

Cornelius Hunter is turning into a real asshole.            
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After all, there are no fossil rabbits in the ancient strata. That's right, no rabbits before the Cambrian era. Astonishing, evolution must be true.

After this extreme example of the fallacy of affirming the consequent ...
The actual words of the article:            
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When asked what observation would disprove the theory of evolution, J.B.S. Haldane, a pioneering British geneticist, replied: “Fossil rabbits in the Precambrian era.” But such anachronisms have never been found.
That's not "affirming the consequent".  It's listing an observation that could disprove the theory of evolution and noting that this and other such anachronisms have never been found.  PHILOSOPHY FAIL

   
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Cornelius: "But the best is saved until last. As always, the real proof is the religious evidence. As the review proclaims:"
 
[The article lists laryngeal nerves that are routed perfectly for fish, but have to take long detours in creatures with necks, including a fifteen foot detour in giraffes, trees that would work perfectly well if they were lower, but which are forced to grow tall to prevent other trees from shading them, futility and suffering in the world such as the ichneumon wasp whose larve eat living caterpillars]  

Cornelius's reply: "With religious arguments like these who needs scientific evidence?"


Then, in the comments section, we find:          
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Corny: "There are multitudes of examples of similarities amongst the species that do not fit the evolutionary pattern."

Bob O'H: "Such as?"

Corny: "Incredible. This shows how far evolutionary misinformation and misrepresentation has penetrated science. If you really want science rather than dogma then you'll have to look at the evidence. Try any life science library. If that is not convenient, here are some links for starters:


http://www.darwinspredictions.com/#_4.2_Genomes_of

http://www.darwinspredictions.com/#_4.3_Genomes_of"


Timcol: "do you not accept that there is pain and suffering in the animal kingdom?"

Corny: "Yes, I accept that."

Timcol: "what is YOUR explanation of this phenomena?"

Corny: "Evolutionists use this question as a protectionist device. They believe evolution is a fact, and when faced with the absurdity of their claims they switch the subject. There is little point to discussing *my* idea with folks who are either lying, in denial, or unbelievably ignorant about science."

Timcol: "Huh? I write 3-4 sentences and from this you conclude I might be lying, in denial or ignorant about science?"

Corny: "How did you conclude that? I made it clear I was referring to evolutionists."

Boo: "You appear to be confusing criticism of the claims of Intelligent Design with evidence for evolution. The Economist is not a scientific journal presenting the results of studies. It is a popular magazine presenting a book review."

Corny: "No, I'm not the one confusing the criticism. This is a classic evolutionary cunard.(sic) The evolutionist gives his religious pronouncements and then is shocked when it is pointed out. What me?

If you think the religion is contrived by pop media such as the Economist, then you are not familiar with evolution."


I quit reading there.  This guy is turning into a Dembski class asshole.

Edit: Typo

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2009,05:53   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 14 2009,03:52)
Cornelius Hunter is turning into a real asshole.

Then, in the comments section, we find:              
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Corny: "There are multitudes of examples of similarities amongst the species that do not fit the evolutionary pattern."

Bob O'H: "Such as?"

Corny: "Incredible. This shows how far evolutionary misinformation and misrepresentation has penetrated science. If you really want science rather than dogma then you'll have to look at the evidence. Try any life science library. If that is not convenient, here are some links for starters:


http://www.darwinspredictions.com/#_4.2_Genomes_of

http://www.darwinspredictions.com/#_4.3_Genomes_of"



I briefly looked at those links, but won't have time to read the referenced papers until later this week.  Taking as a given that Creationists lie, that Intelligent Design Creationists lie even more than members of their parent species, and that they tend to repeat their lies, has anyone already fisked darwinspredictions.com?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2009,06:40   

Bob O'H was not impressed with those references either.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2009,07:25   

We can't emphasize enough. Please do not follow the link without protective gear. Kairosfocus admits error.

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Buried in the footnotes of a nine thousand word, seven comment screed (this after hundreds of posts over many weeks).

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Onlookers:
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Commentary
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II
 A-E (1-4), F-I
 PS
Corrective Remarks
 1-3
Some further, corrective footnotes
 1-6, 8, 12-16, 7
 PS
 PS
 PPS
Footnotes
 1-2 (a-f), 3-7
Follow up
 1-11


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kairosfocus: I stand corrected on this.

Of course, he's not really wrong.

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kairosfocus: In short, the M & D model in part E of the paper is correctable in principle.

It's not only correctable, but correctable *in principle*, which kairosfocus proves in the Follow up 1-11.

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kairosfocus: 11] Which was what was to be explained, per showcased run excerpts circa 1986.

Q.E.D.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2009,08:05   

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Cornelius Hunter is turning into a real asshole.            

Turning?

This guy's just another Wells.

I wouldn't believe either of them if they told me the sun rises in the east each morning.

Anything that don't check out against their religious beliefs gets tossed or trashed.

I don't care what their qualifications are.  That ain't science and they ain't scientists,

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2009,08:47   

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This is a classic evolutionary cunard.(sic)


... as evidenced by these typical materialists. Please note the slogan, which emphasises the [semi] pointlessness of faith-unimbued existence.




Acute paranoiacs Fox-watchers will note the name of the sixth liner at the bottom. This proves it's all part of a librul conspiracy.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2009,09:16   

Beautiful Poster - makes me proud to be a materialist - but I don't even see a mention of Noah's Ark.  

BTW - Your new Sig Line though is pretty damn scarry.

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2009,09:27   

The funny thing about Corny is that, if he follows his own logic:

1) Evolutionary theory is religious bc it refutes creationist claims
2) All of the half-baked ID methods involve eliminating the possibility of some structure evolving as per evolutionary theory
3) therefore as per 1), all ID is religious.

the other funny thing is that he makes a living writing (and teaching classes on the biophysics of Jesus at Biola), yet can't seem to string coherent sentences together. if he and O'Leary had a child I don't think it would even be able to communicate that it was hungry.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2009,10:05   

Quote (J-Dog @ Sep. 14 2009,17:16)
Beautiful Poster - makes me proud to be a materialist - but I don't even see a mantion of Noah's Ark.  

BTW - Your new Sig Line though is pretty damn scarry.

Ah yes the good old days
Brylcreem, Capstan Navy Cut Cigarettes & Garter Belts.

When going down and having a gay time.... meant actually going down and having a gay time.

When children spoke when spoken too and the beetles were pests.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2009,11:45   

Cornelius Hunter is asked
 
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What do you find to be the most compelling evidence supporting ID which is not just a critique of evolution?

His answer?
 
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the language one finds scientists using is strong support for ID. Here are some typical examples:

He then provides a paragraph of text with words like build bolded. The usual.

Then:
 
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The fact that so many writers use design language is good evidence that certain features are best explained by an intelligent cause.

And this is the best evidence he has!

What a deluded viewpoint. Link

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2009,12:19   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 14 2009,11:45)
Cornelius Hunter is asked
   
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What do you find to be the most compelling evidence supporting ID which is not just a critique of evolution?

His answer?
   
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the language one finds scientists using is strong support for ID. Here are some typical examples:

He then provides a paragraph of text with words like build bolded. The usual.

Then:
   
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The fact that so many writers use design language is good evidence that certain features are best explained by an intelligent cause.

And this is the best evidence he has!

What a deluded viewpoint. Link

Yeah... I'm just not gonna believe he's serious though until he PULLS OUT THE ALL CAPS!!! and exclamation points like a real believer.

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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