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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,06:50   

Quote (Ftk @ April 02 2007,22:59)
That’s an interesting observation, Stephen.  But, I’ve sat in on many lectures, classes, and debates regarding these topics, and I’ve also read many peer-reviewed papers, and I can tell you that I have never seen words in them like the following:

pathetic, moron, ass-whopping, crotch, homos, stupid, IDiot, cunt, etc., etc., etc.

Nor have I ever seen the sarcasm, ridicule and habitual poking fun of others who hold difference scientific perspectives or religious ideals at any of the aforementioned places where scientific issues are usually addressed.  

In actuality, there is little science discussed here at all.  The object of most of these threads seems to be merely to ridicule others...

:O  :O  :O  :O  :O  :O  :O

she said **** ***** and *****

She's a witch, shes a witch, burn her ban her I say.


Of course ftk, it may be that the only honest peer review you will ever get in your vacuous insouciant life  of your ......er 'actual honesty' will probably be here and now.

Have a shit free day.

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,07:16   

Quote (Ftk @ April 02 2007,18:03)
Dave wrote:
"that you actually don't know the difference between an observation and a hypothesis. "

Yes Dave, you caught me in an error.  

snip...

I'm sure it is comforting to believe that everyone who disagrees with you simply "doesn't understand how science works", but I have a hard time believing that to be true.

If that was the only "error", I wouldn't have made the conclusion that your scientific understanding was negligible. The comments where I discussed that particular error contain multiple observations, all consistent with the hypothesis that your scientific understanding is negligible.

In addition, on two previous comment threads at your blog, I posed some problems to see if you knew anything about how evolution works, and also to see if you had any critical thinking skills. One of those problems is an example that I have used in my freshman biology class. Neither you nor DaveScot, who dropped into that particular comment thread, came close to giving me a useful answer.To his credit, after some snarling ad hominem putdowns, Dave did google an appropriate scientific paper and paste some comments from it (without thinking about the content, unfortunately)

So I actually have lots of observations to support that conclusion. In addition, I don't believe that everyone who disagrees with me is ignorant about science; that is putting words in my mouth again. I give folks the benefit of the doubt; they have to prove their ignorance. And I will change my mind about you, if you ever give me any evidence otherwise.

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As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,09:17   

This is what PZ actually says about FTK's status:

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These are a few annoying people I'm putting up with for now, but might throw into the hoosegow soon.

For the Kids
AKA FtK A particularly contemptible creationist who specializes in smarm and ooze. As you might guess from the alias, she thinks she's acting out of concern for children. Not a frequent commenter, though, so I haven't done much about her yet; she's been trolling Skatje's blog, though. Skatje thinks she's creepy.


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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,09:47   

Dammit Arden, why do you always have to let FACTS get in the way of a really good error? ;-)

Ok FTK,

I want to discuss science with you. I haven't bothered to read all the previous excitement so I don't know who was being rude to whom, when, how or why. Thus we can dispense with all that sort of thing.

So to kick of a really good scientific discussion:

With regards to the development of self replicating systems, what do you think about the relative roles of out of equilibrium systems (i.e. systems comprised of non linear dynamic processes like for example the Belousov Zabotinsky reaction, which itself is not an abiogenetic precursor per se, just an example of an out of equilibrium system which exhibits order) and self organising systems under thermodynamic control (i.e. spontaneous processes with a negative free energy change, for example crystallisation or surfactant aggregation and micelle formation) in the development of self replicating systems? While we're on the topic: Do you think micellular (or similar) encapsulation, while obviously an important step, was a vital step in the development of discrete self replicating systems, or are there other mechanisms you can think of for maintaining the discreteness of such a system?

Cheers

Louis

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,09:53   

Quote (Louis @ April 03 2007,10:47)
Dammit Arden, why do you always have to let FACTS get in the way of a really good error? ;-)

Ok FTK,

I want to discuss science with you. I haven't bothered to read all the previous excitement so I don't know who was being rude to whom, when, how or why. Thus we can dispense with all that sort of thing.

So to kick of a really good scientific discussion:

With regards to the development of self replicating systems, what do you think about the relative roles of out of equilibrium systems (i.e. systems comprised of non linear dynamic processes like for example the Belousov Zabotinsky reaction, which itself is not an abiogenetic precursor per se, just an example of an out of equilibrium system which exhibits order) and self organising systems under thermodynamic control (i.e. spontaneous processes with a negative free energy change, for example crystallisation or surfactant aggregation and micelle formation) in the development of self replicating systems? While we're on the topic: Do you think micellular (or similar) encapsulation, while obviously an important step, was a vital step in the development of discrete self replicating systems, or are there other mechanisms you can think of for maintaining the discreteness of such a system?

Cheers

Louis

If she wants to talk about science, we've got some good questions up for her. I want to see her explanation for how Wolpert doesn't understand his NFL theorem.

   
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,09:55   

Awwwwww but STEEEEEEEEEEEVE!!

Okay!

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,10:11   

Quote (stevestory @ April 03 2007,09:53)
 
Quote (Louis @ April 03 2007,10:47)
Dammit Arden, why do you always have to let FACTS get in the way of a really good error? ;-)

Ok FTK,

I want to discuss science with you. I haven't bothered to read all the previous excitement so I don't know who was being rude to whom, when, how or why. Thus we can dispense with all that sort of thing.

So to kick of a really good scientific discussion:

With regards to the development of self replicating systems, what do you think about the relative roles of out of equilibrium systems (i.e. systems comprised of non linear dynamic processes like for example the Belousov Zabotinsky reaction, which itself is not an abiogenetic precursor per se, just an example of an out of equilibrium system which exhibits order) and self organising systems under thermodynamic control (i.e. spontaneous processes with a negative free energy change, for example crystallisation or surfactant aggregation and micelle formation) in the development of self replicating systems? While we're on the topic: Do you think micellular (or similar) encapsulation, while obviously an important step, was a vital step in the development of discrete self replicating systems, or are there other mechanisms you can think of for maintaining the discreteness of such a system?

Cheers

Louis

If she wants to talk about science, we've got some good questions up for her. I want to see her explanation for how Wolpert doesn't understand his NFL theorem.

Actually, I think this is wrong, for a couple* of reasons.

1) She is a layperson, so the demands are unreasonable.
2) "X can't explain Y" is so Intelligent Design. Let's hear competing theories, but they must be theories, mind you.
3) Perhaps she has some questions of us that would broaden her (and my) understanding. Let's have them, we've got some really bright guys and girls her.

*Edit: Couple being 'three', apparently..

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,10:13   

You're right. I was being unfair. Sorry FTK. Have you got any scientific questions for any of us?

Louis

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,10:17   

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 03 2007,04:43)
   
Quote (argystokes @ April 02 2007,19:54)
Also, I wonder what she thinks of rocket scientists, of whom I suspect there are very few YECs. Perhaps rocket science is no design detectology.

Well, let's ask Werner Von Braun:

   
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In response to your inquiry about my personal views concerning the "Case for DESIGN" as a viable scientific theory for the origin of the universe, life and man, I am pleased to make the following observations.

etc etc etc etc..

We in NASA were often asked what the real reason was for the amazing string of successes we had with our Apollo flights to the Moon. I think the only honest answer we could give was that we tried to never overlook anything. It is in that same sense of scientific honesty that I endorse the presentation of alternative theories for the origin of the universe, life and man in the science classroom. It would be an error to overlook the possibility that the universe was planned rather than happening by chance.

With kindest regards.

Sincerely,

(signed) Wernher von Braun



Of course, Von Braun's vaunted religious faith in design didn't seem to prevent him from building ballistic missiles for the  ***Nazis***  . . . . . . Remember that, the next time some foaming fundie yammers to you that "Darwin was a racist !!!".

Wow !!!

Werner Von Braun father of the ICBM  AND ID!!!!!!

bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.


8 miles high and falling fast .......yeee har.

.....Must have been one of his duds.....it blew up on the launch pad....Dembski and Behe get nasty burns...god ...oh .....er the designer refuses to attend court to state his case to end argument for ever. Leaves ID in tatters supported only by a rusted on backwash loony fringe.

Ex Nazi rocket scientist discovered to be founding father of ID.

Stories of U boats with billions in gold bullion to found a 5th Reich resurface after Bill Dembski applies his EF filter to Von Braun’s unpublished manifesto for Designer World; a utopian walled state within a state where dissent is crushed through a Matrix like thought control PC/TV screen spewing Designer Party propaganda into every home.

NEWSPEAK reports 91% success.

The Designer Party demands 100% before implementing the final solution.

Designer Party broadcasts called DOG casts are carried on every news channel and the Designer’s message completely permeates every corner of society.  ‘Bless us O Designer’ is printed on Designer currency and his corporate symbol (a capital D with a semicolon in yellow or after dark a snake eating its own tail) is placed all over the country, people have T shirts printed with it and give them away on street corners along with the Designer Parties little black book a plagiarized reprinting of the Gospel according to Judas where the Designer Party apparatchiks have their names replace the Apostles ….William, Michael, Casey, Davetard, Sal etc.

What is left of government allows the Designer Party to take over the delivery of social security which is renamed as WHAMO.

Meetings are called once a week on Designer day where Designerists call the Party faithful to order and intone serious messages that scare children and cause them to grow up, get drunk and not wear undies to nightclubs and post the photos on MySpace.

TV's in Elevators and other public spaces urge followers of the Designer Party on as they go to their workstations to wage a cyber war on reality.

Whole countries disappear in a sea of useless noise as the Designer Party takes over the world’s most powerful democracy and fills the airwaves with manufactured homogenous drivel to both titillate and bore and totally mask the body count.

Forming an unholy alliance with a sinister cabal of corporations seemingly much more powerful than the mysterious Designer who seems to be permanently absent with only his press office able to issue ‘news releases' the Designer Party shows His agenda has perfect resonance with Halliburton's and Microsoft's corporate aims .....a monopoly on oil requiring helicoptor gunships to recover and Saint Bill the 1sts ascendency to ...er sainthood. .

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,11:18   

Quote (k.e @ April 03 2007,10:17)
8 miles high and falling fast .......yeee har.

.....Must have been one of his duds.....it blew up on the launch pad....Dembski and Behe get nasty burns...god ...oh .....er the designer refuses to attend court to state his case to end argument for ever. Leaves ID in tatters supported only by a rusted on backwash loony fringe.

Ex Nazi rocket scientist discovered to be founding father of ID.

Stories of U boats with billions in gold bullion to found a 5th Reich resurface after Bill Dembski applies his EF filter to Von Braun’s unpublished manifesto for Designer World; a utopian walled state within a state where dissent is crushed through a Matrix like thought control PC/TV screen spewing Designer Party propaganda into every home.

NEWSPEAK reports 91% success.

The Designer Party demands 100% before implementing the final solution.

Designer Party broadcasts called DOG casts are carried on every news channel and the Designer’s message completely permeates every corner of society.  ‘Bless us O Designer’ is printed on Designer currency and his corporate symbol (a capital D with a semicolon in yellow or after dark a snake eating its own tail) is placed all over the country, people have T shirts printed with it and give them away on street corners along with the Designer Parties little black book a plagiarized reprinting of the Gospel according to Judas where the Designer Party apparatchiks have their names replace the Apostles ….William, Michael, Casey, Davetard, Sal etc.

What is left of government allows the Designer Party to take over the delivery of social security which is renamed as WHAMO.

Meetings are called once a week on Designer day where Designerists call the Party faithful to order and intone serious messages that scare children and cause them to grow up, get drunk and not wear undies to nightclubs and post the photos on MySpace.

TV's in Elevators and other public spaces urge followers of the Designer Party on as they go to their workstations to wage a cyber war on reality.

Whole countries disappear in a sea of useless noise as the Designer Party takes over the world’s most powerful democracy and fills the airwaves with manufactured homogenous drivel to both titillate and bore and totally mask the body count.

Forming an unholy alliance with a sinister cabal of corporations seemingly much more powerful than the mysterious Designer who seems to be permanently absent with only his press office able to issue ‘news releases' the Designer Party shows His agenda has perfect resonance with Halliburton's and Microsoft's corporate aims .....a monopoly on oil requiring helicoptor gunships to recover and Saint Bill the 1sts ascendency to ...er sainthood. .


k.e. - Nicely done - Are you working on the sequal now?

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,11:49   

Quote (J-Dog @ April 03 2007,19:18)
Quote (k.e @ April 03 2007,10:17)
8 miles high and falling fast .......yeee har.

.....SNIP ... Designer Party shows His agenda has perfect resonance with Halliburton's and Microsoft's corporate aims .....a monopoly on oil requiring helicoptor gunships to recover and Saint Bill the 1sts ascendency to ...er sainthood. .


k.e. - Nicely done - Are you working on the sequal now?

ftk provided the inspiration or agravation its hard to tell sometimes...

...all that is required is an insult to my intelligence which as you can probably tell by my counter-insults are more insult than intelligence.

If you want more dig me up some delicious fresh tard...snicker.


MY INTELLIGENCE IS SOMEWHERE NORTH OF NEVERLAND  NEAR THE BIT WHERE THE GREEN WIGGLY LINE MEETS THE BLUE BIT. LORFING I INSULT MYSELF SOMETIMES-dt

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,13:19   

Louis writes:
Quote (Louis @ April 03 2007,10:13)
You're right. I was being unfair. Sorry FTK. Have you got any scientific questions for any of us?


But if you already have all the answers , why would you have any questions?

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
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To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,13:36   

I think PZ sums her up pretty well:

For the Kids
AKA FtK A particularly contemptible creationist who specializes in smarm and ooze.

It was interesting to watch "Dave" (Albatrossity2) post on her lame blog, but she came here with a chip on her overweight shoulder, and she can leave with a kick to her no doubt expansive backside.  

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,13:54   

ROTFL...

I assure you I don't have an "expansive" backside.  In fact, I'm a 5'10" blond who could probably take quite a few of you science types.  Your stereotypical nerdy scientist has never been described as particularly studly.  

My blog diet was set up in preparation for the summer bikini.

Have a nice day boys...

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,14:01   

Quote (Ftk @ April 03 2007,13:54)
probably take quite a few of you science types.  Your stereotypical nerdy scientist has never been described as particularly studly.

yeah, whatever. Your stereotypical nerdy scientist invented your modern way of life. What you've done?

EDIT: And threats of violence? I guess we should expect no less when logic fails you.

EDIT EDIT: And you've not addressed a single substantive point on this thread. Do you think your stereotypical nerdy scientist will fail to notice, and note such a data point?

EDIT EDIT EDIT: Ever meet AFDave FTK? That's what lies ahead on the road you are travelling. Your behaviour here reminds me so of him.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,14:07   

Quote (Ftk @ April 03 2007,13:54)
ROTFL...

I assure you I don't have an "expansive" backside.  In fact, I'm a 5'10" blond who could probably take quite a few of you science types.  Your stereotypical nerdy scientist has never been described as particularly studly.  

My blog diet was set up in preparation for the summer bikini.

Have a nice day boys...

So you are really good looking. I can easilly accept that. Now, are you willing to answer any serious questions?

Before you make an argument though, check it out on talkorigins first. Chances are, it is already on there. I found that quite embarrasing.

  
slpage



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,14:26   

Quote (Ftk @ April 02 2007,14:59)
That’s an interesting observation, Stephen.  But, I’ve sat in on many lectures, classes, and debates regarding these topics, and I’ve also read many peer-reviewed papers...

Really?

What was the last peer-reviewed paper that you read, and could you give us a quick summary of it?

  
slpage



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,14:29   

Quote (Ftk @ April 02 2007,13:19)
Thanks for the welcome, Richard.  

My contributions to this forum will be sparse.  I find no reason to carry on sincere conversations with people who are incapable of respectfully considering perspectives that differ from their own.

Yeah....

So what is your position on people who simply ignore contrary evidence?

  
slpage



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,14:35   

Quote (Ftk @ April 02 2007,13:43)
Alan,

Would you mind if I make a list of words and phrases taken from this forum which are highly inappropriate when discussing the issues surrounding this debate? It may take quite some time to put together as there is a lot to work with here, but I'd be willing to point them out to you.

Stating your case is one thing -- nasty and vulgar responses on a regular basis is another, and you're certainly not going to convince someone of your point when you act in such an unprofessional and childish manner.

There's that strange right-wing obsession with potty-mouth.  Oh, they can claim that we are all deluded, deceived, all liars, incompetents, stupid, childish, etc. But boy if you toss out the a-word, they don't wanna talk to you meanie-heads no more!

  
slpage



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,14:44   

Quote (Ftk @ April 02 2007,18:03)
Biology certainly isn't rocket science, and it doesn't take a genius to understand it.

So, do you think one has to be a genius to engage in 'rocket science'?  I ask because, first of all, 'rocket scientists' are primarily engineers, which are applied scientists (that is, they take the primary research that others have done and apply it to particular problems).  Sure, there are physicists involved, but I don't suspect it is terribly difficult to plug numbers into alread-developed formulae to figure things out, providing you have the appropriate training.

Plus, I purchased this compendium of information on the Saturn 5 rocket - 4 DVDs with something like 16 hours of footage.  And I was surprised to see how many failures there were on the project - valves not working and causing explosions, welds not holding, incorrect values being employed producing catastrophic failures in test engines and fuel tanks and all kinds of stuff.

When you only focus on the successes, it sure is impressive to be called  a 'rocket scientist'. If you look at the big picture, they re really no 'better' than any other scientist.

And it is a HUGE misconception that biology is so easy.  If that were the case, people like3 Dembski would not still be relying on asinine english language analogies.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,14:49   

Quote (Ftk @ April 03 2007,13:54)
ROTFL...

I assure you I don't have an "expansive" backside.  In fact, I'm a 5'10" blond who could probably take quite a few of you science types.  Your stereotypical nerdy scientist has never been described as particularly studly.  

My blog diet was set up in preparation for the summer bikini.

Have a nice day boys...

Steve Story and I are both north of 6'2....

OH MY GAWD I SOUND LIKE DAVETARD!

In other generalization news.. those little Asians sure do love photography..... and electronics.

Narrow minds with broad bushes..

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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,14:50   

Quote

Would you mind if I make a list of words and phrases taken from this forum which are highly inappropriate when discussing the issues surrounding this debate? It may take quite some time to put together as there is a lot to work with here, but I'd be willing to point them out to you.


I suppose it's vastly easier for FTK to collect dirty words than actually, you know, refute the scientific challenges to ID. That'll win over lots of converts, and temporarily distract people from her own dishonest nonsense.

Quote

I assure you I don't have an "expansive" backside.  In fact, I'm a 5'10" blond who could probably take quite a few of you science types.  


Please. The Mister Tough Guy routine doesn't work for Dave Scot, what make you think YOU can pull it off?



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,15:13   

Quote (slpage @ April 03 2007,14:26)
Quote (Ftk @ April 02 2007,14:59)
That’s an interesting observation, Stephen.  But, I’ve sat in on many lectures, classes, and debates regarding these topics, and I’ve also read many peer-reviewed papers...

Really?

What was the last peer-reviewed paper that you read, and could you give us a quick summary of it?

Somehow I think it's all hot air. In some ways it's like teenagers boasting about how many cigarettes they smoke, but in reality they don't smoke at all.

Guess how many peer reviewed papers I read last night?

I'd propose a wager as to FTK's response, but there's too many people here who'd know a sure thing when they saw it :) and the odds would have to be looonnggg.

IDers think if you have the slightest veneer of science (the verbal equivilent of the lab coat, chucking around the phrase "peer reviewed article") then somehow ID will become science and it's practitioners scientists. Like sombody here pointed out, IDers are cargo-cultists.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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bystander



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,16:54   

As a non-science type guy I think it is a shame that FtK will probably not contribute here.
Although she only repeats the standard ID memes I am curious around her non-questioning of the ID leaders in non-scientific areas. A good example is the PT detailed take down of Well's book. Except for a brief flurry about the drawings of THOSE embryos. There has been silence.

Even if I didn't understand the take-down myself, the silence from those on the ID side should be telling in itself and I would be asking why.

I don't think that it is dishonest to not know why something like "SLoT disproves evolution" is a stupid argument. I do think it is dishonest to just repeat ID memes and not ask the hard questions of yourselves.

Michael

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,17:01   

Quote (bystander @ April 03 2007,16:54)
As a non-science type guy I think it is a shame that FtK will probably not contribute here.
Although she only repeats the standard ID memes I am curious around her non-questioning of the ID leaders in non-scientific areas. A good example is the PT detailed take down of Well's book. Except for a brief flurry about the drawings of THOSE embryos. There has been silence.

Even if I didn't understand the take-down myself, the silence from those on the ID side should be telling in itself and I would be asking why.

I don't think that it is dishonest to not know why something like "SLoT disproves evolution" is a stupid argument. I do think it is dishonest to just repeat ID memes and not ask the hard questions of yourselves.

Michael

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,17:35   

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probably take quite a few of you science types.  Your stereotypical nerdy scientist has never been described as particularly studly.

yeah, whatever. Your stereotypical nerdy scientist invented your modern way of life. What you've done?

EDIT: And threats of violence? I guess we should expect no less when logic fails you.

EDIT EDIT: And you've not addressed a single substantive point on this thread. Do you think your stereotypical nerdy scientist will fail to notice, and note such a data point?

EDIT EDIT EDIT: Ever meet AFDave FTK? That's what lies ahead on the road you are travelling. Your behaviour here reminds me so of him.

AFDave gets killed when he puts forth really horrible YEC 'science' arguments. FtK is choosing to avoid this fate, apparently. I'm hoping that changes and she wants to start talking about papers, data, predictions, and the like. We need some red meat. Arguing about science has been a little thin since AFDave.

By the way, you're all encouraged to seek out and invite creationists here. With no creationists here, all we get to do is laugh amongst ourselves about what they post on UD, OE, etc. Sure, it's fun, but it gets a little old.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,17:38   

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A good example is the PT detailed take down of Well's book.

I'm sure you meant Wells's or Wells'.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,17:46   

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I don't think that it is dishonest to not know why something like "SLoT disproves evolution" is a stupid argument. I do think it is dishonest to just repeat ID memes and not ask the hard questions of yourselves.

Michael

I wouldn't say it's dishonest. I think if you see Philip Johnson, a retired lawyer who's never calculated (delta)S once in his entire life, and he claims that all the scientists in the world are wrong about SLoT, I think if you see that and it doesn't immediately occur to you that Philip Johnson probably has no idea what he's talking about, you're not so much dishonest, it's just that for whatever reason you don't have the brains god gave a goose.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,17:52   

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ROTFL...

I assure you I don't have an "expansive" backside.  In fact, I'm a 5'10" blond who could probably take quite a few of you science types.  Your stereotypical nerdy scientist has never been described as particularly studly.  

My blog diet was set up in preparation for the summer bikini.

Have a nice day boys...

Photos, please.

I'm already on record as saying I'd "do" Ann Coulter, so I have no problem sleeping with the enemy. . . . .

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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,17:58   

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 03 2007,17:52)
Quote (Ftk @ April 03 2007,13:54)
ROTFL...

I assure you I don't have an "expansive" backside.  In fact, I'm a 5'10" blond who could probably take quite a few of you science types.  Your stereotypical nerdy scientist has never been described as particularly studly.  

My blog diet was set up in preparation for the summer bikini.

Have a nice day boys...

Photos, please.

I'm already on record as saying I'd "do" Ann Coulter, so I have no problem sleeping with the enemy. . . . .

Proof that no bible = no morality.


*Hides Grandma*

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