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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2011,09:20   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 18 2011,08:50)
If junk punctuation turns out to have function, does that prove ID?

Well UD makes extensive use of semi colons.

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2011,10:08   

Post translation modification

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This post is my personal attempt to reconcile recent statements made by   quell a TARDfight between Barry Arrington and Eric Holloway, regarding whether or not a supernatural Designer is required in order to produce a living thing.


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2011,22:12   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 18 2011,16:50)
If junk punctuation turns out to have function, does that prove ID?

Nup ......it only proves ID Eat's root's shoot's and leave's

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,05:53   

Has Steve Fuller become a YEC?  Watch his new animation (thankfully sans fart noises) and judge for yourselves.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,07:48   

Quote (keiths @ Sep. 19 2011,05:53)
Has Steve Fuller become a YEC?  Watch his new animation (thankfully sans fart noises) and judge for yourselves.

I'm sure it was a short walk.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,08:54   

I seem to have been banned from Corny Hunter's blog. Is that possible?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,09:04   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 19 2011,08:54)
I seem to have been banned from Corny Hunter's blog. Is that possible?

Haven't seen anyone banned yet.  His funky board SW security bot does still delete the odd post on its own, normally if you include a url link it doesn't like.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,09:30   

Hitting the post button just reloads the page. I'm logged in and have posted within the last couple of days.

I've tried logging out and closing and reopening the page.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,09:37   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 19 2011,09:30)
Hitting the post button just reloads the page. I'm logged in and have posted within the last couple of days.

I've tried logging out and closing and reopening the page.

That now happens if you have a problem in your post like an open tag.  Old SW used to highlight the error, new SW just bounces the post back.  Confused the heck out of me too until I figured out what the new SW was doing.

Try posting a simple test message with no tags, see what happens.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,09:45   

Oh.

Seems it doesn't like blockquotes. Correct or not.

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,11:15   

Quote (keiths @ Sep. 19 2011,05:53)
Has Steve Fuller become a YEC?  Watch his new animation (thankfully sans fart noises) and judge for yourselves.

I think just plain old muddled-thinking IDiot will do for an explanation.  It is true that evolution of all life would not work if the earth is young.  Kind of refutes the argument that Dawkins thinking is just "magic" though, because magic should not be able to be constrained to only work for a few billion years.  You know, kind of like creationism is not so limited.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,11:15   

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Blast from the past: Christian biology profs tell [Disgraced] Congressman:”materialistic science has greatly increased the American people’s quality of life”


I've never met Mark Souder, but he's a distant cousin of mine. At least I believe I share more gene sequences with him than with my Chimpanzee cousins.

But it's always good to have a relative, however distant, who can still preach Christian virtues while displaying none.

I give up on the link

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,12:54   

Fans of Elizabeth rejoice:

http://tinyurl.com/66ucxqb....66ucxqb

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,14:50   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 19 2011,12:54)
Fans of Elizabeth rejoice:

http://tinyurl.com/66ucxqb....66ucxqb

What a bunch of dunces (except Elizabeth).

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,15:06   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 19 2011,12:54)
Fans of Elizabeth rejoice:

http://tinyurl.com/66ucxqb....66ucxqb

Wow.

Four posts in and batshit77 is already screaming that Lizzie is a liar.

Joetard Gallien is doing his usual asinine IDiot dance claiming there is no evidence for abiogenesis, even though Lizzie has linked him to dozens of papers and offered to hand walk him through a few.

Chris Doyle accuses Lizzie of 'literature bluffing', demonstrates that he doesn't understand the first thing about how the scientific method works.

I have no idea how Lizzie keeps herself from beating the shit out of the lot of 'em with a tire iron.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,15:25   

Contratulations to Wes for making the Big Time

WND and FSTDT!

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JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,16:59   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 19 2011,15:06)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 19 2011,12:54)
Fans of Elizabeth rejoice:

http://tinyurl.com/66ucxqb....66ucxqb

Wow.

Four posts in and batshit77 is already screaming that Lizzie is a liar.

Joetard Gallien is doing his usual asinine IDiot dance claiming there is no evidence for abiogenesis, even though Lizzie has linked him to dozens of papers and offered to hand walk him through a few.

Chris Doyle accuses Lizzie of 'literature bluffing', demonstrates that he doesn't understand the first thing about how the scientific method works.

I have no idea how Lizzie keeps herself from beating the shit out of the lot of 'em with a tire iron.

It's amazing that Chris Doyle even still posts, given his cowardly douchebaggery over at Lizzie's blog.  Unfuckingbelievable.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,17:24   

UD has really become a clown-car filled cluster fuck.  There's more sense made at the Mad Hatter's tea party than at UD.

Data don't count and you can draw an infinite number of lines through a point only that doesn't matter because it's all just a wild guess.

Venus on a clamshell, UD has become a singularity of stupid.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,17:51   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 20 2011,08:24)
UD has really become a clown-car filled cluster fuck.  There's more sense made at the Mad Hatter's tea party than at UD.

Data don't count and you can draw an infinite number of lines through a point only that doesn't matter because it's all just a wild guess.

Venus on a clamshell, UD has become a singularity of stupid.

A few years ago I used to wonder why the more intelligent UDers didn't do more to censor the insane inmates. I think that the answer now is obvious...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,19:45   

Nick Matzke asks:
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How could JonathanM have missed this huge and obvious biological fact, if he is claiming to give a well-researched account of the system?

That's one o' them reetoerickle questions, right?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,20:41   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 19 2011,19:45)
Nick Matzke asks:
 
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How could JonathanM have missed this huge and obvious biological fact, if he is claiming to give a well-researched account of the system?

That's one o' them reetoerickle questions, right?

Scott Andrews takes a shot at Nick's answer, scores an own goal

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ScottAndrews September 19, 2011 at 6:57 pm

Nick,

You would have everyone’s full attention if you could refute Jonathan’s conclusion by describing how natural selection accounts for such developments. You could demolish his argument by providing yours. Instead, your objection calls attention to your inability to do so.

The trouble isn’t that your explanation isn’t good. It’s that you don’t have one at all. It’s like telling a child that babies from from storks. It only holds up as long as you avoid giving details. Eventually you have to admit that you don’t know where storks get babies and no one has ever seen a stork deliver a baby, and then you cave in like an extra on Law and Order.


Sure thing Scottie - like all those details you and the rest of the IDiots at UD have provided on the mechanisms of Intelligent Design.  Like when the design was done, and where, and by what physical processes, and by whom.

What a bunch of spineless hypocrites.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,20:47   

It's a sad commentary that Jonathan M is actually one of the more "intelligent" contributors to UD.

By design?

Animals Smarter than Jonathan M

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,21:18   

Quote (socle @ Sep. 19 2011,14:59)
It's amazing that Chris Doyle even still posts, given his cowardly douchebaggery over at Lizzie's blog.

Chris 'Brave Sir Robin' Doyle:
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A strong indication that you are lying to yourself is when you can’t substantiate your claims (citation bluffing is not a substitute for substantiation) or can’t engage with arguments (plenty of threads have come to an end here on Uncommon Descent because you [Elizabeth Liddle] disappeared instead of providing evidence for your position or even a detailed, cogent counter-argument).

Elizabeth Liddle:
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And, actually, Chris, this is pretty rich from you – I was delighted that you came over to my own site, where things move a bit more slowly, but not only did you “disappear” from the discussions you were having there, but, as far as I can tell, you deleted all your posts AS WELL as all the counter-arguments that had been made to you!


second-person pronoun disambiguation mine

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,21:37   

StephenB:    
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Elizabeth, I think the gentlemen are simply asking you to make the connection between the study (studies) that you cite and the substance of your claims.
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If you do not take us through the process, then it seems fair to suggest that you cannot take us through the process. . . . I promise you that William Dembski, Paul Marks, and Michael Behe can take you through this process from an ID perspective with their eyes closed and one-half of their brain tied behind their backs. The clarity of their arguments and the transparent relationship between those arguments and the evidence are all there to be evaluated. Indeed, I could, standing on their shoulders, do it myself.

   He could if he wanted to, but he's not but that doesn't mean he can't, so don't say that he can't just because he won't because he could if he wanted to, but he's not ....

emboldened assholisms mine

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F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,21:40   

hory shet, I didn't even see the part where Chris Doyle accused Lizzie of "disappearing"!  lol.

It's ironic that the topic of at least one of the threads CD deleted concerned how atheists supposedly have no rationale to act morally.  Then when he got his ass handed to him, he bailed out and destroyed the evidence.  I guess that's moral in his world.  

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,21:50   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 19 2011,15:24)
Venus on a clamshell, UD has become a singularity of stupid.

<Al Pacino> Every time I get out, they keep on bringing me back in. </Al Pacino>

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F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,22:14   

turell weighs in:
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Bacteria undoubedly developed these processes through the epigenetic codes, not Darwin’s random chance mutations and then natural selection. Epigenetics does not look at all passive as Darwinism presents, and suggests strongly that those codes were there from the beginning of life, that is, by intelligent design. See James Shapiro’s new book, a revelation.


I am not sure what an epigenetic code in bacteria would be - does he think patterns of acylation and methylation of histones apply?  Is there something to this, or is epigentics being used by an IDiot as a magic word to banish "Darwinism?"

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2011,23:21   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Sep. 19 2011,20:14)
turell weighs in:  
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Bacteria undoubedly developed these processes through the epigenetic codes, not Darwin’s random chance mutations and then natural selection. Epigenetics does not look at all passive as Darwinism presents, and suggests strongly that those codes were there from the beginning of life, that is, by intelligent design. See James Shapiro’s new book, a revelation.


I am not sure what an epigenetic code in bacteria would be - does he think patterns of acylation and methylation of histones apply?  Is there something to this, or is epigentics being used by an IDiot as a magic word to banish "Darwinism?"

I always figured that epigenetics came from the "Darwin didn't know about it, so it must refute Darwinism" chapter of the UD playbook. I doubt any of them really have any idea what epigenetics is.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,00:06   

Gil modestly proclaims:

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As you know, I was once Dawkins and Matzke, only significantly more obnoxious and prideful, if such a thing can even be imagined.


Linky

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2011,00:42   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 19 2011,22:06)
Gil modestly proclaims:

 
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As you know, I was once Dawkins and Matzke, only significantly more obnoxious and prideful, if such a thing can even be imagined.


Linky

Yeah,

But not as intelligent, accomplished, or well educated.

"more obnoxious and prideful" requires no imagination at all.

Edited by Dr.GH on Sep. 19 2011,22:44

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