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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,21:08   

Well. the flagellum is am icon of Intestinal Dysentery, not to mention, reducible.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,23:06   

Aren't butterflies just a kind of moth?

Henry

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2011,17:46   

Over at EvoNews or Klinghoffer Wanks Again is this charming invitation to Luskin's opus minimus on how there ain't no stinkin' increase in Biologikal Informashun:

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We don't routinely open the comments feature at ENV because of the staffing requirement that comes into play when we do, cleaning up after Darwinists who don't know how to have a discussion on science without descending to the gutter.


I say "fuck 'em."

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2011,18:46   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 21 2011,17:46)
Over at EvoNews or Klinghoffer Wanks Again is this charming invitation to Luskin's opus minimus on how there ain't no stinkin' increase in Biologikal Informashun:

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We don't routinely open the comments feature at ENV because of the staffing requirement that comes into play when we do, cleaning up after Darwinists who don't know how to have a discussion on science without descending to the gutter.


I say "fuck 'em."

The first rule of decorum is to insult your guests before they even arrive.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2011,08:35   

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I say "fuck 'em."

Sorry, they're not my type.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2011,11:35   

Google Alerts tells me EN&V has another post up trying to make the Granville Sewell thing all about me.

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paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2011,18:26   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 25 2011,09:35)
Google Alerts tells me EN&V has another post up trying to make the Granville Sewell thing all about me.

Luskin is practically frothing at the mouth in that post.
Link

Some revealing quotes indicating his awareness of the issue:  
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Early in his response, titled "Educating Casey on Publishing," Dr. Elsberry concedes my point that he self-plagiarized his recent paper in Synthese.

 
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Apparently, since Granville Sewell has published his arguments in peer-reviewed scientific papers, and then tried to republish some prior material in his now-withdrawn Applied Mathematics Letters (AML) paper, Sewell is supposedly guilty of some grave sin that Elsberry hasn't committed.
 
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As for the "gaming the system" accusations, whatever that means I see no evidence that Granville Sewell did it.


eta: as per SOP, no commenting allowed

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2011,16:59   

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011....51.html

I'm not sure Casey's open mike blog went the way he hoped.

At least he has JoeG on his side.

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paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2011,22:28   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 26 2011,14:59)
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011.......51.html

I'm not sure Casey's open mike blog went the way he hoped.

At least he has JoeG on his side.

Careful, if he gets too close, JoeG might decide to send in some intelligent agents like termites to probe Luskin's eyebrows for signs of design.

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
The geological maps that realist use to make money are all surface maps. -forastero

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2011,11:43   

He needs to protect his prose from termites.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2011,11:53   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 26 2011,16:59)
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011.......51.html

I'm not sure Casey's open mike blog went the way he hoped.

At least he has JoeG on his side.

I would like to quote from a document that Casey's employers(?) produced some years back.


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To replace materialistic explanation with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God.


I wonder what happened to 'we must defeat scientific materialism'?

These guys flop around more than a bass in the bottom of a boat.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2011,17:15   

Casey at bat again:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011....1404051

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2011,20:35   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 28 2011,17:15)
Casey at bat again:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011.......1404051

There is going to be no joy in UDville!

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raguel



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2011,21:41   

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Problem 1: The first problem is that the examples Venema offers did not demonstrate new genetic information arising in the form of, as Meyer asks for it, “fundamentally new genes and proteins.”



That's dangerously close to "homology disproves evolution".  Or is there a more fair interpretation? Apparently not, since teh gerbil failed to provide one.

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2011,22:28   

Why not ask him why the relative absence of new genes and proteins in, say mammals, doesn't render the new information argument moot?

If evolution didn't need to invent a lot of new proteins to make men different from mice, doesn't that reduce the improbability factor?

It a genuine question. I would like to hear from someone who knows more than I do.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2011,23:40   

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There is going to be no joy in UDville!

Where's an UDmpire when you need one?

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2011,08:25   

Case swings:

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So SELEX experiments do not demonstrate that selection can occur prior to the origin of life. Rather, they show that in the absence of natural selection, intelligence is the only other selective agent. Since there was no natural selection prior to the origin of life, this doesn't leave many options for the materialist.

Thanks.

Casey


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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2011,10:16   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 28 2011,23:15)
Casey at bat again:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011.......1404051

Swingggggggg and a miss!

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2011,11:31   

Quote (Louis @ Sep. 29 2011,10:16)
 
Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 28 2011,23:15)
Casey at bat again:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011.......1404051

Swingggggggg and a miss!

Louis

Seems Casey is unfamiliar with the phrase "Teaching old genes new tricks."

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2011,11:53   

Quote (Quack @ Sep. 29 2011,17:31)
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 29 2011,10:16)
 
Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 28 2011,23:15)
Casey at bat again:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011.......1404051

Swingggggggg and a miss!

Louis

Seems Casey is unfamiliar with the phrase "Teaching old genes new tricks."

And that ain't the only thing Casey is unfamiliar with...

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2011,11:53   

The shorter Casey:

Anything Darwinists have done is not good enough.

All experiments are evidence of intelligent design by definition.

Cambrian Explosion.

QID

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2011,20:31   

Behe weighs in:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011.......21.html

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Dollo's law holds going forward as well as backward. We can state the experimentally based law simply: "Any evolutionary pathway from one functional state to another is unlikely to be traversed by random mutation and natural selection. The more the functional states differ, the much-less likely that a traversable pathway exists."


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2011,20:46   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 05 2011,18:31)
Behe weighs in:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011.......21.html

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Dollo's law holds going forward as well as backward. We can state the experimentally based law simply: "Any evolutionary pathway from one functional state to another is unlikely to be traversed by random mutation and natural selection. The more the functional states differ, the much-less likely that a traversable pathway exists."

A TADL tale?

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F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
The geological maps that realist use to make money are all surface maps. -forastero

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2011,20:52   

Is this related to the Law of Retrospective Astonishment?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2011,19:18   

Quote (paragwinn @ Oct. 05 2011,20:46)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 05 2011,18:31)
Behe weighs in:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011.......21.html

 
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Dollo's law holds going forward as well as backward. We can state the experimentally based law simply: "Any evolutionary pathway from one functional state to another is unlikely to be traversed by random mutation and natural selection. The more the functional states differ, the much-less likely that a traversable pathway exists."

A TADL tale?

So, does Behe mean Tiktaalik or something more recent?

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For example, whales do not re-evolve gills, even though they are aquatic creatures who descended from fish, because gills are a lost, complex trait in that lineage.


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2011,00:10   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 05 2011,18:52)
Is this related to the Law of Retrospective Astonishment?

Tell me more of this new science...

Edited by Dr.GH on Oct. 06 2011,22:11

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2011,02:45   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Oct. 07 2011,00:10)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 05 2011,18:52)
Is this related to the Law of Retrospective Astonishment?

Tell me more of this new science...

Retrospective astonishment is a term employed by the Sensuous Curmudgeon. I don't know if he invented it.

It roughly means that the odds against any specific thing happening are so high that it couldn't possibly have happened, except by magic.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2011,09:35   

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It roughly means that the odds against any specific thing happening are so high that it couldn't possibly have happened, except by magic.

And never mind that the number of specific things that might happen is so large that there isn't any one specific thing that doesn't have enormous odds against it. Yet something has to happen.

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2011,12:00   

I've decided to call Behe's new law Time Asymmetric Reality Denial.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2011,19:15   

Retrospective astonishment:

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Finally, Behe erroneously equates “evolving non-deterministically” with “impossible to evolve.”  He supposes that if each of a set of specific evolutionary outcomes has a low probability, then none will evolve.  This is like saying that, because the probability was vanishingly small that the 1996 Yankees would finish 92-70 with 871 runs scored and 787 allowed and then win the World Series in six games over Atlanta, the fact that all this occurred means it must have been willed by God.


http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom....hornton

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