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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2012,16:43   

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Is it a common practice at US schools to run the same course under three different numbers and two designations at the same time in the very same room?
     
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AP862 Intelligent Design [...] Start Date 1/14/2013 End Date 1/19/2013 Time MO,TU,WE,TH,FR 6:00pm-10:3 [rest not displayed] SA 8:00am-4:30pm

SC401 Evolutionary Biology & Intellige [rest not displayed]  [...] Start Date 1/14/2013 End Date 1/19/2013 Time MO,TU,WE,TH,FR 6:00pm-10:3 [rest not displayed] SA 8:00am-4:30pm

[... one other course by another instructor]

SC501 Evolutionary Biology & Intelligen [rest not displayed]  [...] Start Date 1/14/2013 End Date 1/19/2013 Time MO,TU,WE,TH,FR 6:00pm-10:3 [rest not displayed] SA 8:00am-4:30pm

Sometimes.

Most colleges or universities will run an undergrad and grad course on the same subject at the same time, with the same teacher.  The grad students have extra work (lab time, outside research, etc) assigned.

I have seen some junior colleges offer the same course with two different designations in the same room with the same teacher at the same time.

This is because technical school programs (automechanics, cosmotology, etc) are not accepted by other colleges for transfer.  In auto mechanics, it's not that big a deal, but it is a big deal in computer science courses.  

You might have a 2-yr technical degree in computer programming.  Since it's a tech degree, no 4-yr school will accept it for a bachelor's degree.  But there is a 2-yr academic program specializing in computer programming.  If we say that both degree plans have a requirement for a course in C++, then you would need to give the students that are planning on transferring a different course number, one that is accepted by 4-yr schools.  

Why not have the technical degree take the academic course?  In some states, the entry requirements for technical degrees and academic degrees are very different.  Further, the state (like in Texas) may require that technical degrees only are allowed 5 academic courses (usually 2 semesters of freshman English, a social studies, a fine art, and speech).

So we have to have a special academic course with certain requirements and a technical course with different requirements... even though they are exactly the same course.

I don't think I could explain 3 different versions though.  But then, I'm willing to bet my new house that the school isn't regionally accredited and that's the only accreditation that matters.

I did a degree in Mathematical Physics.  About a third of the lectures were standard physics lectures which were shared with physics students and given by a physics lecturer.  Another third were applied mathematics lectures shared with mathematics students and given by mathematics lecturers.

Where there is an overlap in course material, then it makes sense for students on different courses to share classes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2012,17:02   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 24 2012,15:02)
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Is it a common practice at US schools to run the same course under three different numbers and two designations at the same time in the very same room?
     
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AP862 Intelligent Design [...] Start Date 1/14/2013 End Date 1/19/2013 Time MO,TU,WE,TH,FR 6:00pm-10:3 [rest not displayed] SA 8:00am-4:30pm

SC401 Evolutionary Biology & Intellige [rest not displayed]  [...] Start Date 1/14/2013 End Date 1/19/2013 Time MO,TU,WE,TH,FR 6:00pm-10:3 [rest not displayed] SA 8:00am-4:30pm

[... one other course by another instructor]

SC501 Evolutionary Biology & Intelligen [rest not displayed]  [...] Start Date 1/14/2013 End Date 1/19/2013 Time MO,TU,WE,TH,FR 6:00pm-10:3 [rest not displayed] SA 8:00am-4:30pm

Sometimes.

Most colleges or universities will run an undergrad and grad course on the same subject at the same time, with the same teacher.  The grad students have extra work (lab time, outside research, etc) assigned.

I have seen some junior colleges offer the same course with two different designations in the same room with the same teacher at the same time.

This is because technical school programs (automechanics, cosmotology, etc) are not accepted by other colleges for transfer.  In auto mechanics, it's not that big a deal, but it is a big deal in computer science courses.  

You might have a 2-yr technical degree in computer programming.  Since it's a tech degree, no 4-yr school will accept it for a bachelor's degree.  But there is a 2-yr academic program specializing in computer programming.  If we say that both degree plans have a requirement for a course in C++, then you would need to give the students that are planning on transferring a different course number, one that is accepted by 4-yr schools.  

Why not have the technical degree take the academic course?  In some states, the entry requirements for technical degrees and academic degrees are very different.  Further, the state (like in Texas) may require that technical degrees only are allowed 5 academic courses (usually 2 semesters of freshman English, a social studies, a fine art, and speech).

So we have to have a special academic course with certain requirements and a technical course with different requirements... even though they are exactly the same course.

I don't think I could explain 3 different versions though.  But then, I'm willing to bet my new house that the school isn't regionally accredited and that's the only accreditation that matters.

My Ornithology course runs that way, with an undergrad course number and a graduate course number.

Also, sometimes a class fits two different programs, and needs two different numbers. There's a Biochemistry course here that fulfills a particular requirement in the Biology and Marine Biology department for Bio majors and thus has a BIO #, and it also fulfills a particular requirement in the Chemistry department for Chem majors, and thus also has a CHM #, for instance.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2012,19:13   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 24 2012,17:02)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 24 2012,15:02)
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Is it a common practice at US schools to run the same course under three different numbers and two designations at the same time in the very same room?
     
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AP862 Intelligent Design [...] Start Date 1/14/2013 End Date 1/19/2013 Time MO,TU,WE,TH,FR 6:00pm-10:3 [rest not displayed] SA 8:00am-4:30pm

SC401 Evolutionary Biology & Intellige [rest not displayed]  [...] Start Date 1/14/2013 End Date 1/19/2013 Time MO,TU,WE,TH,FR 6:00pm-10:3 [rest not displayed] SA 8:00am-4:30pm

[... one other course by another instructor]

SC501 Evolutionary Biology & Intelligen [rest not displayed]  [...] Start Date 1/14/2013 End Date 1/19/2013 Time MO,TU,WE,TH,FR 6:00pm-10:3 [rest not displayed] SA 8:00am-4:30pm

Sometimes.

Most colleges or universities will run an undergrad and grad course on the same subject at the same time, with the same teacher.  The grad students have extra work (lab time, outside research, etc) assigned.

I have seen some junior colleges offer the same course with two different designations in the same room with the same teacher at the same time.

This is because technical school programs (automechanics, cosmotology, etc) are not accepted by other colleges for transfer.  In auto mechanics, it's not that big a deal, but it is a big deal in computer science courses.  

You might have a 2-yr technical degree in computer programming.  Since it's a tech degree, no 4-yr school will accept it for a bachelor's degree.  But there is a 2-yr academic program specializing in computer programming.  If we say that both degree plans have a requirement for a course in C++, then you would need to give the students that are planning on transferring a different course number, one that is accepted by 4-yr schools.  

Why not have the technical degree take the academic course?  In some states, the entry requirements for technical degrees and academic degrees are very different.  Further, the state (like in Texas) may require that technical degrees only are allowed 5 academic courses (usually 2 semesters of freshman English, a social studies, a fine art, and speech).

So we have to have a special academic course with certain requirements and a technical course with different requirements... even though they are exactly the same course.

I don't think I could explain 3 different versions though.  But then, I'm willing to bet my new house that the school isn't regionally accredited and that's the only accreditation that matters.

My Ornithology course runs that way, with an undergrad course number and a graduate course number.

Also, sometimes a class fits two different programs, and needs two different numbers. There's a Biochemistry course here that fulfills a particular requirement in the Biology and Marine Biology department for Bio majors and thus has a BIO #, and it also fulfills a particular requirement in the Chemistry department for Chem majors, and thus also has a CHM #, for instance.

Yeah.  The university I worked at would just have the degree plan reflect the CHM or the BIO number.  Unless there was some weird elective requirement.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2012,19:20   

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The Institute of Scientific Apologetics is a division of Southern Evangelical Seminary that offers the Certificate in Scientific Apologetics designed for those interested in increasing their knowledge and effectiveness in defending the faith scientifically.


Wow.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2012,20:45   

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gpuccio, think for just one moment about the fact that your main supporters at UD are Joe, Mung, and kairosfocus.

Fair point.  If any one of those . . . special individuals were cheering me on in an argument, I'd start checking my premises, logic, and ethics immediately.

I'd start checking in at the nearest mental hospital.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2012,21:03   

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I almost feel sorry for the poor bastard.

Except I doubt that "poor" comes into it. I'm sure they are paying plenty of $$$ for such a "star".

The salary and benefits negotiations probably went something like this:

SES: "Bill, we'll pay you $XX,000.00 per year and we'll throw in knee pads for life, a genuine faux leather cover for your bible, a whoopee cushion, and a baby's arm holding an apple."

dumbski: "I'll take it."

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2012,23:35   

Lou FCD:  
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No, he recanted before they could yell, "no take-backs!"

But he was heard to mumble under his breath, "Yet it's tard!"

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2012,01:55   

KF to gpuccio:
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GP: Sometimes it amazes me that you are writing in a second language and many of the objectors are writing in their first. KF


Joe:
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Really? I suspected as much- well most likely I knew it and just forgot. Amazing indeed. But that does explain some things like the choice of wording.


Joe truly is the stupidest person on the Internet.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2012,07:25   

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KF to gpuccio:
   
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GP: Sometimes it amazes me that you are writing in a second language and many of the objectors are writing in their first. KF


Joe:
   
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Really? I suspected as much- well most likely I knew it and just forgot. Amazing indeed. But that does explain some things like the choice of wording.


Joe truly is the stupidest person on the Internet.

It amazes me that KF is writing in his first language.

It is a curiously Anglophone trait to be gobsmacked at the facility a foreigner may have in English - typically, English-speakers are particularly shit at foreign languages, and assume everyone else must be too. I experience that surprise myself, when an endless supply of accented pundits pop up on the radio with perfect, idiomatic and technical English, or when travelling and finding that the entire populace appears to be much better at my language than I am at theirs.

Nonetheless, GP's argument is not very coherent, however English his excellent.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2012,13:08   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Oct. 25 2012,05:25)
 
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KF to gpuccio:
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GP: Sometimes it amazes me that you are writing in a second language and many of the objectors are writing in their first. KF


Joe:
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Really? I suspected as much- well most likely I knew it and just forgot. Amazing indeed. But that does explain some things like the choice of wording.


Joe truly is the stupidest person on the Internet.

It amazes me that KF is writing in his first language.

It is a curiously Anglophone trait to be gobsmacked at the facility a foreigner may have in English - typically, English-speakers are particularly shit at foreign languages, and assume everyone else must be too. I experience that surprise myself, when an endless supply of accented pundits pop up on the radio with perfect, idiomatic and technical English, or when travelling and finding that the entire populace appears to be much better at my language than I am at theirs.

Nonetheless, GP's argument is not very coherent, however English his excellent.

Yes. I've never seen a 'Darwinist' criticize gpuccio's English -- just his arguments.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2012,13:55   

He does have courage, however, living in a country where you can go to jail for making a wrong scientific prediction.

Makes people who fear peer review look like wienies.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2012,14:12   

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He does have courage, however, living in a country where you can go to jail for making a wrong scientific prediction.

Makes people who fear peer review look like wienies.



come now he hasn't made any scientific predictions

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2012,23:03   

Dembski announces the update of his.designinference.com personal web page:
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I just want to let people on this forum know that I’m finally updating my personal website at DesignInference.com. Specifically, the page with my writings, which had not been updated for three years, is now largely up to date (though it omits articles and books in the pipeline): [URL=http://www.designinference.com/dembski-on-intelligent-design/dembski-writings.
(emphasis mine)

However, under  
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Books
in preparation
his CV/resume still lists
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Biological Information: New Perspectives (co-edited with Robert J. Marks II, John Sanford, Michael Behe, and Bruce Gordon). Under contract with Springer Verlag.


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2012,23:31   

Don't miss the questions Dembski used in the exams of his courses:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,00:18   

From Dembski's test:

   
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Widely regarded as the greatest scientist of all time.


As I recall it was some guy who was indeed masterful at inferring material causes* correctly from material data, and whose most embarrassing mistakes (at least at this remove) involve times when he invoked mysterious "design" in the universe.

But I'm sure that "Jesus" as an answer gets you almost as many points as "Dembski" does.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,02:15   

Quote (sparc @ Oct. 25 2012,21:31)
Don't miss the questions Dembski used in the exams of his courses:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

I couldn't get past number 3. By then my brain cells were begging me to stop lest they all commit suicide so as not to be subjected to more of dumbski's tard. Man oh man, is he a lunatic or what?

And to think that people willingly go to a so-called 'college' and pay a lot of money to be brainwashed with that shit. Is that what's called 'higher learning'?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,02:30   

From #1:  
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Identify the following (give first and last name where applicable) [1 point each/10 points total]:
[...]
German who likened Christianity to smallpox.

He seemingly really really beleaves the Expelled/Hitler/evolution BS and the bearded loving old white man in the sky however, in a rather strange misogynic Mullings-esque way:  
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Someone comes to you explaining that her father abused her growing up and thus she has a hard time
conceiving of God as a loving father. Instead, she tells you that she much prefers mother imagery for God. In part, she justifies this by claiming that all our language of God is metaphorical and that father imagery for God is simply a hold-over from a patriarchal age. Defend the fatherhood of God against this line of attack.


Edited by sparc on Oct. 26 2012,02:30

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,02:47   

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3. You are to debate atheist Richard Dawkins on the relation between faith and science. Dawkins claims that science and reason render religious faith obsolete. Outline your opening statement in the debate. What view of the relation between science and faith would you take? How would your own Christian faith make a difference to the debate (as opposed to arguing for generic religious belief or for an alternative faith such as Islam)? [10 points]


Can't you just see it? The cameras zooming in on Dawkins' perspiring anguished face as his Christian opponent nails him with devastating question after question? The pathetic whining response as he tries to wriggle out from under the crushing weight of irrefutable argument? The stony silence of the audience who will have none of his evasive self-serving deceptions? The humble acceptance by the apologist of the community's accolades for his brilliant demolition of error and affirmation of What Is Right?

That isn't an exam question: it's Bill's fap fantasy.

Edited by Amadan on Oct. 26 2012,08:47

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,02:59   

Quote (Amadan @ Oct. 26 2012,02:47)
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3. You are to debate atheist Richard Dawkins on the relation between faith and science. Dawkins claims that science and reason render religious faith obsolete. Outline your opening statement in the debate. What view of the relation between science and faith would you take? How would your own Christian faith make a difference to the debate (as opposed to arguing for generic religious belief or for an alternative faith such as Islam)? [10 points]


Can't you just see it? The cameras zooming in on Dawkins' perspiring anguished face as his Christian opponent nails him with devastating question after question? The pathetic whining response as he tries to wriggle out from under the crushing weight of irrefutable argument? The stony silence of the audience who will have none of his evasive self-serving deceptions? The humble acceptance by the apologist of the community's accolades for his brilliant demolition of error and affirmation of What Is Right?

That isn't an exam question: it's Bill's fap fantasy.

Dembski's wet dream: debating Dawkins

ETA he really beleaves he won the debate vs. Hitchens the one that has been characterized as Battle of the Titans (well, one titan and a schlemiel).

Edited by sparc on Oct. 26 2012,03:03

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,05:55   

News is impressed with a new documentary on animal intelligence.  There are a few problems even in the trailer:

1: The first talking head is Michael Cremo, author of "Forbidden Archeology".  I've read this book and it's pure crank.  Basically, if you carve some weird characters into a rock and rub dirt on it, Cremo will proclaim it genuine and build a story on how ancient civilizations visiting America before Columbus left it there.  Even if you're in Kansas.

2: The second talking head is Stanley Salthe, PhD, Zoologist, Brooklyn College, New York.  "I think another reason this idea that there can be selection for this and for this and for this (points to hand, nose and ear) separately - it doesn't seem very plausible when you're talking about the complexity of the way of life of an organism.  This idea of adding piece by piece is in some sense logical but in another sense it just doesn't feel right."

Well, jeeze, there it is:  It just doesn't feel right.  Yet the Evilutionists still won't admit that Darwinism has met its Waterloo.

P.S. It doesn't help that Professor Salthe looks like the late JAD on a bad day.  Bydand!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,09:01   

Quote (keiths @ Oct. 25 2012,09:55)
KF to gpuccio:
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GP: Sometimes it amazes me that you are writing in a second language and many of the objectors are writing in their first. KF


Joe:
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Really? I suspected as much- well most likely I knew it and just forgot. Amazing indeed. But that does explain some things like the choice of wording.


Joe truly is the stupidest person on the Internet.

Yet on the innerwebs he's teh smart.

Hey Joe where were you when a mol was explained?

Trucking turnips?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,09:06   

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But that does explain some things like the choice of wording.
Thanks for the loud laugh.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,09:44   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Oct. 25 2012,15:25)
 
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KF to gpuccio:
     
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GP: Sometimes it amazes me that you are writing in a second language and many of the objectors are writing in their first. KF


Joe:
     
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Really? I suspected as much- well most likely I knew it and just forgot. Amazing indeed. But that does explain some things like the choice of wording.


Joe truly is the stupidest person on the Internet.

It amazes me that KF is writing in his first language.

It is a curiously Anglophone trait to be gobsmacked at the facility a foreigner may have in English - typically, English-speakers are particularly shit at foreign languages, and assume everyone else must be too. I experience that surprise myself, when an endless supply of accented pundits pop up on the radio with perfect, idiomatic and technical English, or when travelling and finding that the entire populace appears to be much better at my language than I am at theirs.

Nonetheless, GP's argument is not very coherent, however English his excellent.

Indeed *cough* when I was in the very remote areas of Papua New Guinea and in the even more remote Bakasi Peninsular West Africa (or maybe not, depending on Joe's opinion ....doesn't Joe think his half assed pissant thought bubbles are ....erm IMPORTANT?) the older locals who (incidentally) had been educated under colonial rule could quote Shakespeare lough, stocks and Othello with wonderfully cheeky context. For them English was maybe their third or forth language. While their children were fluent without old English pre colonial politico cultural context their lingual ability was astonishing. The post colonial children lacking the recieved rigour of the expatriot pedant had the most wonderful lingual plasticity. The funniest jokes to them were plays on words that mixed false friends with the image of a khaki clad Mr. Bean complete with pith hat and sidearm stumbling across the river or through Chinua Achebe's evil forrest into a village reminiscent of Gabriel García Márquez' A Hundred Years of Solitude. Their mothers and fathers each spoke a different dialect along with others that resided in uncles and aunts so their lingual abilitys were almost atheletic.

However at UD there is no multilingual Elysian plutocracy just a wasteland of monodeist mental junkyards and certainly no Noble prize winning authors.

Or for that matter ...readers.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,09:46   

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1: The first talking head is Michael Cremo, author of "Forbidden Archeology".  I've read this book and it's pure crank.  Basically, if you carve some weird characters into a rock and rub dirt on it, Cremo will proclaim it genuine and build a story on how ancient civilizations visiting America before Columbus left it there.  Even if you're in Kansas.

So he's a Mormon, then.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,09:52   

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Identify the following (give first and last name where applicable) [1 point each/10 points total]:
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German who likened Christianity to smallpox.

He seemingly really really beleaves the Expelled/Hitler/evolution BS and the bearded loving old white man in the sky however, in a rather strange misogynic Mullings-esque way:  
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Someone comes to you explaining that her father abused her growing up and thus she has a hard time
conceiving of God as a loving father. Instead, she tells you that she much prefers mother imagery for God. In part, she justifies this by claiming that all our language of God is metaphorical and that father imagery for God is simply a hold-over from a patriarchal age. Defend the fatherhood of God against this line of attack.

FAUX NEWS 11PM

GOD UNDER ATTACK FROM ABUSED GIRL.

MAN STANDS ACCUSED.

MORE IN THE NEXT HOUR.

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"I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit
"Abbie Smith (ERV) who's got to be the most obnoxious arrogant snot I've ever seen except for when I look in a mirror" DAVE TARD
"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,10:01   

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3. You are to debate atheist Richard Dawkins on the relation between faith and science. Dawkins claims that science and reason render religious faith obsolete. Outline your opening statement in the debate. What view of the relation between science and faith would you take? How would your own Christian faith make a difference to the debate (as opposed to arguing for generic religious belief or for an alternative faith such as Islam)? [10 points]


Can't you just see it? The cameras zooming in on Dawkins' perspiring anguished face as his Christian opponent nails him with devastating question after question? The pathetic whining response as he tries to wriggle out from under the crushing weight of irrefutable argument? The stony silence of the audience who will have none of his evasive self-serving deceptions? The humble acceptance by the apologist of the community's accolades for his brilliant demolition of error and affirmation of What Is Right?

That isn't an exam question: it's Bill's fap fantasy.

well, I fapped tooo



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,10:17   

Quote (sparc @ Oct. 26 2012,03:30)
From #1:  
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Identify the following (give first and last name where applicable) [1 point each/10 points total]:
[...]
German who likened Christianity to smallpox.

He seemingly really really beleaves the Expelled/Hitler/evolution BS and the bearded loving old white man in the sky however, in a rather strange misogynic Mullings-esque way:  
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Someone comes to you explaining that her father abused her growing up and thus she has a hard time
conceiving of God as a loving father. Instead, she tells you that she much prefers mother imagery for God. In part, she justifies this by claiming that all our language of God is metaphorical and that father imagery for God is simply a hold-over from a patriarchal age. Defend the fatherhood of God against this line of attack.

If Dembski were interested in advancing apologetics, he would post the answers he gets from this exam on a site that allows open comments.  The next class has to take those comments into account in their answers.

Eventually he'll have either perfect apologetics or no one passing his class.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,10:31   

And speaking of Mullings, I would love to see kairosfocus take this class, just to see him try to fit his answers in 250 words.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,10:52   

You know Dembski used to give an assignment like "go onto a atheist board and post 10 times"?

The source of a few hit'n'runs I'm sure.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,10:59   

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1: The first talking head is Michael Cremo, author of "Forbidden Archeology".  I've read this book and it's pure crank.  Basically, if you carve some weird characters into a rock and rub dirt on it, Cremo will proclaim it genuine and build a story on how ancient civilizations visiting America before Columbus left it there.  Even if you're in Kansas.

So he's a Mormon, then.

IIRC, Michael Cremo is a Hindu -- Hare Krishna.  The universe is a lot older than a mere 13.5 billion years.

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