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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2012,13:19   

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900 fucking comments at UD


Most of them are scroll-bys.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2012,13:26   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 01 2012,14:19)
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900 fucking comments at UD


Most of them are scroll-bys.

hell yeah, but what I am getting at is that I suspect they are scrollbies for these hypothetical n00bs, too.

there ain't no accounting for taste, that much I know for sure.  i think i prefer the nasty and brutish tard to this effete evanescent flavor.

it would be worth it though if gpuccio suddenly said "you're right, this is bullshit and I now admit it".  odds on that I give 1:6

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2012,14:16   

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Quote (Cubist @ Sep. 30 2012,19:18)
One in which losing the tard did not entail losing the religion:
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins....03.html

fascinating, that's  exactly the sort of story I had in mind.  But I wonder if rubystar re-tarded.  It would seem so, in this thread

https://groups.google.com/forum......i31HPIJ

   
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It was fallacious of me to take such liberties in the way I assumed Genesis to merely be symbolic. I've learned
that the questions surrounding it are much more complex than that, and require much deeper study. While I still accept evolution as a valid scientific theory and valid subject of study, I regret to think I may have steered others from
properly respecting the very Bible I base my belief system upon. There is symbolism in Genesis, but I no longer
hold many of the same opinions I once did about it as noted in the POTM. I believe there was an Adam now, for example, though I believe he was both a literal person and a symbol of mankind. Other such opinions have also, shall I say, 'evolved'. Please understand that I will continue to pursue the proper way to synthesize good faith and good
science and have and likely will make misjudgements along the way.


however the t.o. essay seems to place Rubystars directly in the camp of "de-tarded because of internetting the tards" although in her[?] case she was the tard who was slaying all those evilutionists.

her comments about athiests in forums and not agreeing that her religious beliefs are irrational make me think that this de-tard thing wasn't permanent.  either way, a very interesting set of links.  Gracias!

Again, and with a nod to both my own story and the story of Mandi's detardation, it may be that rubystar's story is not yet finished. The long, slow process of detarding is one filled with back and forth for some of us.

 
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"No it was very, very gradual. Actually there's not really one single moment where I can look back and say ah, that was the moment. It was kind of a slow progression," Teresa MacBain shared about her loss of faith with CP in a phone interview on Tuesday...

Unable to point to one specific incident that made her change her mind about God and the Bible, MacBain chronicled the train of thought that led her from the Christian faith to her secularist reasoning today.

"It's just theological. I had no problems with the church or the structure or the organization. There are basically four steps that occurred over a long period of time. One was the contradictory nature of the Bible; the lack of scientific or historical foundation or accuracy, which took me a very, very long time to come to terms with. That was the starting point I guess when I realized that that wasn't true, that the Bible wasn't true. From there I moved to thinking about all of the religions in the world and how people basically associate, in most cases, with one religion or another based upon their own culture and how they were raised," she said.

"So I kind of moved into a position where I thought that all religions were equally valid and that it kind of depended on who you were and how you were raised but that we were all on the same journey. From there I moved to the question of the existence of hell and trying to understand how a supreme being could create humans that according to the Christian Bible are very weak and finite, as compared to God. How that creature, being, entity, whatever you want to call it, could punish them eternally in such a horrible and torturous place as hell. So that was kind of a third discovery."

I kind of did the details in approximately the reverse order, but there was a lot of reaching back, grasping at straws of my former tardlife, along my travels from fundy tard to vague tard to woo tard to newageyallreligionsaretrue tard, to tard-free. It's really fucking hard to let go, when you're risking eternal torture, your family ties, the entirety of your social existence. I wouldn't write Rubystar off just yet.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2012,14:19   

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Which raises another interesting question: How many ex-tards relapse?

My gut says, "All of them. Temporarily."

It also says, "Once you realize it's bullshit, you can never go home."

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2012,14:28   

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Quote (keiths @ Sep. 30 2012,20:26)
Which raises another interesting question: How many ex-tards relapse?

My gut says, "All of them. Temporarily."

It also says, "Once you realize it's bullshit, you can never go home."





LOL well i was trying to avoid the generalization "tard= religious beliefs" for lots of reasons

but of course there are many places where religious beliefs intersects tard, and although I don't have religious beliefs I don't think I'll go so far to label all religious beliefs "tard".  

Most tard seems to be an intersection of religious beliefs, theories of identity and cultural inertia.  Also pathological psychoses

Edited by Erasmus, FCD on Oct. 01 2012,15:31

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2012,14:38   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 01 2012,15:28)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 01 2012,15:19)
   
Quote (keiths @ Sep. 30 2012,20:26)
Which raises another interesting question: How many ex-tards relapse?

My gut says, "All of them. Temporarily."

It also says, "Once you realize it's bullshit, you can never go home."





LOL well i was trying to avoid the generalization "tard= religious beliefs" for lots of reasons

but of course there are many places where religious beliefs intersects tard, and although I don't have religious beliefs I don't think I'll go so far to label all religious beliefs "tard".  

Most tard seems to be an intersection of religious beliefs, theories of identity and cultural inertia.  Also pathological psychoses

See, for me there is no real way to separate the two. They are part and parcel of the same thing. Of course, I can't speak for anyone but me, but there y'go.




...and wherever you go, there y'are.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2012,15:25   

Don't you know many people with religious beliefs that are not creationists, under your definition of creationist?

I think "t.a.r.d." as in The Argument Regarding Design is a good descriptor of creationism, and i agree that you could talk me into accepting that it describes most religious beliefs, but I don't think I could agree that it describes all religious beliefs.  

What I have found immensely enjoyable, of late, is that T.A.R.D. also describes the fake climate skeptics.  And they behave the same was as the other creationists.  

I s'pose the best barometer of "Whether internetting tards causes them to de-tard" would be a metric of how many folks abandon creationisms yet don't abandon their religious beliefs altogether.

It's hard to get data on that one.  Easier to find those who have abandoned religious beliefs altogether because they are usually vocal and pissed off about it.  Why de-tards aren't is what is curious.

Edited by Erasmus, FCD on Oct. 01 2012,16:30

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2012,15:27   

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Don't you know many people with religious beliefs that are not creationists, under your definition of creationist?

No.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2012,15:31   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 01 2012,16:27)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 01 2012,16:25)
Don't you know many people with religious beliefs that are not creationists, under your definition of creationist?

No.

so, theistic evolutionists are creationists?

what about john kwoks deity?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2012,15:32   

I'm willing to include the folks who wish to save the phenomenon by appending "because God said so" to the end of every scientific explanation, because they don't deny the explanation.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2012,16:27   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 01 2012,13:25)
What I have found immensely enjoyable, of late, is that T.A.R.D. also describes the fake climate skeptics.  And they behave the same was as the other creationists.  

Many of them are the other creationists.

It's crank magnetism: if you can't understand and/or bring political/cultural filters to one area of science, you'll you'll do it others.  Look how many outbreaks of UFO/Turin Shroud/altmed/... nonsense we see on UD.

Tard comes in clusters.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2012,16:38   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 01 2012,16:31)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 01 2012,16:27)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 01 2012,16:25)
Don't you know many people with religious beliefs that are not creationists, under your definition of creationist?

No.

so, theistic evolutionists are creationists?

what about john kwoks deity?

That wasn't the question.

You asked if I knew many people with religious beliefs that are not creationists.

The answer to that question hinges on my definition of "many" as well as "creationist".

As for the kwokinator, specifically, I don't know his thoughts on deities. I just know enough to file him under "stupid, dishonest git".

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2012,08:53   

i think we could make an argument for internetting the tard "in the public good", independent of whether it de-tards.

known tards, like our favorites, are willing, able and attempting to insert their tard in new places.  much like a juvenile primate, this urge to insert the tard* into every nook and cranny is a very deep and consuming impulse in these tards.  



So if you tie them up in their house on their computer a-drankin them big gulps and hosanna-ing at their monitor about how much you need jesus therefore the universe is designed, they can't be out mucking about with real things that matter like education or stuff smart people know about.

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tldr is if gordon e mullings is onefisting a manifesto from atop his rock then he can't be a constitutional threat


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tldr is if joetard has a LTER**  then he doesn't have time to go to IDEA Day***





OK if this then I argue that implies interetting tards provides a material social benefit, namely wasting the time of virulently stupid and pathologically insane people with an enormous capacity for tard production.

What's the most effective way to make them waste their time while still maximizing the LULZ?







*as the one of the dumbest tards no one named, mynym, used to say: "the merge to urge" lel

** with watermelons and ticks, what is ice, climb it science, barahomominology and informaticsisms

*** or fuck with the people in his local school board who likely have a restraining order against him already

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2012,08:54   

Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 01 2012,17:27)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 01 2012,13:25)
What I have found immensely enjoyable, of late, is that T.A.R.D. also describes the fake climate skeptics.  And they behave the same was as the other creationists.  

Many of them are the other creationists.

It's crank magnetism: if you can't understand and/or bring political/cultural filters to one area of science, you'll you'll do it others.  Look how many outbreaks of UFO/Turin Shroud/altmed/... nonsense we see on UD.

Tard comes in clusters.

Totally---  and just because you are inoculated to one strain doesn't guarantee you are not infectable

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2012,09:11   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 01 2012,17:38)

fair enough it wasn't very clear anyway LOL

but thinking about how you answer "are theistic evolutionists* creationists?" might explain how one might view the de-tard spectrum differently than another.

I don't really know many "theistic evolutionists" but I do know a few.  I don't understand religious beliefs so I can't be sure about any of it but I think I understand why the fundies view it as some kinda hippy dippy noo age bullshite



but that just says more about how well I know what fundie tards think than it does about theistic evilutionists

*i know there is no meaningful answer to this so i am not looking to fap about it

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2012,09:49   

Hopefully relevant comments:

1 - I de-tarded and left the practice of Orthodox Judaism at about the same time. Modern Orthodoxy has a "Torah U'Maadah" (basically Revealed Truth and Science) theme that kept me going in the religion for a while. I was living in the center of the Yeshiva University world that focused on thinkers like Maimonides, who the YU crowd thought of as an ultra-rationalist though he still accepted biblical literalism.

2 - I de-tarded mostly in reaction to the more virulent creationists I was exposed to, and needing to make choices about what to tell my children about the world.

3 - I enjoy jousting with tards on the internet. I've learned a lot, which is the best part.

4 - I'm spending more time now at WUWT tweaking climate tards. No need to sock up. From what I've seen there, climatard is mostly motivated by political concerns related to loss of privilege. And some deep paranoia. Some of those climatards really are convinced that all scientists are Liberals taking orders from Moscow Central. Pure 50s John Bircher vital bodily fluids bullshit. None appeal to their religion, God has given us dominion, etc.

5 - I don't expect any climatard I have an exchange with to de-tard, just retire to smoldering resentment and silence. The social value beyond my own entertainment value comes entirely from the onlookers, and WUWT has way more onlookers than UD. I do have a hope that climatard is easier to de-tard than creotard. There is more cause and effect to the science, and you can rub their noses in the effects more easily than with evolution.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2012,10:45   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 02 2012,10:11)
         
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 01 2012,17:38)
See, for me there is no real way to separate the two. They are part and parcel of the same thing. Of course, I can't speak for anyone but me, but there y'go.

fair enough it wasn't very clear anyway LOL


I think it was probably me that was being unclear.

         
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 01 2012,17:38)
See, for me there is no real way to separate the two. They are part and parcel of the same thing. Of course, I can't speak for anyone but me, but there y'go.


For me, in my life, they came together as a package. That makes it very hard for me to wrap my head around one without the other. I don't get the point of positing a hands-off deity. I get that some people do it, I sort of passed that way on my way to where I am, but I don't understand why they linger there. For me, in my life straight-up atheism is a natural conclusion of a process. Stopping half-way was just not tenable, anymore than stopping a rollercoaster half-way down the first big hill. Can it be done? Sure. But why would I do that?

The idea of a deity, most especially the Christian one since that's the one we deal with, comes with baggage: namely intervention in the natural world. Seems to me that there are four options for him. 1) He intervenes detectably. 2) He intervenes undetectably. 3) He doesn't intervene. 4) He doesn't exist. Functionally,options 2, 3, and 4 are equivalent. If Yahweh intervenes detectably in the natural world, why can't we detect him? If not, he's superfluous. "I have no need of that hypothesis," as it were.

         
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 02 2012,10:11)
but thinking about how you answer "are theistic evolutionists* creationists?" might explain how one might view the de-tard spectrum differently than another.


I suppose, in a very extended sense, I'd regard TE and/or deism as forms of creationism in an esoteric philosophical discussion over wine and crackers, but not in the vernacular sense that we use it here. I would certainly not file either of those under T.A.R.D..

       
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 02 2012,10:11)
I don't really know many "theistic evolutionists" but I do know a few.


     
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 01 2012,16:27)
     
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 01 2012,16:25)
Don't you know many people with religious beliefs that are not creationists, under your definition of creationist?

No.


To elaborate and clarify the answer I gave to the question you posed, I just don't know many devotees of TE or deism. One, IRL, as far as I know, and even that one is a guess based on the fact that I heard him mention once that he took his family to church.

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 02 2012,10:11)
*i know there is no meaningful answer to this so i am not looking to fap about it

I, on the other hand, am always up for a good arm-chair philosophical wank over the aforementioned wine and crackers (preferably, with cheese). I don't get out much.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2012,11:48   

Quote (dvunkannon @ Oct. 02 2012,10:49)
Hopefully relevant comments:

1 - I de-tarded and left the practice of Orthodox Judaism at about the same time. Modern Orthodoxy has a "Torah U'Maadah" (basically Revealed Truth and Science) theme that kept me going in the religion for a while. I was living in the center of the Yeshiva University world that focused on thinkers like Maimonides, who the YU crowd thought of as an ultra-rationalist though he still accepted biblical literalism.

2 - I de-tarded mostly in reaction to the more virulent creationists I was exposed to, and needing to make choices about what to tell my children about the world.

3 - I enjoy jousting with tards on the internet. I've learned a lot, which is the best part.

4 - I'm spending more time now at WUWT tweaking climate tards. No need to sock up. From what I've seen there, climatard is mostly motivated by political concerns related to loss of privilege. And some deep paranoia. Some of those climatards really are convinced that all scientists are Liberals taking orders from Moscow Central. Pure 50s John Bircher vital bodily fluids bullshit. None appeal to their religion, God has given us dominion, etc.

5 - I don't expect any climatard I have an exchange with to de-tard, just retire to smoldering resentment and silence. The social value beyond my own entertainment value comes entirely from the onlookers, and WUWT has way more onlookers than UD. I do have a hope that climatard is easier to de-tard than creotard. There is more cause and effect to the science, and you can rub their noses in the effects more easily than with evolution.

all this

thanks for sharing and i can't get enough of the climate tards.  somebody should be studying these people

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2012,11:55   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 02 2012,11:45)
I, on the other hand, am always up for a good arm-chair philosophical wank over the aforementioned wine and crackers (preferably, with cheese). I don't get out much.

LOL Floyd Lee is hanging around the wall on PT looking for a boyfrind, he'd love to tell you about it



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2012,12:18   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 02 2012,12:55)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 02 2012,11:45)
I, on the other hand, am always up for a good arm-chair philosophical wank over the aforementioned wine and crackers (preferably, with cheese). I don't get out much.

LOL Floyd Lee is hanging around the wall on PT looking for a boyfrind, he'd love to tell you about it

lol, again I was unclear. I should have added, "...with someone in possession of a brain."

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 04 2012,11:07   

The Debunking Handbook

I am not sure if we've read this.  I wonder how it might alter your strategies for internetting the tards.


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If facts cannot dissuade a person from their preexisting
beliefs - and can sometimes make things
worse - how can we possibly reduce the effect of
misinformation? There are two sources of hope.
First, the Worldview Backfire Effect is strongest
among those already fixed in their views. You
therefore stand a greater chance of correcting
misinformation among those
not as firmly decided about hotbutton
issues. This suggests that
outreaches should be directed
towards the undecided majority
rather than the unswayable
minority.
Second, messages can
be presented in ways that
reduce the usual psychological
resistance. For example,
when worldview-threatening
messages are coupled with
so-called self-affirmation,
people become more balanced
in considering pro


Edited by Erasmus, FCD on Oct. 04 2012,12:08

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 04 2012,13:00   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 02 2012,12:48)
Quote (dvunkannon @ Oct. 02 2012,10:49)
Hopefully relevant comments:

1 - I de-tarded and left the practice of Orthodox Judaism at about the same time. Modern Orthodoxy has a "Torah U'Maadah" (basically Revealed Truth and Science) theme that kept me going in the religion for a while. I was living in the center of the Yeshiva University world that focused on thinkers like Maimonides, who the YU crowd thought of as an ultra-rationalist though he still accepted biblical literalism.

2 - I de-tarded mostly in reaction to the more virulent creationists I was exposed to, and needing to make choices about what to tell my children about the world.

3 - I enjoy jousting with tards on the internet. I've learned a lot, which is the best part.

4 - I'm spending more time now at WUWT tweaking climate tards. No need to sock up. From what I've seen there, climatard is mostly motivated by political concerns related to loss of privilege. And some deep paranoia. Some of those climatards really are convinced that all scientists are Liberals taking orders from Moscow Central. Pure 50s John Bircher vital bodily fluids bullshit. None appeal to their religion, God has given us dominion, etc.

5 - I don't expect any climatard I have an exchange with to de-tard, just retire to smoldering resentment and silence. The social value beyond my own entertainment value comes entirely from the onlookers, and WUWT has way more onlookers than UD. I do have a hope that climatard is easier to de-tard than creotard. There is more cause and effect to the science, and you can rub their noses in the effects more easily than with evolution.

all this

thanks for sharing and i can't get enough of the climate tards.  somebody should be studying these people

WUWT has analogs for many of our favorite UD characters.

Joe G = Smokey
FtK = Pamela Gray, Lucy Skywalker
DaveScot = DaveScot

However, most are versions of Barrogant Barry Arrington. Some are cranks who contribute a response to almost every OP, pushing their version of Climate Time Cube - think BA^77 without quotes and music videos. There is no KF yet!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 04 2012,13:33   

I am waiting for them to follow PeeZus's lead and start "Why I am a tard Skeptic™".

Edited by Erasmus, FCD on Oct. 04 2012,15:01

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 04 2012,13:56   

Quote (dvunkannon @ Oct. 04 2012,11:00)
There is no KF yet!

Have patience.

He's given us 24 hours to solve all the outstanding issues with abiogenesis, or ID wins by default.  So he'll have some time on his hands tomorrow.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 04 2012,14:31   

Quote (dvunkannon @ Oct. 04 2012,13:00)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 02 2012,12:48)
Quote (dvunkannon @ Oct. 02 2012,10:49)
Hopefully relevant comments:

1 - I de-tarded and left the practice of Orthodox Judaism at about the same time. Modern Orthodoxy has a "Torah U'Maadah" (basically Revealed Truth and Science) theme that kept me going in the religion for a while. I was living in the center of the Yeshiva University world that focused on thinkers like Maimonides, who the YU crowd thought of as an ultra-rationalist though he still accepted biblical literalism.

2 - I de-tarded mostly in reaction to the more virulent creationists I was exposed to, and needing to make choices about what to tell my children about the world.

3 - I enjoy jousting with tards on the internet. I've learned a lot, which is the best part.

4 - I'm spending more time now at WUWT tweaking climate tards. No need to sock up. From what I've seen there, climatard is mostly motivated by political concerns related to loss of privilege. And some deep paranoia. Some of those climatards really are convinced that all scientists are Liberals taking orders from Moscow Central. Pure 50s John Bircher vital bodily fluids bullshit. None appeal to their religion, God has given us dominion, etc.

5 - I don't expect any climatard I have an exchange with to de-tard, just retire to smoldering resentment and silence. The social value beyond my own entertainment value comes entirely from the onlookers, and WUWT has way more onlookers than UD. I do have a hope that climatard is easier to de-tard than creotard. There is more cause and effect to the science, and you can rub their noses in the effects more easily than with evolution.

all this

thanks for sharing and i can't get enough of the climate tards.  somebody should be studying these people

WUWT has analogs for many of our favorite UD characters.

Joe G = Smokey
FtK = Pamela Gray, Lucy Skywalker
DaveScot = DaveScot

However, most are versions of Barrogant Barry Arrington. Some are cranks who contribute a response to almost every OP, pushing their version of Climate Time Cube - think BA^77 without quotes and music videos. There is no KF yet!

Densye O'Leary = John O'Sullivan (O'MG)
DLH = David L Hagen

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2012,17:13   

Jerry Coyne tries the de-tard

This is absolutely worth watching, for the LULZ as well as an example of why trying to talk sense to creationists is usually a massive assplosion of FAIL

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2012,10:55   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 11 2012,15:13)
Jerry Coyne tries the de-tard

This is absolutely worth watching, for the LULZ as well as an example of why trying to talk sense to creationists is usually a massive assplosion of FAIL

My biggest problem with that video was how severly edited it obviously was. For that matter, why Jerry Coyne was nattering on about wooden boat design was totally obscure.

I have been playing on the YouTube comments section for the last few days. It seems ready to die out. The alpha-asshole creationist Phil is apparently a member of the Caleb Foundation. They are the Irish creationist outfit that recently got a display on the "flood model" into the Giant's Causeway displays.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2012,07:57   

Pat Robertson. Who woulda guessed?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2012,10:58   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 26 2012,10:41)
I think of UD as the Wedge Document for any future Dover trial. There was a year or so after Dover (AD?) When UD tred to maintain the fiction that they were about science rather religion, but that is gone.

The Adam and Eve fiasco was icing.

What's this about an adam and eve fiasco?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2012,11:02   

Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 28 2012,10:58)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 26 2012,10:41)
I think of UD as the Wedge Document for any future Dover trial. There was a year or so after Dover (AD?) When UD tred to maintain the fiction that they were about science rather religion, but that is gone.

The Adam and Eve fiasco was icing.

What's this about an adam and eve fiasco?

The recent human origins book tauted by the DI. Axe and whatshername.

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