RSS 2.0 Feed

» Welcome Guest Log In :: Register

Pages: (500) < ... 72 73 74 75 76 [77] 78 79 80 81 82 ... >   
  Topic: Uncommonly Dense Thread 2, general discussion of Dembski's site< Next Oldest | Next Newest >  
J-Dog



Posts: 4362
Joined: Dec. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,07:43   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 14 2008,00:36)
Look at Denyse's version of Poe's Law:

Quote
Poe’s law: Students cannot form logical position about television’s impact?
O'Leary
...
Note: Poe’s law states that some people or situations just cannot be parodied because you couldn’t make up stuff that is further along the continuum.


"some people or situations"? That's deliberately vague.

Wikipedia:
Quote
Poe's Law — Without a blatant indicator such as a smiley, it is impossible to tell the difference between religious Fundamentalism and a parody thereof.




Linky

Denyse is to writing what Palin is to speaking.

Only without the ILF part....

--------------
Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Louis



Posts: 6436
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,07:51   

Incidentally, I know the tagline for this thread was changed a few days/weeks ago, but I forgot to mention it until now.

Steve, you've misspelled the word "shite".

Louis

--------------
Bye.

  
Stephen Elliott



Posts: 1754
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,13:21   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 13 2008,14:19)
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18






Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69

That bloody surprised me but it put me roughly = to Ghandi. I thought I was slightly authoritarian. Either I am wrong or the poll is skewed.

Ahhhh! Another possibility. I am authoritarian/conservative (UK standard) AND a damned libertarian/commie (USA standard). [Guess that would be "skewed"]

Weird thing is that I do believe government should have authority. I just think the authority should come from the people and be held accountable.

Some of those questions seemed surprising. Particularly the astrology 1, at first I thought it was astronomy. Does anyone think astrology makes accurate predictions? Oooops! Forgot about UD for a second.

  
dnmlthr



Posts: 565
Joined: Mar. 2008

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,13:58   

The pseudoscience questions surprised me as well. How does astrology fit into the existing scales?

Or do they have an imaginary axis that isn't reported to the submitter?

I'll get me coat.

--------------
Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

  
dvunkannon



Posts: 1377
Joined: June 2008

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,15:36   

Denyse gets subversive with an artificial evolution video. She's not quite courageous enough to pull the trigger and say

1 - complexity, even within the understanding of human ingenuity, can be produced by an unthinking process
2 - many small and distributed increments of an unthinking process can lead to complexity.

Wow, Denyse, if evolution can do that with walking, imagine what it can do with the rest of the brain!

To her credit, she does not try to play the "design smuggled in" card. GilD to lay it down in 3... 2... 1...

--------------
I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
Henry J



Posts: 4060
Joined: Mar. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,16:11   

Quote
Or do they have an imaginary axis


Sounds like a complex idea...

  
Skullboy



Posts: 24
Joined: Sep. 2008

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,16:44   

Just to document this before it's gone:

Another doomed UD comment

   
Quote
Joejoe17

10/14/2008

4:17 pm
Actually, Poe’s Law states that religious fundamentalists just cannot be parodied.

Of course on this site, I can see why you offered a slightly modified version of the true Poe’s Law.

  
Texas Teach



Posts: 1021
Joined: April 2007

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,16:58   

Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 14 2008,07:43)
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 14 2008,00:36)
Look at Denyse's version of Poe's Law:

 
Quote
Poe’s law: Students cannot form logical position about television’s impact?
O'Leary
...
Note: Poe’s law states that some people or situations just cannot be parodied because you couldn’t make up stuff that is further along the continuum.


"some people or situations"? That's deliberately vague.

Wikipedia:
 
Quote
Poe's Law — Without a blatant indicator such as a smiley, it is impossible to tell the difference between religious Fundamentalism and a parody thereof.




Linky

Denyse is to writing what Palin is to speaking.

Only without the ILF part....

We could give her back just the M and the F.  At least that's what I say after a few minutes of trying to read her.

--------------
"Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr

  
Ptaylor



Posts: 884
Joined: Aug. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,19:31   

Quote (Skullboy @ Oct. 14 2008,16:44)
Just to document this before it's gone:

Another doomed UD comment

     
Quote
Joejoe17

10/14/2008

4:17 pm
Actually, Poe’s Law states that religious fundamentalists just cannot be parodied.

Of course on this site, I can see why you offered a slightly modified version of the true Poe’s Law.

...and now:
 
Quote



--------------
“To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today.” - Isaac Asimov

"Grow up, assface" - Joe G., grown up ID spokesperson, Sandwalk, April 2014

  
stevestory



Posts: 8896
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,21:02   

Smart comments at UD are sandcastles. They're around for a few hours, then poof they're gone.

   
didymos



Posts: 1825
Joined: Mar. 2008

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,21:12   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 14 2008,01:08)
Oh, I'm just mocking Davetard here, not defending Religulous.


That was my intent as well. I just thought it was funny that DaveTard thought he was somehow retaliating for the drubbing Expelled got, and succeeded only in making Expelled look worse and himself a moron.  Again.

--------------
I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
Henry J



Posts: 4060
Joined: Mar. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,22:23   

Quote
Smart comments at UD are sandcastles. They're around for a few hours, then poof they're gone.


Well, for people who think species originated via poof, maybe it's only logical that posts can evaporate via poof? Reuse of the same mechanism would presumably minimize the number of entities that have to be assumed in their model.

Henry

  
sparc



Posts: 1697
Joined: April 2007

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,23:19   

DO'L    
Quote
I’ve always felt there was something pretty fishy about this “Turing test”
Who wouldn't if one can not be sure that ones own writing wouldn't pass it.
Actually, the same is true for everything at UD due to the way ID proponents argue: arbitrarily pick up an issue one comes across in the internet or (less likely) in the literature and hope that it survives the environment of comments at UD and elsewhere. If the thread is gone later one never knows if the 404 page was created by UD posters or was due to computer problems.

--------------
"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
Bob O'H



Posts: 1969
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2008,00:46   

Quote
Who wouldn't if one can not be sure that ones own writing wouldn't pass it.

Ouch.  That's certainly my nomination for "Snark of the Week".

--------------
ID theorists don’t postulate a designer for their arguments. - Crandaddy
There is no connection between a peppered moth, natural selection, and religion that I can see. - FtK

   
J-Dog



Posts: 4362
Joined: Dec. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2008,08:23   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 15 2008,00:46)
Quote
Who wouldn't if one can not be sure that ones own writing wouldn't pass it.

Ouch.  That's certainly my nomination for "Snark of the Week".

Yes, it was quite well designed!

--------------
Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



Posts: 4484
Joined: May 2002

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2008,09:03   

Wow, Denyse gets all superficial about computer science!

Besides which, Turing's "imitation game" as originally described did not take the step of having the computer being distinguished from a human, but rather the more specific class of human female. The bar could be substantially lowered if one offered a modified Turing test that only had to distinguish between a computer and Denyse O'Leary.

Somehow, I get the feeling O'Leary has never interacted with Eliza, which is pretty darn simple so far as interactive response systems go.

Edited: iBCode, not HTML.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 15 2008,09:04

--------------
"You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

    
dheddle



Posts: 530
Joined: Sep. 2007

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2008,09:20   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 15 2008,09:03)
Wow, Denyse gets all superficial about computer science!

Besides which, Turing's "imitation game" as originally described did not take the step of having the computer being distinguished from a human, but rather the more specific class of human female. The bar could be substantially lowered if one offered a modified Turing test that only had to distinguish between a computer and Denyse O'Leary.

Somehow, I get the feeling O'Leary has never interacted with Eliza, which is pretty darn simple so far as interactive response systems go.

Edited: iBCode, not HTML.

Somewhat OT, but since you mentioned Eliza...

I once (five, six years ago) wrote a messaging system in JAVA. To test it I added a chat client. To test its throughput I added an open source Eliza JAVA implementation to the chat client--that is the client could be put into "Eliza mode." Then I started three clients, two in Eliza mode, and from the third I primed the pump with some innocuous comment like "I hate my best friend's plaid sports coat." The Elizas both offered a response to that statement, but then began to analyze each other's analysis. Let that run for an hour, and one is asking the other why she wanted to have sex with her uncle's Cadillac.

The system was able to handle two Eliza's, but three brought it to its knees.

--------------
Mysticism is a rational enterprise. Religion is not. The mystic has recognized something about the nature of consciousness prior to thought, and this recognition is susceptible to rational discussion. The mystic has reason for what he believes, and these reasons are empirical. --Sam Harris

   
dvunkannon



Posts: 1377
Joined: June 2008

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2008,09:56   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 15 2008,10:03)
Wow, Denyse gets all superficial about computer science!

Besides which, Turing's "imitation game" as originally described did not take the step of having the computer being distinguished from a human, but rather the more specific class of human female. The bar could be substantially lowered if one offered a modified Turing test that only had to distinguish between a computer and Denyse O'Leary.

Somehow, I get the feeling O'Leary has never interacted with Eliza, which is pretty darn simple so far as interactive response systems go.

Edited: iBCode, not HTML.

DO'L-face wouldn't understand how Eliza works. She thinks Turing test programs are like Alicebot, all canned response. She misunderstands the Chinese Room in the same way.

--------------
I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



Posts: 4484
Joined: May 2002

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2008,11:04   

Based on the reviews it got at the time, I'd love to see the Racter program code released into the public domain.

--------------
"You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

    
C.J.O'Brien



Posts: 395
Joined: Aug. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2008,12:03   

Quote
I have no doubt that a programmer with Oscar Wilde’s dialogue skills could program a computer as a clever conversation partner.


The level of ignorance here would be astounding, but c'mon, this is Granny Spice, on UD no less! Who of us, hardened in the tard mines, could be surprised at this crap anymore?

But, really. Does she imagine that chess-playing algorithms must be programmed by grandmaster level players, since the best of them now play at that level?

(Superfluous answer to rhetorical question: Yes. Yes, she probably does.)

Edited: I found a widdle typo

--------------
The is the beauty of being me- anything that any man does I can understand.
--Joe G

  
stevestory



Posts: 8896
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2008,12:31   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/courts....re-3681

Quote
15 October 2008
Former Asst.SecDef Gaffney in Washington Times “The Jihadist Vote”
DaveScot


Can we get someone over there to teach Davetard how to write a headline?

Though you may think this is purely politics, it's actually ID related. The Washington Times was started by Rev. Moon, who is of course Jonathan Wells's personal deity.

   
stevestory



Posts: 8896
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2008,12:33   

Ftk demonstrates more skepticism than Davetard does about those ridonkulous claims.

Not a great day for Davetard.

   
carlsonjok



Posts: 3324
Joined: May 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2008,12:40   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 15 2008,12:33)
Ftk demonstrates more skepticism than Davetard does about those ridonkulous claims.

Not a great day for Davetard.

Well ya gotta wonder when even the WorldNetDaily doesn't buy it.

--------------
It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

  
Bob O'H



Posts: 1969
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2008,12:59   

Oh dear.  My comment observing that the article didn't use Obama's middle name seems to have disappeared.  I'm sure I pressed "submit".

--------------
ID theorists don’t postulate a designer for their arguments. - Crandaddy
There is no connection between a peppered moth, natural selection, and religion that I can see. - FtK

   
stevestory



Posts: 8896
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2008,13:21   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Oct. 15 2008,13:40)
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 15 2008,12:33)
Ftk demonstrates more skepticism than Davetard does about those ridonkulous claims.

Not a great day for Davetard.

Well ya gotta wonder when even the WorldNetDaily doesn't buy it.

WorldNutDaily more reliable than Uncommon Descent.

Ouch.

One can't help but agree with the creationist who years ago complained "Davescot is ruining Dembsi's blog!"

   
Quack



Posts: 1755
Joined: May 2007

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2008,14:13   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 15 2008,12:59)
Oh dear.  My comment observing that the article didn't use Obama's middle name seems to have disappeared.  I'm sure I pressed "submit".

It has happened to me a couple of times too, but I cannot swear that I didn't click Preview instead of Submit.

--------------
YEC creationists denigrate science without an inkling of what their lives would be without it. YEC creationism is an enrageous, abominable insult to the the human intellect.
                                                         Me.

  
CeilingCat



Posts: 1663
Joined: Dec. 2007

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2008,00:25   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 15 2008,12:33)
Ftk demonstrates more skepticism than Davetard does about those ridonkulous claims.

Not a great day for Davetard.

Jesus Christ on a Bicycle!  DaveTard copies an article on Obama and Islam, FtK kinda wonders if it's true and then William Wallace drops in to say, "Oh hai!  Let's talk about Obama's US citizenship!"  What the hell are they smoking over there?

--------------
Like every other academic field, philosophy of religion has its share of hacks and mediocrities.  Edward Feser

  
carlsonjok



Posts: 3324
Joined: May 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2008,01:49   

Dave seems pretty excited about something
 
Quote


39
DaveScot
10/15/2008
6:47 pm

Obama Investigation Team Lands in Hawaii

It is a press release from Andy Martin, recent guest of Sean Hannity.  Andy seems to be an upstanding fellow. So long as you aren't Jewish that is.  Or the person in New York that he has been harassing as part of a child custody battle (one of his two outstanding arrest warrants).

I don't know about all that. He seems to be a friendly sort.  Certainly, he takes a darn nice mugshot.


--------------
It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



Posts: 4484
Joined: May 2002

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2008,02:57   

In the continuum of writing styles that span the range from comprehensible to O'Leary, Martin seems to be sliding towards the O'Leary end of things.

--------------
"You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

    
Reciprocating Bill



Posts: 4238
Joined: Oct. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2008,07:06   

Hey DaveTard!

You were right: It wasn't Darwin lurking behind Nazism. It was the Jews!

Here's the intellect behind your Obama Investigation Team in motion:



--------------
Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
  14997 replies since July 17 2008,19:00 < Next Oldest | Next Newest >  

Pages: (500) < ... 72 73 74 75 76 [77] 78 79 80 81 82 ... >   


Track this topic Email this topic Print this topic

[ Read the Board Rules ] | [Useful Links] | [Evolving Designs]