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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2010,18:46   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Nov. 19 2010,22:19)
I've been reading Mikey Behe's little whine over at Evo Snooze and is it only me or is Mikey starting to sound like JAD.

Hey, you evotards!  Get off my lawn!  How do you like them dingleberries?

It could be that Behe, like JAD, hasn't done science for so long that his imagination and reality have merged.  You showed 'em, Mikey, you was a real contendah!

I saw little Mikey Pantsonfire in person a few years ago.

It's not just you.

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2010,17:50   

Casey Luskin has an orgasm.

Peer-Reviewed Research Paper on Plant Biology Favorably Cites Intelligent Design and Challenges Darwinian Evolution

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afarensis



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2010,19:51   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Dec. 29 2010,17:50)
Casey Luskin has an orgasm.

Peer-Reviewed Research Paper on Plant Biology Favorably Cites Intelligent Design and Challenges Darwinian Evolution

The paper Luskin is talking about can be found here. It cites, among others, Dembski, Meyer, Sanford, Axe, Behe, Berlinski, and Remine...

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2010,23:24   

afarensis:
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It cites, among others, Dembski, Meyer, Sanford, Axe, Behe, Berlinski, and Remine...

In addition Lönnig again cites his own work published by the Naturwissenschaftlicher Verlag Köln. Of course he doesn't mention that this "publishing house" belongs to him and shares his postal address.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2011,21:12   

These clowns seriously put a picture of Indiana Jones on their homepage to advertize Flannery's Wallace drivel.


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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2011,21:54   

Quote (sparc @ Jan. 28 2011,21:12)
These clowns seriously put a picture of Indiana Jones on their homepage to advertize Flannery's Wallace drivel.

They couldn't find a photo of Madame Blavatsky?

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2011,05:27   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ Jan. 28 2011,21:54)
Quote (sparc @ Jan. 28 2011,21:12)
These clowns seriously put a picture of Indiana Jones on their homepage to advertize Flannery's Wallace drivel.

They couldn't find a photo of Madame Blavatsky?

Old Madame B has been a regular poster on ID related sites since the old days of Overwhelming Evidence. She seems to be an ID supporter...

Seems to be...

Madame B, PM me :)

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2011,03:43   

Max Andrew reports on "The C.S. Lewis Fellows Program on Science and Society" of the Discovery Institute's Summer Seminar on Intelligent Design. Unfortunately, he is not telling any details which should not be surprising since he is a theology student at Liberty University.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2011,05:29   

Alan of Stand to Reason who joined the 2009 Discovery Institute's Summer Seminar on Intelligent Design was surprised when he saw the amount of material he received before the meeting.
According to the reading list the DI didn't include any material that could have been useful for teaching anything like a controversy.
The 2011 seminar has already been announced. Volunteers?

According to the picture the reading list consists of:

Books
M. Behe: Science and Evidence for Design in the Universe
J. West: Darwin Day in America
D.S. Goodsell: The Machinery of Life
W.A. Dembski: The Design Revolution
R. Stark: For the Glory of God
L. Smolin: Trouble with Physics
J.A. Campbel and S.C. Meyers (eds): Darwinism Design and Public Education
J. Wells: The Politcal Incorrect Guide to Darwinism and Intelligent Design
R. Stannard: Relativity -  A very short introduction
J.C. Polkinghorne: Quantum Theory -  A very short introduction
S.C. Meyer, S. Minnich, J. Moneymaker, and P.A. Nelson: Explore Evolution
Source Packet for the Seminar on ID in the Natural Sciences
The Theory of Intelligent Design – A Briefing Packet for Educators

Articles
D. A. Axe, "Estimating the Prevalence of Protein Sequences Adopting Functional Enzyme Folds," Journal of Molecular Biology, Vol. 341 (2004): 1295-1315
(the other three articles in the picture cannot be identified)

DVDs
Unlocking the Mystery of Life
Icons of Evolution
The Priviledged Planet


Not too much biology.

(ETA for spelling mistakes)

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2011,10:12   

Wow!  Cutting edge science all the way!

UnICOrNs of Evolution. (Can't spell Unicorn without icons!)

For The Glory Of God (Science All The Way!!!111)

The Privileged Planet (Now outdated by the new privileged planet discoveries. Planets. Plural.)

But where oh where is Denyse's Spatula Brain?

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2011,12:58   

Quote (sparc @ Feb. 13 2011,06:29)
Alan of Stand to Reason who joined the 2009 Discovery Institute's Summer Seminar on Intelligent Design was surprised when he saw the amount of material he received before the meeting.
According to the reading list the DI didn't include any material that could have been useful for teaching anything like a controversy.
The 2011 seminar has already been announced. Volunteers?

According to the picture the reading list consists of:

Books
M. Behe: Science and Evidence for Design in the Universe
J. West: Darwin Day in America
D.S. Goodsell: The Machinery of Life
W.A. Dembski: The Design Revolution
R. Stark: For the Glory of God
L. Smolin: Trouble with Physics
J.A. Campbel and S.C. Meyers (eds): Darwinism Design and Public Education
J. Wells: The Politcal Incorrect Guide to Darwinism and Intelligent Design
R. Stannard: Relativity -  A very short introduction
J.C. Polkinghorne: Quantum Theory -  A very short introduction
S.C. Meyer, S. Minnich, J. Moneymaker, and P.A. Nelson: Explore Evolution
Source Packet for the Seminar on ID in the Natural Sciences
The Theory of Intelligent Design – A Briefing Packet for Educators

Articles
D. A. Axe, "Estimating the Prevalence of Protein Sequences Adopting Functional Enzyme Folds," Journal of Molecular Biology, Vol. 341 (2004): 1295-1315
(the other three articles in the picture cannot be identified)

DVDs
Unlocking the Mystery of Life
Icons of Evolution
The Priviledged Planet


Not too much biology.

(ETA for spelling mistakes)

That briefing packet list of favorable reviews is a study in quote mining.

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Sol3a1



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2011,13:41   

Quote (sparc @ Feb. 13 2011,05:29)

This part:
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The Theory of Intelligent Design – A Briefing Packet for Educators
I actually printed off and I swear that is where of lot of the ID/YEC crowd is using for their "we have evidence that destroy Evilution" crap.

The quote mining in the document, well if it were to be used on anymore trapped Chilean miners, they won't be trapped in a few minutes.

  
olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2011,08:51   

Heads up!

The comment section is open on Casey Luskin's article Lobbyists Resort to Myth Information Campaign on Academic Freedom Legislation. Let the fun begin.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2011,08:57   

Careful, fire danger is high!

Giant field of strawmen.

They sets 'em up and they knocks 'em down.

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2011,09:11   

Quote (afarensis @ Dec. 30 2010,03:51)
Quote (Dr.GH @ Dec. 29 2010,17:50)
Casey Luskin has an orgasm.

Peer-Reviewed Research Paper on Plant Biology Favorably Cites Intelligent Design and Challenges Darwinian Evolution

The paper Luskin is talking about can be found here. It cites, among others, Dembski, Meyer, Sanford, Axe, Behe, Berlinski, and Remine...

Berlinski's other half seems to be missing from that list....

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2011,10:43   

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 23 2011,08:51)
Heads up!

The comment section is open on Casey Luskin's article Lobbyists Resort to Myth Information Campaign on Academic Freedom Legislation. Let the fun begin.

We'll see how well Casey and Bill's Nixplanatory Filter seperates and deals with the comments of "real" IDCists, Poes and Puppets.

Stay tuned for what I suspect will be a fun blend of all three.

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2011,13:44   

Anyone betting that any critical comments will appear at all?

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2011,13:51   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 23 2011,13:44)
Anyone betting that any critical comments will appear at all?

I have dropped in several times today, and there are no comments of any kind.  Rather surprising that Lacey Buskin hasn't even posted her usual plaudits and roses for Casey.

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2011,15:09   

http://www.evolutionnews.org/comment-policy.html

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Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2011,16:44   

Meh....let the creepy bastard hear the crickets chirping. Not unlike Mullings over at UD theres something satisfying about IDiots penning page after page of drivel and attracting zero response for their efforts.

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2011,12:14   

Friends!  Do you have an old, unloved and unwanted and perhaps banned by UD Sock Puppet? * Well...

NOW IS THE TIME to do a little spring cleaning, and restore all the lustor and charm that your puppet once exhibited!  You can do it for science, and it will cost everybody's favorite waste of money - The Discovery Institute - even more money to try and get money out of you - as they will mail you expensive requests for money at least 4-6 times a year.  

And Now It's Here!

My Brand New DI Spring 2011 Begging For Money Mailer!

Onlookers, I URGE you all to get your puppet(s) to get signed up on the DI mailing list ASAP.  Even though they have big money backers, and a laughable, and probably illegal non-profit tax ID #, the DI still has to pay someone to run off the 4-color shiney paper crapola supreme Lying For Jesus mailings that they send out.

So sign up now and you can get your very own C.S. Lewis Fellow Program mailer, and your very own 2011 Summer Seminar on ID!  DO IT NOW!

Make the D I spend their money uselessly.  It's the least you can do.

So go to their website, sign your puppet up, and have that lovely expensive mail sent to either your address, or that of a local favorite sports team or funeral parlor.  



* this is so obviously a joke, so shut up about it Casey.  Nobody here would ever, ever, ever, ever, do anything as crass, childish and as much fun as to actually do this.

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2011,08:07   

Hey, John West!

It's not always about you or the DI.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2011,10:13   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 23 2011,16:07)
Hey, John West!

It's not always about you or the DI.

HEY I'M OFFENDED "shoddy ensemble"  INDEED?

WHY WASTE A PERFECTLY GOOD BOUQUET LIKE THAT ON THOSE SNIVELLING SCIENTIFIC DEFICIT ZEALOTS OVER AT THE DI?

NEXT TIME THINK OF US!!

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paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2011,01:52   

Dr Egnor re-invents egnorance.
from the start:
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Turing, a mathematician and a pioneer in computer science, proposed that it would someday be possible for a sufficiently advanced computer to think and to have some form of consciousness.

from the Wikipedia article Egnor references from the start:
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Rather than trying to determine if a machine is thinking, Turing suggests we should ask if the machine can win a game, called the "Imitation Game".

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Turing is no longer asking whether a machine can "think"; he is asking whether a machine can act indistinguishably [6] from the way a thinker acts.

Egnor at the end:
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The Turing test is a test of whether human beings have succumbed to the astonishingly naive hubris that we can create souls.

It's such irony that the first personal computer was an Apple.

same Wiki article, under section 'Nine common objections':
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"In attempting to construct such machines," wrote Turing, "we should not be irreverently usurping His power of creating souls, any more than we are in the procreation of children: rather we are, in either case, instruments of His will providing mansions for the souls that He creates."

(full text of Turing's paper 'Computing Machinery and Intelligence')
and the first personal computer? Columbia Univ says the IBM 610 Auto-Point Computer (1957), others say the Altair 8800 (1971)

I declare IRONY FAIL!

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2011,10:44   

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Turing is no longer asking whether a machine can "think"; he is asking whether a machine can act indistinguishably [6] from the way a thinker acts.

Um. And does he make any suggestion as to how else one figures out if a machine (or a person, for that matter), is thinking, other that simply by what problems it can solve or at least address?

On second thought, never mind.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2011,11:07   

Quote (Henry J @ April 01 2011,10:44)
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Turing is no longer asking whether a machine can "think"; he is asking whether a machine can act indistinguishably [6] from the way a thinker acts.

Um. And does he make any suggestion as to how else one figures out if a machine (or a person, for that matter), is thinking, other that simply by what problems it can solve or at least address?

On second thought, never mind.

Henry

Weigh the computer while it is running, then turn it off and weigh it again.  If it weighs less when it is off, then it has a soul, and therefore is actually thinking.  Simple, really!

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2011,11:10   

That doesn't compute!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2011,13:42   

If it weighs less than a duck, it's a witch.

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Badger3k



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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2011,22:30   

Quote (Henry J @ April 01 2011,11:10)
That doesn't compute!

I have this image of a broken Dalek, spewing smoke and sparks, with "UD" on it, repeating endlessly "InTardiate" (or would "IDTardiate" be a better fit).

Sorry, just came to mind.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 02 2011,08:20   

Quote (Badger3k @ April 01 2011,22:30)
Quote (Henry J @ April 01 2011,11:10)
That doesn't compute!

I have this image of a broken Dalek, spewing smoke and sparks, with "UD" on it, repeating endlessly "InTardiate" (or would "IDTardiate" be a better fit).

Sorry, just came to mind.

Or the Dalek saying "Expellllllled!" or "Endodgenate!"

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