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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,13:00   

(crossposted to pres politics thread)

Two competing hypotheses:

1 Barack is running for president without being qualified. The birth announcement in the paper 40 some years ago is bogus, his birth certificate is forged, and these facts are being covered up by election officials, Democratic Party officials, Hawaii hospital employees and state government workers, the national media, and FactCheck.org. Furthermore, the GOP has shocking evidence of this, and is keeping quiet despite the fact that it looks like they face an epic loss in 3 weeks.

2 Barack's birth certificate and birth announcement are legit.

How stupid do you have to be to select hypothesis #1?

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,14:00   

from the pres poli thread

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Oct. 13 2008,13:43)
Quote (khan @ Oct. 13 2008,13:33)
In what units is stupid measured?

It is measured in Dembskis.

Actually I think the Dembski is a measure of error.

A Dembski might me a measure of how little effect one's had on the scientific enterprise. A butterfly's kamikaze ramming of the National Science Foundation's former building might be said to rate 1.0 Dembskis.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,14:04   

Didn't anyone want to do their fun little Test for your socio-political standings?

I was an Economic L/R -1.62
and Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -4.72

I was actually worried my results might mirror a majority of UD posters. Needless to say, by the 5th page I was relieved.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,14:19   

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18







Edited by stevestory on Oct. 13 2008,15:21

   
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,15:25   

Scooter, leading the race to the bottom, unloads this tard wad
 
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The legislature can稚 make exceptions to the constitution on a whim and the judiciary is duty bound by sworn oath to uphold the constitution. If Obama refuses to come clean long enough it ultimately goes to SCOTUS where 9 justices decide on the constitutionality. Consulting with a constitutional attorney I知 informed that SCOTUS will probably be 4 conservatives upholding the constitution, 4 liberals giving Obama a get out of jail free card, and Justice Kennedy (who swings both ways) being the tie breaker.

In one sentence the Supreme Court has a sworn oath to uphold, in the next they vote their political preference.

How reminiscent is this of Dave's prediction of Judge Jones, Bush appointed good ol boy?

When I am on my death bed, please ask DaveScot to predict my demise. Nothing will speed my recovery faster than a word from the anti-prophet.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,15:27   

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.64

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,16:00   

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.23

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,16:11   

Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.41

I still think that many of the questions were poorly phrased (take for example the one about a single party state avoiding many of the delays of a democratic one, this is undeniably true, but its desirability or its rational basis for productive government is a different story) and the lack of a middle option (no agreement) and an "other" option makes it too limited. Still, it's a very limited test, designedly so, and thus is merely an indicator. Perhaps even a useful one.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,17:08   

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.77


Wow I'm a bit like Ghandi :p But more libertarian.
I agree with Louis btw (and I'm curious on how your graph looks like), some questions are hard to answer because they're formulated so limited. I never found myself so left-ish (maybe it's just youghtfull idealism ;)) since I'm not that much for a heavely regulated economy. I don't pay a lot of attention to brands/labels. I'm just interested in solving problems, and whereither the solution is "left" or "right"; I don't care.

Edited for easy-to-spot-by-proofreading-mistakes.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,17:28   

OK, I did the question thingy

Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28

I should not be "libertarian." Libertarian means "all power to corrporate greed."

I prefer anarchist v. facist.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,17:54   

Quote (dvunkannon @ Oct. 13 2008,16:25)
Scooter, leading the race to the bottom, unloads this tard wad
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The legislature can稚 make exceptions to the constitution on a whim and the judiciary is duty bound by sworn oath to uphold the constitution. If Obama refuses to come clean long enough it ultimately goes to SCOTUS where 9 justices decide on the constitutionality. Consulting with a constitutional attorney I知 informed that SCOTUS will probably be 4 conservatives upholding the constitution, 4 liberals giving Obama a get out of jail free card, and Justice Kennedy (who swings both ways) being the tie breaker.


[bolding mine]
If Kennedy "swings both ways" then they're probably in trouble because you know that he's going to vote to help the gay agenda. :O

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,17:55   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Oct. 13 2008,17:28)
OK, I did the question thingy

Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28

I should not be "libertarian." Libertarian means "all power to corrporate greed."

I prefer anarchist v. facist.

Well according to that test, you've got libertarian left and right. The right seems to be the "all power to corporate greed" side, they call the left side "voluntary collectivism at regional level, with no state involved". Can't say I really disagree with that.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,18:03   

Quote (Nerull @ Oct. 13 2008,09:53)
We know that DaveScot can be incredibly stupid when he wants to be, but if I was one of the ID supporters at UD, I'd be starting to question weather DaveScot was a troll that was just trying to make them look bad.

Turning the leading ID website into Stormfront is certainly not going to help their chances of ever being accepted as "mainstream". Though I suppose it'll help them recruit KKK members and neo-nazis.

One small problem with that. All the neo-Nazis are Darwinists. It's true, I think they even made a movie about it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2008,21:04   

Probably not remarkable, but sometime between when DT blocked comments then reopened them on the 'October surprise' thread he deleted one of his own comments. It wasn't particularly obtuse, in fact possibly the most lucid comment on the thread, but for the record:
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DaveScot
10/12/2008
2:21 pm
Berg's Website Traffic Rank Skyrocketing

Anyone know what to make of that?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,00:30   

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Artificially evolved creatures walking
O'Leary

What think you of the 澱izarre strategies for walking used by artificially evolved organisms? (Posted by Cory Doctorow at Boing Boing, October 2, 2008)?

This is a project of Darwin@home, which tries to simulate evolution in unused computing space.

Oddly enough, the narrator says at one point, 的t seems complex beyond the reach of human ingenuity. It looks interesting, though not quite as interesting as that.


Linky

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,00:36   

Look at Denyse's version of Poe's Law:

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Poe痴 law: Students cannot form logical position about television痴 impact?
O'Leary
...
Note: Poe痴 law states that some people or situations just cannot be parodied because you couldn稚 make up stuff that is further along the continuum.


"some people or situations"? That's deliberately vague.

Wikipedia:
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Poe's Law Without a blatant indicator such as a smiley, it is impossible to tell the difference between religious Fundamentalism and a parody thereof.




Linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,00:43   

I tried to go over to UD for some pseudoscience bashing today, cause we've been talking way too much about politics, me included, but I couldn't find much over there. Most of the UD threads seem to be about politics. They took the political compass test also. Do you think the fact that 7 out of 13 UDers who reported their score were left of center will change Davetard's relentless anti-Obama theme? Maybe he'll realize he's turning his audience off?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,00:45   

Did anyone catch what mentok was referring to?
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mentok

10/13/2008

10:37 pm

Tard Alert!

Dave
That was created by Berg and given to the judge asking him to sign it, it痴 not signed.
I believe you池e correct, doggonit. I removed it. Thanks. -ds


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,00:57   

My copy of that thread only has the comments up to yesterday morning, the first 17. I'm not sure if what mentok is referring to is in them or in the 9 comments I don't have. Here are the 17, perhaps someone can compare them with the current set.

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DaveScot

10/12/2008

11:38 am

Berg is in the tank for Hillary in case you didn稚 know. This is half the DNC that still won稚 give up. Hillary of course can稚 be seen taking part in this.

Here痴 how this plays out: if the court allows discovery and we find out soon, presuming Berg痴 claims are correct, it hits the supreme court with lightning speed, Kennedy votes to uphold the constitution in a 5-4 decision, then Barack is out and Hillary is back in - even at this late date. Early votes and mail in ballots will have to be done over. Ballots will have to be reprinted. We値l probably not know on Nov. 4th who won unless Hillary wins by a landslide. A landslide for Hillary is a distinct possibility IMO and a marginal win even more likely.

Hillary has way too many loyal supporters, tens and tens of millions, that there won稚 be some large number of them pursuing this to a conclusion no matter how long it takes.

And look at the lawyer leading the charge - he was deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania, he was on the Democratic ticket for governor of PA, the US Senate, DNC party leader - for 3 decades he痴 been a Democrat. He has connections to get this done. What痴 Bill and Hillary been up to lately - haven稚 seen them in the news much. Think they haven稚 been watching this?

Break out those Hillary 08 buttons again, folks.

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DaveScot

10/12/2008

12:15 pm

I almost forgot where the good conspiracy theory really starts.

Say Hillary is back on the Nov. 4th ballot and wins the election. Joe Biden, who痴 been uncomfortable as VP, resigns after the election.

   Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Hillary nominates Bill Clinton for VP. A congress with large democratic majority of course approves the nomination. Then Hillary resigns as president. Bill Clinton, who automatically assumes the presidency, is back in office for almost 4 years. The constitution only restricts a president from being elected more than two terms.

That then leaves a vacancy for vice president for Bill Clinton to nominate. None other than Al Gore.

Now THAT担 a proper conspiracy theory. :lol:

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PannenbergOmega

10/12/2008

12:26 pm

Are you kidding, or do you really think there is a conspiracy here?

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DaveScot

10/12/2008

12:34 pm

Pannenberg

Why not? Hillary could actually pick Al Gore for her VP before the election. Then Hillary resigns and Al Gore ends up getting the last laugh as the supreme court selects him for president just like they deselected him in 2004 2000. What could be more fair? More American? More dramatic? More entertaining?

Al Gore 09 for President!

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tragicmishap

10/12/2008

2:22 pm

If I had to have a Democrat in office, I would pick Hillary %100. And Dave, your scenario where Hillary resigns and gives the presidency to Bill is ludicrous. Don稚 you know who wears the suit pants in that relationship?

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DLH

10/12/2008

2:26 pm

The nominal answer is that Obama was born in Hawaii and thus is a citizen.
覧覧覧覧覧覧覧-
Followup Oct. 13, 2008, Attorney Philip J. Berg痴 official website: ObamaCrimes.com

Court documents at:
http://dockets.justia.com/dock.....id-281573/

Obama Is An Illegal Alien Philip J. Berg, Oct. 6, 2008

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tragicmishap

10/12/2008

2:29 pm

Why is the Certificate No. blotted out? And why wouldn稚 Obama just show this to the judge and be done with it?

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DaveScot

10/12/2008

2:35 pm

DLH

Websites decide federal court cases now?

Did you know that, at best, that birth certificate was printed in 2007 from information contained in an electronic database in Hawaii?

You池e quite computer literate. Tell me how hard it would be for someone to make or change an entry in that database that doesn稚 reflect the vault original, even if a vault original exists?

Hawaii, by the way, is a blue state showing Obama leading in the straw poll by better than 70/30 (a 42 point lead) far, far greater than any other state in the union.

Why won稚 Obama let anyone see the vault copy? What痴 being hidden? Does the public have an ethical right to see it even if they have no legal right in Hawaii? Hawaii痴 birth records, unlike almost every other state in my understanding, are not public information. Someone will probably sue Hawaii next under the federal open records act.

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tragicmishap

10/12/2008

2:46 pm

Obviously the Indonesia thing is not valid. What could be a real problem is if it turns out that Obama really was born in Kenya.

Dave, if Hawaii has different rules about birth certificates, couldn稚 that be the reason he is having trouble producing it? Or maybe he thinks he has a right under Hawaiian law not to produce his birth certificate?

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DaveScot

10/12/2008

2:54 pm

Send a Freedom Of Information Act Letter to Hawaii:

Mark Bennett, Attorney General
Department of the Attorney General
State of Hawaii
425 Queen Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813

Dear Mr. Bennett:

Barack Obama, as U.S. Senator of Illinois and the Democratic Nominee for President of the United States, is a public person, and his citizenship status is a matter of significant public concern and is subject to legitimate public scrutiny. The public interest in access to the requested information under the Freedom of Information Act 5 U.S.C. ァ 552 should be noted and honored.

This is a freedom of information act request for the original 砺ault birth certificate of Barack Obama, born August 4, 1961. Because Mr. Obama is a public figure and because of the importance of this information to the public welfare the ordinary rules of confidentiality do not apply.

Sincerely,

11

DaveScot

10/12/2008

7:57 pm

Rumor mill (unverified)

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.c.....formation/

Kenyan birth certificate located.

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Janice

10/13/2008

3:56 am

Anne Baxter, the movie star, lived in Australia from 1961 to about 1964. She had at least one child while she lived here but the baby was not born in Australia. I remember it very well because her departure from our shores made the news. (Some people appear to have felt a bit slighted.) But Anne Baxter went back to the US to make sure that her child would be born in the US and therefore would be entitled to US citizenship. I just thought that was interesting, particularly given that Baxter was well over 21 at the time (b. 1923).

I deeply distrust Obama and would feel as though we壇 all dodged a bullet if he were to be found ineligible for the office of POTUS. But I don稚 understand this. He travels a lot. Doesn稚 he have to have a passport for that? Wouldn稚 he have to produce his US birth certificate, complete with seal and signature, to obtain a US passport?

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William J. Murray

10/13/2008

7:54 am

Quote: 徹bviously the Indonesia thing is not valid.

Why is this not valid? If his father got Obama legal citizenship in Indonesia - which he had to do to get him into any school - then Obama cannot be anything other than a naturalized citizen, even if he was originally born in the USA. That痴 the law.

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William J. Murray

10/13/2008

7:55 am

As far as this being a win for Hillary if true, I hardly think so. I think it would be the end of the Democratic party as we know it, because they and Hillary would be seen as part and parcel of the conspiracy to keep this information from the public. It would devastate the party beyond repair, IMO.

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tragicmishap

10/13/2008

9:41 am

If he was born in the US, I壇 think it would be much easier for him to make a legal case that he痴 at least eligible for POTUS. Remember he痴 probably been preparing a legal defense for over a decade. He had to know this was coming. Also most Americans would think that if he was born here, than his citizenship is being attacked on a legal technicality and would probably support him. He could at least claim to have been honest about himself.

On the other hand, if he really was born in Kenya, that痴 a silver bullet. Not only did he lie, but he痴 not a 渡atural born citizen as the Constitution requires. That is a very simple issue, and simplicity is all important to the public. Can稚 get a better sound byte than this: Obama lied about his place of birth to cover up the fact that he痴 ineligible to be POTUS. Game over.

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DaveScot

10/13/2008

10:26 am

Janice

He doesn稚 have to produce an original 1961 birth certificate to get a passport. The certification of birth, which isn稚 a birth certificate, that Hawaii prints out on request from information contained in an electronic database, is sufficient for most legal purposes. However, interestingly enough, it isn稚 sufficient in Hawaii to prove you have at least 50% native-Hawaiian bloodline to qualify for assistance programs offered only to native-Hawaiians. To do that requires that you pay a fee to the Dept. of Health (DOH) to get a photocopy of your original (called a 砺ault certificate) birth certificate filled out by a hospital at time of birth. It痴 the vault certificate that, among other documentation like passports and school records, that the Berg suit seeks to obtain in the discovery process. Only Obama volunteering or a compelling court order can get a copy of the original BC out of the vault in Hawaii.

William

Common thinking is with you in regards to this being a disaster for the Democratic party if Obama has to be pulled off the ballot in the 12th hour and Hillary replacing him. I知 not so sure about that. Women voters who might致e voted McCain/Palin will flock back to Hillary in droves. Offsetting that is some number of disaffected black voters who won稚 turn out to vote. The black vote is as critical for democrats (in recent elections the black vote is 90%+ for democrats) as the religious right vote is critical for republicans. The DNC will of course get beaten to a pulp for failing to properly vet the candidates (this BC problem was brought to their attention long before the primary ended) and the mainstream media will get a beat down for pointedly ignoring the issue (MSM has also been aware of the issue for a long time).

tragic

Public support, or lack thereof, for letting Obama avoid the constitutional requirements of POTUS or citizenship is not an issue. The legislature can稚 make exceptions to the constitution on a whim and the judiciary is duty bound by sworn oath to uphold the constitution. If Obama refuses to come clean long enough it ultimately goes to SCOTUS where 9 justices decide on the constitutionality. Consulting with a constitutional attorney I知 informed that SCOTUS will probably be 4 conservatives upholding the constitution, 4 liberals giving Obama a get out of jail free card, and Justice Kennedy (who swings both ways) being the tie breaker. If the evidence is very clear that Obama is not legally a natural-born citizen Kennedy is more likely to uphold the constitution. If it痴 hazy he might go the other way. Obama needs to do the right thing and start cooperating with record requests instead of trying to lawyer his way around it and possibly causing great harm to our nation by dragging his feet past the point of no return.

In any case, if McCain is polling behind Obama in the final week before Nov. 4th, they池e likely going to blast Obama痴 refusal to provide the public with school records, birth certificates, and passport and foreign travel history among other things across every television screen in every battleground state. Rumor has it the RNC has documented proof that Obama isn稚 qualified but they池e keeping it to themselves as long as possible and hopefully forever but not if that means losing the election. It痴 their ace-in-the-hole to be turned over only if absolutely necessary. If that痴 enough to lose Obama the election a constitutional crisis will be averted but Obama still might lose his senate seat if he isn稚 at least a legally naturalized citizen. Berg intends on pursuing Obama beyond the POTUS election no matter how the election falls out. If Obama wins then we have a huge constitutional crisis on our hands that, coupled with Russian military aggression and a financial crisis, will cripple the United States ability to deal with these matters. Now more than just about anytime in history we need a clean election and a smooth transition of executive power. Obama is clearly willing to risk disasterous consequences for the nation in his quest for the power of the bully pulpit.

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angryoldfatman

10/13/2008

11:11 am

William J. Murray wrote:

   
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As far as this being a win for Hillary if true, I hardly think so. I think it would be the end of the Democratic party as we know it, because they and Hillary would be seen as part and parcel of the conspiracy to keep this information from the public.


Perhaps. I wouldn稚 underestimate The Pantsuited Empress though. I would致e thought the biggest barrier to her walking into the Oval Office was Obama痴 name being on the ballot, but like we致e seen in examples like the Torricelli/Lautenberg case, electoral procedure can be mere formality to those who want power badly enough.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,01:03   

My copy of the 1st 17 comments up is identical to the current one, so what mentok was talking about we're not sure. Perhaps someone saved a more recent copy of the thread.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,01:14   

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11 October 2008
Bill Maher痴 迭eligulous documentary a flop?
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Bill Maher痴 迭eligulous documentary mocking religion in the United States opening weekend box office revenues were 10% higher than 摘xpelled: No Intelligence Allowed. Our atheist Darwinian friends proclaimed that Expelled was a flop. By that standard so is Religulous.


Notice Davetard doesn't mention the per-screen take?

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....omments

one of the comments does though.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,01:18   

12 Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed RM $7,690,545 1,052 $2,970,848 1,052 4/18/08
13 Religulous LGF $6,732,631 568 $3,409,643 502 10/1/08

At the rate it's going, Religulous, which has been out for about 2 weeks, will pass Expelled in total Box Office sometime this weekend, despite being on half as many screens.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=documentary.htm

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,01:24   

Around the 2-week point Expelled lost half their screens due to poor performance. With Religulous bringing in more than twice the revenue per screen, I'm guessing it'll lose a lot fewer screens this weekend than did Expelled.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,01:27   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 14 2008,01:03)
My copy of the 1st 17 comments up is identical to the current one, so what mentok was talking about we're not sure. Perhaps someone saved a more recent copy of the thread.

Saw it, but didn't save it. From memory:
It was as mentok implied. It was a C&P of the text from a pdf doc (linked) ostensibly from the Pennsylvania judge (Hon R B Surrick, I believe) requiring Obama to front up with various documents (e.g. original birth certificate) and answer various questions (were you born in Kenya?) by Oct 15. However it appeared to be what Berg was suggesting the judge present to the defendant (copying and pasting by judges is OK in some cases and not in others it seems).
I have to admit it gave me a wtf moment, quickly dispelled by the fact this received zero coverage anywhere else, and, as mentok mentioned, it was not signed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,01:29   

If Religulous makes as much of it's lifetime gross after the two week point as expelled did, it'll wind up with about $8.7 million, putting it in position #9. But I expect it to do better than that.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,01:48   

an infinitesimal part of me was concerned that there might be something to these nutty claims about Obama, so I looked up this Philip J Berg guy Davetard thinks so highly of. No wikipedia page. But looky what I found:

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Lawyer Slapped With $10K in Sanctions for 'Laundry List of Unethical Actions'

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Finding that a Pennsylvania lawyer had committed a "laundry list of unethical actions," a federal judge has imposed more than $10,000 in sanctions and ordered the lawyer to complete six hours of ethics training.

U.S. District Judge J. Curtis Joyner's 10-page opinion in Holsworth v. Berg is packed with criticism of the conduct of attorney Philip Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa.

"Other attorneys should look to Mr. Berg's actions as a blueprint for what not to do when attempting to effectively and honorably perform the duties of the legal profession," Joyner wrote.

"This court has grown weary of Mr. Berg's continuous and brazen disrespect toward this court and his own clients. Mr. Berg's actions ... are an enormous waste of judicial time and resources that this court cannot, in good conscience, allow to go unpunished," Joyner wrote.


that's legal talk for "This guy SUUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKKKSSSSSSS"

story at Law.com

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,01:55   

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Joyner blasted Berg for filing the fraud claim, calling it an "irresponsible decision" because the claim was "utterly barren of any scintilla of legal principles."


MMMMMMMppppttttttthhh. Oh yeah I can tell already this guy's lawsuit is surely going to take Obama down. Does Davetard have to back the losing side in everything? Is this some kind of compulsion he has?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,02:49   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 14 2008,07:29)
If Religulous makes as much of it's lifetime gross after the two week point as expelled did, it'll wind up with about $8.7 million, putting it in position #9. But I expect it to do better than that.

I know it's fun to poke the UDers and IDCists with this*, but seriously, who cares? From the clips of "Religulous" it's hardly what I'd call a good representation of the arguments (not that it's necessarily meant to be) and it's quite funny in places, it's a movie, big deal!

Are we really so shallow that the same idiotic superficialities that appeal to the mental midgets of the creationist blogosphere apply to us? I don't think so, please don't prove me wrong! ;-)

Louis

* But seriously, I get it. I know the creobots were crowing about "Expelled" being some major box office smash and that demonstrating the falsehood of this claim with data from "Religulous" is just one of the many ways to demolish this claim and expose their double standards. My question is: where does the line between mocking the erroneous triumphalism of the assorted creationist twattery become erroneous triumphalism of out own. Quis custodet ipsos custodes? Which is something to do with custard apparently.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,03:08   

Oh, I'm just mocking Davetard here, not defending Religulous. I have serious disagreements with Maher, probably most of the people here do. In no way are we trying to 'own' Religulous in the way that UD 'owns' Expelled. None of my posts IIRC defend anything about the substance of Religulous. Davetard merely tried to claim that Religulous was no more a flop than Expelled, and my comments were mostly numbers showing that's not true. I wasn't claiming that Religulous is right, just that Davetard, as usual, was wrong.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,04:21   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 14 2008,09:08)
Oh, I'm just mocking Davetard here, not defending Religulous. I have serious disagreements with Maher, probably most of the people here do. In no way are we trying to 'own' Religulous in the way that UD 'owns' Expelled. None of my posts IIRC defend anything about the substance of Religulous. Davetard merely tried to claim that Religulous was no more a flop than Expelled, and my comments were mostly numbers showing that's not true. I wasn't claiming that Religulous is right, just that Davetard, as usual, was wrong.

I figured that was the case. I just felt the need to make the obligatory caveat.

But of course in reality we're all the evil scheming lefty elitists atheists on a daily basis that tossers like Le Tard think we are.

Louis

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