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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2012,08:59   

And science.

As you believe, KF, that you have the truth on your side the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of fair play should be sufficient for you to make a convincing case.

I'll even hold off on the sneers and snark.

Perhaps we could start with something other then evolution/origins, to see how it goes?

I recently quoted you as saying:

 
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Have the authors carefully evaluated the failure rate of so-called 'safer sex'? Have they reviewed the mounting evidence that abstinence-based sex education is working, precisely by helping teens to reject the kind of pressure their articles exemplify?


Would you care to provide details on the "mounting evidence" that abstinence-based sex education works? This is a well studied area and so it should be possible to come to a mutually agreeable conclusion based on the scientific evidence.

Obviously I'm going to take the position that actual sex education produces more positive results (less STD, less pregnancy) then abstinence-based sex education alone.

So what say you KF? Yes, I'll even call you KF in this thread.....

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2012,09:12   

I would definitely like in on this.  KF has ignored my numerous requests to discuss his work on information, complexity, etc.

I have refuted the document he always links to and he hasn't changed the document nor explained why my refutations are incorrect.

I know that he thinks they are incorrect, but he has failed to provide evidence or even math to support his belief.  And belief without evidence is faith... which is not science.

I too will be exceedingly polite.  I do request that he operate in good faith.  I will be perfectly happy answering his questions as long as he reciprocates.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2012,15:41   

He's not coming to the 'malarial swamp':

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-426282

Enjoy your loyalty-test enforced echo chamber, KF. Keep hiding from the light!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2012,17:32   

Why would you think that a cockroach would come out during the day?

Teen pregnancy rates are highest in "Abstinence Only" states, and lowest in comprehensive sex education states. STD rates are the same or higher in "Abstinence Only" states" as in states with no sex ed at all.

"Abstinence-Only Education and Teen Pregnancy Rates: Why We Need Comprehensive Sex Education in the U.S" Stanger-Hall KF, Hall DW (2011) PLoS ONE 6(10): e24658. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0024658

"Abstinence Only vs. Comprehensive Sex Education:
What are the arguments?
What is the evidence?"

AIDS Research Institute University of California, San Francisco Policy Monograph Series – March 2002

"After the promise: the STD consequences of adolescent virginity pledges" Hannah Brückner, and Peter Bearman, Journal of Adolescent Health 36 (2005) 271–278

"Abstinence-Only and Comprehensive Sex Education and the Initiation of Sexual Activity and Teen Pregnancy" Pamela K. Kohler, Lisa E. Manhart, and William E. Lafferty, Journal of Adolescent Health 42 (2008) 344–351

Edited by Dr.GH on June 11 2012,15:52

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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2012,18:17   

Never let the facts, etc...

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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2012,21:53   

"Abstinence-Only Education" strikes me as an oxymoron.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2012,09:36   

Quote (Dr.GH @ June 11 2012,23:32)
Why would you think that a cockroach would come out during the day?

Teen pregnancy rates are highest in "Abstinence Only" states, and lowest in comprehensive sex education states. STD rates are the same or higher in "Abstinence Only" states" as in states with no sex ed at all.

"Abstinence-Only Education and Teen Pregnancy Rates: Why We Need Comprehensive Sex Education in the U.S" Stanger-Hall KF, Hall DW (2011) PLoS ONE 6(10): e24658. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0024658

"Abstinence Only vs. Comprehensive Sex Education:
What are the arguments?
What is the evidence?"

AIDS Research Institute University of California, San Francisco Policy Monograph Series – March 2002

"After the promise: the STD consequences of adolescent virginity pledges" Hannah Brückner, and Peter Bearman, Journal of Adolescent Health 36 (2005) 271–278

"Abstinence-Only and Comprehensive Sex Education and the Initiation of Sexual Activity and Teen Pregnancy" Pamela K. Kohler, Lisa E. Manhart, and William E. Lafferty, Journal of Adolescent Health 42 (2008) 344–351

Yes, I seem to remember a report or study about how a more biblical approach to sex ed had led to more anal sex - as a way of avoiding breaking the pledge.

I mentioned this to my wife, who mumbled something about silly religious folk, the bible and not understanding the relevant passages...

Yes, I said - relevant passage is the operative word.

...

It took her quite a long time to stop laughing . ..

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2012,14:56   

Quote (BillB @ June 12 2012,07:36)
Yes, I seem to remember a report or study about how a more biblical approach to sex ed had led to more anal sex - as a way of avoiding breaking the pledge.

I mentioned this to my wife, who mumbled something about silly religious folk, the bible and not understanding the relevant passages...

Yes, I said - relevant passage is the operative word.

...

It took her quite a long time to stop laughing . ..

:p
Ah, but the passages to happiness are many and varied.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2012,00:56   

I'm sure Kairosfocus would have no issues with debating any of you fine gentleman over at Uncommon Descent. After all, he's been thoroughly destroying design-deniers there for years now.

Why don't you bring the fight to him, rather than begging and pleading that he come to you?

Have you been banned at Uncommon Descent?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2012,01:13   

Quote (Dr. Jammer @ June 14 2012,17:56)
Have you been banned at Uncommon Descent?

You really don't pay attention, do you?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2012,01:26   

Quote (Ptaylor @ June 14 2012,02:13)
You really don't pay attention, do you?


That was a rhetorical, taunting question; I know this board is filled with design-denying trolls who've been banned, many of them repeatedly, from Uncommon Descent. I kind of like to tease you weirdos over it. :p

With that said, no, I don't pay much attention to this stinkhole. I feel sorry for anyone who does. Thankfully, that would be very few people, according to Alexa page ranks. :D

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2012,01:50   

Quote (Dr. Jammer @ June 14 2012,01:26)
Quote (Ptaylor @ June 14 2012,02:13)
You really don't pay attention, do you?


That was a rhetorical, taunting question; I know this board is filled with design-denying trolls who've been banned, many of them repeatedly, from Uncommon Descent. I kind of like to tease you weirdos over it. :p

With that said, no, I don't pay much attention to this stinkhole. I feel sorry for anyone who does. Thankfully, that would be very few people, according to Alexa page ranks. :D



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2012,02:43   

dr. jammer, KF (gordon elliott mullings) is too much a sniveling coward to come here and face the direct, crushing defeat that would easily be dealt to his insane, incoherent, ignorant, dishonest, sanctimonious, rambling sermons. UD, not this site, is the one that bans people simply for disagreeing with them, which shows just how fearful you IDiots are. You god zombies must realize how wrong and delusional you are, otherwise you'd have confidence in your 'position' and would be eager to welcome challengers on UD and all the other IDiot sites that censor opposition. It must be terrible to live in so much darkness and fear. You poor babies.

You even ran away from the thread that was set up for you here, just as gordo is doing. Running away is a major part of the modus operandi for you IDiots, isn't it? I wonder why your designer god didn't give you any confidence and courage? Maybe you need to get down on your knees and beg for some. I'm sure that that subservient 'position' is very familiar to you.

BOO!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2012,07:33   

Quote (Dr. Jammer @ June 14 2012,00:56)
I'm sure Kairosfocus would have no issues with debating any of you fine gentleman over at Uncommon Descent. After all, he's been thoroughly destroying design-deniers there for years now.

Why don't you bring the fight to him, rather than begging and pleading that he come to you?

Have you been banned at Uncommon Descent?

1) Comments that actually ask questions are *
1a) ignored
1b) deleted from the website
1c) not allowed past moderation
1d) responded to with glib, useless responses that don't actually answer any questions

2) Commentors that ask said questions are
2a) banned
2b) ignored
2c) replied to with ad hominem attacks
2d) directed to old, out-dated websites with no actual information about the question
2e) replied to with stupid analogies that have no bearing on the actual discussion

3) Commentors that point out any of the above are banned

Of course, since you guys actually can't discuss things like information, science, chemistry, etc, that's all you can really do.

I've been trying to have an unmoderated, polite discussion with any ID rep for over 10 years.  No one has stepped up to the plate and actually been willing to discuss ID.  Heck, I can't even find a coherent definition on ID, because everyone seems to have a different version.

Do you have any interest in discussing anything about this here?


* This is not multiple choice, it's all of them

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2012,07:39   

Just out of curiosity,

Do you think it is fundamentally dishonest to say that someone is scared to reply to you, when, that person has actually replied, but had their post deleted and then been banned?

If yes, then take a close look at what happened in UD in Feb.

If no, then there's nothing more to discuss here.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,10:34   

What I don't understand is this.

If KF were to come and debate in this thread then only a few things could possibly happen.

If, as is claimed, they won't come and debate here because it's a swamp then logically their best move would be to come here, debate and then leave because of the "swamp". Then they can point to that event from now till eternity as the reason they don't come here.

But that's never really happened has it?

Even Dr J does not engage, he's too scared.

So if the "darwinists" are unable to argue their case via evidence etc then the best possible thing that can happen for ID is for KF, Joe etc to come here and crush us with the evidence for ID. And again they can then point to that as evidence for their claims that there is no evidence supporting "darwinism" - they came, asked for it, destroyed it with logic and evidence and left leaving the thread a testament to ID.

But this never seems to happen. So like Judge Judy says, if something does not make sense it's probably not true.

So what's the "something" here then......

KF, once you have "dealt" with your ongoing crisis perhaps you'll take some time out to empirically ground one or more of your claims. After all, if you really believe you have the evidence on your side you can't lose can you? If I'm mean to you, you win and you win otherwise as you have all the evidence for your claims, right?

So it's win/win KF!

So what are you waiting for?

Logic dictates you make your case!

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,11:10   

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But this never seems to happen. So like Judge Judy says, if something does not make sense it's probably not true.



Does quantum mechanics make sense? ;)

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,11:16   

Quote (Henry J @ June 25 2012,11:10)
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But this never seems to happen. So like Judge Judy says, if something does not make sense it's probably not true.



Does quantum mechanics make sense? ;)

More sense then one of KF's 10,000 word screeds!

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,12:29   

Quote (Henry J @ June 25 2012,11:10)
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But this never seems to happen. So like Judge Judy says, if something does not make sense it's probably not true.



Does quantum mechanics make sense? ;)

It works. Else there would be no solid state electronics and no computer.

It only fails to make sense when you attempt to reconcile it with ancient and obsolete worldviews.

Sort of like evolution. Its a bitch coming to grips with stochastic and probabilistic models of causation.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2012,13:28   

I *know* you are watching KF, so why not join in?

We can talk about these islands of functionality perhaps?

Name two points on these islands that are isolated. Add how you know this. Add why it matters. Add why that supports ID, specifically. Add how ID explains it better then "it was designed" a.k.a. "don't know".

*BUMP*

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2012,16:21   

We need to update Gordon E Mullings' of Montserrat's Profile - He's not a MONSTER... HE'S A CHICKEN!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2012,19:58   

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We need to update Gordon E Mullings' of Montserrat's Profile - He's not a MONSTER... HE'S A CHICKEN!

And I don't want to hear any shit from him about how it's not polite to speak his real name.

He didn't have a single problem with JoeG spewing my name (and other information) all over UD.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2012,22:53   

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We need to update Gordon E Mullings' of Montserrat's Profile - He's not a MONSTER... HE'S A CHICKEN!

KFC!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2012,05:50   

As we all know, the Kingdom of Heaven is within. In our lord's residence there are many rooms. One of the door signs read RATIO.

Even back in the minds of KF or other ID proponents, that door is not closed. Anders Behring Breivik conditioned himself to ignore that door, but unless the door is jammed shut, a glint of rationality may shine through the darkness and that is what is holding them back: They know they are lost outside a sanctuary.

The thought of going naked out in the open scares them. They have a reason to, and they know it.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2012,11:54   

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BYDAND, n. The motto of the Gordon family; hence, the regimental motto and crest of the Gordon Highlanders. Bydand is the old Sc. pr.p. of Bide, v., and hence means “abiding,” “steadfast.” [?b??d?nd]
   *Bnff.(D) 1918 J. Mitchell Bydand 14:
   Fa wears “Bydand” hauds heech his head.


That sounds like Gordon "coward" Mullings to me.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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