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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,10:11   

A certain "Scott" is handing Corny and his followers their asses here and here.

Very entertaining watching as the "faithful" unknowingly let the cat-out-of-the-bag, demonstrating quite specifically that ID has nothing to do with science.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,12:13   

Quote (Robin @ Mar. 08 2012,10:11)
A certain "Scott" is handing Corny and his followers their asses here and here.

Very entertaining watching as the "faithful" unknowingly let the cat-out-of-the-bag, demonstrating quite specifically that ID has nothing to do with science.

Can't seem to post there.  Oh well...

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Fianna:

If God came down from on high and said "To be a true believer in ME, you must kill and consume one human baby"

What is your answer?

The only possible answer from a true Christian is "Pass the ketchup."  But I bet you will not choose this answer as you know that killing and eating human babies is wrong.  Here, your own personal morals (and that of the culture that raised you) overcome God's command.

You could answer "No way"... but again, you would be stating that your morals are superior to God's.  

No, you will choose the only other possible answer and that is "God would never do that".  However, that doesn't help you either, because you are stating that God cannot do something and that there is an objective moral construct that even God must obey.

In that sense you are correct, because "God" is a social and cultural construct that fits in with the culture in which you are currently living.  Two hundred years ago, slavery was perfectly OK and God and the Bible and Jesus were used to support that.  Why are God, the Bible, and Jesus not being used to support slavery now?

Because, as a culture, we have grown in near adulthood and understand that holding another human being as property is wrong.  God hasn't changed, the Bible hasn't changed.  We have changed... and therefore our interpretation of the Bible and God have changed.

Once you accept that, then it's just a short step to wonder why we even need the "God" construct at all and we can all lead perfectly moral and polite lives without It.

I also note that you did not list and "facts" about evolution that are taught but are wrong.  


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REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2012,22:53   

CH is on a roll this week-more rants on the science is religious, therefore bad, long live my religion.

Calling Bruce Alberts a Gnostic (not agnostic) was weird to say the least. But then this-

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Dont miss Butler Day at the Cambridge Science Festival next Saturday where evolutionist Ben Irvine will knock down straw men objections to Darwins theory and explain how understanding Darwinism better can help us all to achieve well-being.

In other news evolutionists performed over 40 million abortions last year.

Religion drives science and it matters.


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,03:29   

Quote (REC @ Mar. 10 2012,20:53)
CH is on a roll this week-more rants on the science is religious, therefore bad, long live my religion.

Calling Bruce Alberts a Gnostic (not agnostic) was weird to say the least. But then this-

 
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Dont miss Butler Day at the Cambridge Science Festival next Saturday where evolutionist Ben Irvine will knock down straw men objections to Darwins theory and explain how understanding Darwinism better can help us all to achieve well-being.

In other news evolutionists performed over 40 million abortions last year.

Religion drives science and it matters.


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So, according to corny, over 40 million abortions were "performed" last year by "evolutionists". Hmm, I wonder if he personally asked every person who "performed" any or all those alleged abortions if they're an "evolutionist"? Obviously, to corny, anyone who performs an abortion must be an "evolutionist" and corny absolutely hates "evolutionists" and blames "evolutionists" for all the world's ills whether they really are "evolutionists" or not.

joe g likes to say that ID isn't anti-evolution but anyone who pays attention to the ID agenda knows that ID is anti-evolution, and in corny's case it's really, really obvious that he is ANTI-evolution! He constantly bitches about "evolution" and "evolutionists". He's a religious nutcase, just like all the other IDiots.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,13:28   

Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 11 2012,01:29)
 
Quote (REC @ Mar. 10 2012,20:53)
CH is on a roll this week-more rants on the science is religious, therefore bad, long live my religion.

Calling Bruce Alberts a Gnostic (not agnostic) was weird to say the least. But then this-

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Dont miss Butler Day at the Cambridge Science Festival next Saturday where evolutionist Ben Irvine will knock down straw men objections to Darwins theory and explain how understanding Darwinism better can help us all to achieve well-being.

In other news evolutionists performed over 40 million abortions last year.

Religion drives science and it matters.


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So, according to corny, over 40 million abortions were "performed" last year by "evolutionists". Hmm, I wonder if he personally asked every person who "performed" any or all those alleged abortions if they're an "evolutionist"? Obviously, to corny, anyone who performs an abortion must be an "evolutionist" and corny absolutely hates "evolutionists" and blames "evolutionists" for all the world's ills whether they really are "evolutionists" or not.

joe g likes to say that ID isn't anti-evolution but anyone who pays attention to the ID agenda knows that ID is anti-evolution, and in corny's case it's really, really obvious that he is ANTI-evolution! He constantly bitches about "evolution" and "evolutionists". He's a religious nutcase, just like all the other IDiots.

Perhaps "evolutionists" perform the abortions, but I have a question for Corny if someone could relay it to his blog: Who gets abortions and supplies the demand "evolutionists" allegedly fulfill?

"Almost three-quarters of women obtaining abortions in 2008 reported a religious affiliation. The largest proportion were Protestant (37%), and most of the rest said that they were Catholic (28%) or that they had no religious affiliation (27%). One in five abortion patients identified themselves as born-again, evangelical, charismatic or fundamentalist; 75% of these were Protestant."

From here (PDF).

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2012,17:24   

Quote (REC @ Mar. 10 2012,22:53)
CH is on a roll this week-more rants on the science is religious, therefore bad, long live my religion.

Calling Bruce Alberts a Gnostic (not agnostic) was weird to say the least. But then this-

 
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Dont miss Butler Day at the Cambridge Science Festival next Saturday where evolutionist Ben Irvine will knock down straw men objections to Darwins theory and explain how understanding Darwinism better can help us all to achieve well-being.

In other news evolutionists performed over 40 million abortions last year.

Religion drives science and it matters.


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This kind of shit really twists my melon. I am a mild-mannered type, but - as a commenter on that piece suggested - evolutionists place no value on human life. Yes, of course. That would be why I'm such a shit dad, husband and friend, why I never stop to help strangers in a car crash, give blood or carry a donor card, why I regularly take myself off and torture babies and puppies, why I'm right behind killing Muslims in their beds and state executions. Oh, hang on, none of that's me. I do value life. And I don't even need a fucking celestial Reward to keep me on the straight and narrow. How can that be ...?

I was involved in an abortion decision, and it still breaks my fucking heart. I think it was the right thing to do, and I think that there is a need. In the real world people have sex, contraception isn't foolproof, not everyone is financially secure, and we are on our way to being the only species left on the planet. I'd rather there wasn't a need, and if I were God ... but no, it was a desperately hard decision that still haunts me. So fuck off Hunter, that is just contemptible.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,18:31   

Over on Corny's blog, regular UD IDiot PaV (posting as Lino D'Ischia) gives a lesson in probability theory

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If I roll a six-sided die 24 times, what is the probability that I will get a six?

It's 24 x 1/6 = 4.0


A probability of 4.0

Comedy gold.

:D :D :D :D :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,19:04   

Corny's signature sign-off seems appropriate:
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It is yet another example of how the evolutionary thinking creationism is corrupting science and, in this case, basic mathematics.

Religion drives science, and it matters.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,20:57   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 13 2012,18:31)
Over on Corny's blog, regular UD IDiot PaV (posting as Lino D'Ischia) gives a lesson in probability theory

 
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If I roll a six-sided die 24 times, what is the probability that I will get a six?

It's 24 x 1/6 = 4.0


A probability of 4.0

Comedy gold.

:D :D :D :D :D

That's amazingly wrong in every dimension! At least one 6? Just one six?

P>1 was the icing on the CAEK, though.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,21:49   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 13 2012,20:57)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 13 2012,18:31)
Over on Corny's blog, regular UD IDiot PaV (posting as Lino D'Ischia) gives a lesson in probability theory

 
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If I roll a six-sided die 24 times, what is the probability that I will get a six?

It's 24 x 1/6 = 4.0


A probability of 4.0

Comedy gold.

:D :D :D :D :D

That's amazingly wrong in every dimension! At least one 6? Just one six?

P>1 was the icing on the CAEK, though.

PaV doubles down on the stupidity.

After his last error is pointed out to him, he 'corrects' it with

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Here's your answer:

The formula is:
{1-[(5/6)^5N]} = 0.9351


where N apparently equals 3.

...all you can do is shake your head. :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,22:56   

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If I roll a six-sided die 24 times, what is the probability that I will get a six?

It's not about right.

It's not about wrong.

It's about... power!

(i.e., exponent)

Henry

  
REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,21:44   

Did you see his attempt at Chemistry?!?

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And let's look at the fact that entropy will cause the amino acids to become dilute in the ocean. The number of a.a. per mole, and the number of litres are roughly the same. So, for a molar concentration of 1 in a million (10^-6), this means each a.a. will be surrounded by a million litres = million x 1,000 c.c., = cube root of 10^9 divided by 8 radial distance = 125 cm. = 48 in. roughly. So EACH a.a. is 4 feet from the nearest next amino acid. How can they get close enough to form a bond exactly?


What is with creationists and moles?

I like the million liters occupying a few cubic feet after some "math."

A concentration of one micromolar has about 600 million molecules per nanoliter.

Edited by REC on Mar. 14 2012,21:52

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,22:21   

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What is with creationists and moles?

My guess is that the creationists keep running into moles in those holes that the creationists insist on digging for themselves.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,22:26   

So PaV was the guy trying to dismiss the paper by Jeff Shallit and me over on Good Math, Bad Math? Interesting.

Probability of 4.0. That might be sig-worthy in a world without Dorothy Parker in it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,22:40   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 14 2012,21:26)
Probability of 4.0. That might be sig-worthy in a world without Dorothy Parker in it.

I wonder if the one who did that "math" was giving it his 110 percent?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2012,03:39   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 14 2012,22:26)
So PaV was the guy trying to dismiss the paper by Jeff Shallit and me over on Good Math, Bad Math? Interesting.

Probability of 4.0. That might be sig-worthy in a world without Dorothy Parker in it.

I don't know, but I get the impression that even I, non-mathematical me, are able to understand who's right and who's not in the Good Math, Bad Math thread. If that is right, the Bad Mathers must be awfully bad. Let me guess: It is because they are after a particular answer that they somehow 'know' has got to be there, or else? And that runs all the way back from the sycopanths to WMAD himself.

Just my opininon, too late for me to learn math now. I might as well keep my big mouth shut but sometimes one gets fed up with the attempts at creating irrational models of the world.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2012,05:46   

Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 14 2012,22:40)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 14 2012,21:26)
Probability of 4.0. That might be sig-worthy in a world without Dorothy Parker in it.

I wonder if the one who did that "math" was giving it his 110 percent?

400%, more like.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2012,06:21   

REC:  
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A concentration of one micromolar has about 600 million molecules per nanoliter.

Now you tell me. After I'd just ordered a set of 4-foot test-tubes.

Still, nothing acts against the tendency of molecules to dissipate in solution. Nothing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2012,06:23   

Quote (Quack @ Mar. 15 2012,11:39)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 14 2012,22:26)
So PaV was the guy trying to dismiss the paper by Jeff Shallit and me over on Good Math, Bad Math? Interesting.

Probability of 4.0. That might be sig-worthy in a world without Dorothy Parker in it.

I don't know, but I get the impression that even I, non-mathematical me, are able to understand who's right and who's not in the Good Math, Bad Math thread. If that is right, the Bad Mathers must be awfully bad. Let me guess: It is because they are after a particular answer that they somehow 'know' has got to be there, or else? And that runs all the way back from the sycopanths to WMAD himself.

Just my opininon, too late for me to learn math now. I might as well keep my big mouth shut but sometimes one gets fed up with the attempts at creating irrational models of the world.

HAH! WHO ARE YOU TO TALK? HOMO.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 23 2012,15:56   

Hunter mega-botches the science again:

"Another such feature is the lack of endemic infectious retroviruses in humans. The problem is that these viruses are present in the other primates, and so according to evolutionists these viruses must be present in their common ancestor which, again according to evolution, would be an ancestor of humans as well. This leaves evolution with yet another ridiculous just-so story. ... In other words, when evolution spontaneously created humans our DNA must have been purged. We got a do-over! Hilarious."

Of course, he's confused endemic infectious retroviruses (like HIV and HTLV--which um, definitely affect Humans, despite Hunter's claim we lack them; or SIV) with endogenous retroviruses.

Endemic infectious retroviruses, being infectious (acquired), and not endogenous don't integrate in the germline and transmit--leaving nothing to be 'purged' from the genome after the host evolved to be non-susceptible to infection.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 23 2012,16:33   

Perhaps ERV would want to weigh in on this.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 23 2012,17:10   

Quote (midwifetoad @ April 23 2012,16:33)
Perhaps ERV would want to weigh in on this.

OK - I'd buy a ticket!

ERV vs. Corny is like Super Girl vs 7th Grade Bully - OK, I'd buy a ticket to that!

Just give me some time to buy some call options on Kiberly Clark.  I'm projecting a HUGE spike in sales of Kleenex and Depends...

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(Permalink) Posted: April 23 2012,19:59   

Quote (J-Dog @ April 23 2012,15:10)
Quote (midwifetoad @ April 23 2012,16:33)
Perhaps ERV would want to weigh in on this.

OK - I'd buy a ticket!

ERV vs. Corny is like Super Girl vs 7th Grade Bully - OK, I'd buy a ticket to that!

Just give me some time to buy some call options on Kiberly Clark. I'm projecting a HUGE spike in sales of Kleenex and Depends...

and monitor screen wipes.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 23 2012,21:06   

Quote (REC @ April 23 2012,15:56)
Hunter mega-botches the science again:

"Another such feature is the lack of endemic infectious retroviruses in humans. The problem is that these viruses are present in the other primates, and so according to evolutionists these viruses must be present in their common ancestor which, again according to evolution, would be an ancestor of humans as well. This leaves evolution with yet another ridiculous just-so story. ... In other words, when evolution spontaneously created humans our DNA must have been purged. We got a do-over! Hilarious."

Of course, he's confused endemic infectious retroviruses (like HIV and HTLV--which um, definitely affect Humans, despite Hunter's claim we lack them; or SIV) with endogenous retroviruses.

Endemic infectious retroviruses, being infectious (acquired), and not endogenous don't integrate in the germline and transmit--leaving nothing to be 'purged' from the genome after the host evolved to be non-susceptible to infection.

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Endemic vs endogenous.  Corny doesn't know his end from a hole in the ground.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2012,11:09   

Heh, I just made that comment!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2012,12:59   

WTF?

Somebody want to tell Corey about;

"Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences" Welkin E. Johnson and John M. Coffin,  PNAS August 31, 1999 vol. 96 no. 18 10254-10260
doi: 10.1073/pnas.96.18.10254

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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2012,13:16   

Oddly, he deleted DNA "for clarity," while maintaining he made no mistake.

Now his incredible evidence against evolution is that viruses don't affect all lineages coming from a common ancestor equally well?

On that same thread, BA77 blows a gasket:

"bornagain77Apr 23, 2012 03:54 PM
Okie Dokie children, fun with Derick time,

See Derick? Derick is an atheist! Derick does not believe in objective morality! Poor Derick! Poor Derick cannot ground objective morality! Poor, Poor, Derick! Liar lie badly to Derick! Don't cry Derick! See Derick make moral argument against lying? Oh but poor Derick have no objective morality to appeal to! Poor, Poor, Derick! See Derick go to rubber room if he lived consistently in his atheistic worldview? Poor, poor, Derick!"

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2012,13:33   

Quote (REC @ April 24 2012,11:16)
Oddly, he deleted DNA "for clarity," while maintaining he made no mistake.

Now his incredible evidence against evolution is that viruses don't affect all lineages coming from a common ancestor equally well?

On that same thread, BA77 blows a gasket:

"bornagain77Apr 23, 2012 03:54 PM
Okie Dokie children, fun with Derick time,

See Derick? Derick is an atheist! Derick does not believe in objective morality! Poor Derick! Poor Derick cannot ground objective morality! Poor, Poor, Derick! Liar lie badly to Derick! Don't cry Derick! See Derick make moral argument against lying? Oh but poor Derick have no objective morality to appeal to! Poor, Poor, Derick! See Derick go to rubber room if he lived consistently in his atheistic worldview? Poor, poor, Derick!"

I doubt any of us can match Batshit's expertise on the subject of rubber rooms.

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REC



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(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2012,11:09   

Asking for a evolutionary prediction he has falsified, Cornelius has just informed me that:

"Evolution did not expect lineage-specific biology."

So I guess in 'descent with modification,' there is apparently no 'modification.' Some prediction.

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I guess others have known him longer than I, but I can't get over how an author with a Ph.D. can have such disrespect for and disinterest in the science he's mangling.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2012,18:14   

Oh what a mangled web we weave when we first practice to dissemble?

Henry

  
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