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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2008,20:29   

Quote (Jkrebs @ Sep. 24 2008,20:23)
Rowan speaks up.  Will he last?

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Get a grip. I’ve got lots of Obama supporting, Christian, moral friends, who care as much about life as you do. That’s like saying all Republicans are pro-death because they don’t support gun control laws.

At the end of the day, we all want to see ID get a fair hearing. We want to see the scientific mainstream wrestling with the scientific challenges of ID. So what’s going to make that happen? Is it going to be the endorsement of politicians like Bush and Palin who they have already dismissed as uninformed, religious fundamentalists. I really doubt it.

I think instead of demonizing one side of the polital spectrum, we need to be engaging with those who feel threatened by the ID camp’s apparent religious and political affiliations. Engaging only with the right, is pretty much preaching to the converted.

That guy is toast.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2008,21:17   

Hi Scooter (Dave Scot Springer) . How do you like the new presidential race polls, what with the economic problems and all?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....pf.html

-- Obama now leads McCain by 52 percent to 43 percent

-- Fully 50 percent called the economy and jobs the single most important issue that will determine their vote, up from 37 percent two weeks ago.

-- Much of the movement has come among college-educated whites. Whites without college degrees favor McCain by 17 points, while those with college degrees support Obama by 9 points.

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Sure, you get to pretend that you're some tinhorn Rush Limbaugh -- but you and Rush only have a few things in common:  an inordinate fondness for processed cheese foods, an painful over-estimation of your own mental abilities and a penchant for lying.

The economic chickens are coming home to roost and they're shitting all over your face, Scooter. Enjoy the flavor for the moment and pray for change, "agnostic" that believes in God.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,05:15   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 24 2008,23:28)
[SNIP]
Nevertheless, I am here all week.

More's the fucking pity.

Louis

P.S. I kill me sometimes.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,09:08   

Quote (Louis @ Sep. 25 2008,03:15)
I kill me sometimes.

Clearly you're not doing it right. Can I help?

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Skullboy



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,11:04   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 24 2008,20:29)
   
Quote (Jkrebs @ Sep. 24 2008,20:23)
Rowan speaks up.  Will he last?

     
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Get a grip. I’ve got lots of Obama supporting, Christian, moral friends, who care as much about life as you do ...(SNIP)... Engaging only with the right, is pretty much preaching to the converted.

That guy is toast.

So did Rowan bite the dust? I can't find this over there.

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,11:28   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 25 2008,15:08)
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 25 2008,03:15)
I kill me sometimes.

Clearly you're not doing it right. Can I help?

I set them up, baby, you knock them down.

We're here all week!

I heard a piece about David "Gitwizard" Blaine's recent stunt involving hanging upside down over an ice rink (or some such drivel) where he was seen taking breaks for such trivia as food, water, standing upright and medical checks. Ha ha! The comment was "He keeps doing all these death defying stunts and surviving. I wish he'd stop".

I have never been so proud to be British as when Blaine pulled some shit over here in a glass box hanging above the Thames and some genius bought a remote controlled helicopter and used it to fly burgers around him. It was a work of the highest human wonderfulness.

Marcus Brigstocke (British comedian, youtube the fucker) did a brilliant bit on him. I maintain to this day the fucker stole it from me. There are only two problems with that hypothesis: 1) I've never met him, 2) he's a lot funnier than I am.

Louis

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,13:01   

BlarneyA displays his Christian charity:
 
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Television wasn’t yet invented in 1929, moron...

Wikipedia:
 
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In 1928, Philo Farnsworth made the world's first working television system with electronic scanning of both the pickup and display devices, which he first demonstrated to news media on 1928-09-01, televising a motion picture film.


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C.J.O'Brien



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,13:27   

A tard called Domoman:

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Man, I believe I could, and probably anybody on here, especially those blog on here, could totally defeat Obama in an argumenta about evolution. He probably believes in it based off of what he learned in colleges… which is close to nothing in reality. If you show one side of a story that supports and idea, of course it’s going to support that idea. Evolutionists like to ignore all the experimental data and just say, “Mutations can do this and that and Natural Selection will do this, and then ta-da! Evolution!” Go go education text-books!


Totally.

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,13:34   

Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ Sep. 25 2008,11:27)
A tard called Domoman:

 
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Man, I believe I could, and probably anybody on here, especially those blog on here, could totally defeat Obama in an argumenta about evolution. He probably believes in it based off of what he learned in colleges… which is close to nothing in reality. If you show one side of a story that supports and idea, of course it’s going to support that idea. Evolutionists like to ignore all the experimental data and just say, “Mutations can do this and that and Natural Selection will do this, and then ta-da! Evolution!” Go go education text-books!


Totally.

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He probably believes in it based off of what he learned in colleges…

Well, there's your problem right there.  You're supposed to learn about biology in church.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,13:38   

Quote (Skullboy @ Sep. 25 2008,12:04)
So did Rowan bite the dust? I can't find this over there.

I don't know. JKrebs didn't mention what comment thread that was in.

   
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,14:03   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 25 2008,13:01)
BlarneyA displays his Christian charity:
   
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Television wasn’t yet invented in 1929, moron...

Wikipedia:
   
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In 1928, Philo Farnsworth made the world's first working television system with electronic scanning of both the pickup and display devices, which he first demonstrated to news media on 1928-09-01, televising a motion picture film.

Are you referring to this Biden quote:

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"Part of what being a leader does is to instill confidence is to demonstrate what he or she knows what they are talking about and to communicating to people ... this is how we can fix this," Biden said. "When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed. He said, 'look, here's what happened.'"


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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,14:07   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 25 2008,11:38)
Quote (Skullboy @ Sep. 25 2008,12:04)
So did Rowan bite the dust? I can't find this over there.

I don't know. JKrebs didn't mention what comment thread that was in.

Found it here.  A lot of commenters on that thread, who clearly don't get out much, are not happy with Dave equating ID with right-wing politics.

Then there's PannenbergOmega:
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Senators Obama and Biden are probably not friends of ID. In fact, I think I even remember Biden defending “Science” during the Democratic primary television debates.

Defending science?  The scoundrel!

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,14:47   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 25 2008,15:03)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 25 2008,13:01)
BlarneyA displays his Christian charity:
   
Quote
Television wasn’t yet invented in 1929, moron...

Wikipedia:
   
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In 1928, Philo Farnsworth made the world's first working television system with electronic scanning of both the pickup and display devices, which he first demonstrated to news media on 1928-09-01, televising a motion picture film.

Are you referring to this Biden quote:

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"Part of what being a leader does is to instill confidence is to demonstrate what he or she knows what they are talking about and to communicating to people ... this is how we can fix this," Biden said. "When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed. He said, 'look, here's what happened.'"

I think it was pretty clear from the link that Bill was referring to BarryA.

   
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,15:01   

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I think it was pretty clear from the link that Bill was referring to BarryA.


Doesn't change the fact that the BarryA quote was mined and  truncated to emphasize an inconsequential error. In the context of the BarryA comment, "invented" means available for use by Roosevelt to address the public. And, of course, Roosevelt wasn't president when the market crashed.

Why is this kind of quote mining illicit when creationists use it, but defended here? I guess one man's potatoe is another man's potahtoe.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,15:11   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 25 2008,16:01)
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I think it was pretty clear from the link that Bill was referring to BarryA.


Doesn't change the fact that the BarryA quote was mined and  truncated to emphasize an inconsequential error. In the context of the BarryA comment, "invented" means available for use by Roosevelt to address the public. And, of course, Roosevelt wasn't president when the market crashed.

Why is this kind of quote mining illicit when creationists use it, but defended here? I guess one man's potatoe is another man's potahtoe.

Not an unreasonable point. Of course, BarryA was doing same vis Biden.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,15:19   

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Not an unreasonable point. Of course, BarryA was doing same vis Biden.


True, but I have a reflexive horror of quote mining by anyone. I'm pretty much anti-partisan.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,15:49   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 25 2008,13:19)
   
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Not an unreasonable point. Of course, BarryA was doing same vis Biden.


True, but I have a reflexive horror of quote mining by anyone. I'm pretty much anti-partisan.

Midwifetoad, I can't believe you're saying this:

   
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... I have a reflexive horror of ... anyone.

I'm pretty ... partisan.


We *expected* better from you.   :angry:

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,15:53   

What can you expect from a guy who has eggs on his back and inky feet?

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,18:14   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 25 2008,14:01)
BlarneyA displays his Christian charity:
     
Quote
Television wasn’t yet invented in 1929, moron...

Wikipedia:
     
Quote
In 1928, Philo Farnsworth made the world's first working television system with electronic scanning of both the pickup and display devices, which he first demonstrated to news media on 1928-09-01, televising a motion picture film.

'Twas not all for naught:
 
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Update (added by DaveScot):

...Broadcast television didn’t exist in 1929, dummy...


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,18:36   

I wonder if Biden knows the date when the Founding Fathers put "under god" in the pledge.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,18:49   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 25 2008,15:49)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 25 2008,13:19)
     
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Not an unreasonable point. Of course, BarryA was doing same vis Biden.


True, but I have a reflexive horror of quote mining by anyone. I'm pretty much anti-partisan.

Midwifetoad, I can't believe you're saying this:

     
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... I have a reflexive horror of ... anyone.

I'm pretty ... partisan.


We ... better ... you.   :angry:

Look who's talking Mr. I'm better than everybody!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,19:02   

Quote (afarensis @ Sep. 25 2008,16:49)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 25 2008,15:49)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 25 2008,13:19)
     
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Not an unreasonable point. Of course, BarryA was doing same vis Biden.


True, but I have a reflexive horror of quote mining by anyone. I'm pretty much anti-partisan.

Midwifetoad, I can't believe you're saying this:

     
Quote
... I have a reflexive horror of ... anyone.

I'm pretty ... partisan.


We ... better ... you.   :angry:

Look ... I'm better than everybody!

Hmph. You seem like the most arrogant one here of all.  :angry:

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,19:11   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 25 2008,19:02)
Quote (afarensis @ Sep. 25 2008,16:49)
 
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 25 2008,15:49)
 
Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 25 2008,13:19)
       
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Not an unreasonable point. Of course, BarryA was doing same vis Biden.


True, but I have a reflexive horror of quote mining by anyone. I'm pretty much anti-partisan.

Midwifetoad, I can't believe you're saying this:

       
Quote
... I have a reflexive horror of ... anyone.

I'm pretty ... partisan.


We ... better ... you.   :angry:

Look ... I'm better than everybody!

Hmph. You ... like ... all.  :angry:

Why, yes I do.

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FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me.

PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2008,21:14   

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I wonder if Biden knows the date when the Founding Fathers put "under god" in the pledge.


oh... oh... I know.

It was in 1956.

McCarthy was a founding father wasn't he?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2008,02:09   

Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ Sep. 25 2008,13:27)
A tard called Domoman:

     
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Man, I believe I could, and probably anybody on here, especially those blog on here, could totally defeat Obama in an argumenta about evolution. He probably believes in it based off of what he learned in colleges… which is close to nothing in reality. If you show one side of a story that supports and idea, of course it’s going to support that idea. Evolutionists like to ignore all the experimental data and just say, “Mutations can do this and that and Natural Selection will do this, and then ta-da! Evolution!” Go go education text-books!


Totally.

With sock-puppetry, Poe's law etc, I've been hesitant to call tard on newcomers over there but I think Domoman is the genuine thing. Witness this in response to DT's latest GW rant:    
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lol I don’t know enough
which was apparently sent prematurely, and compare with the follow up full comment:    
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*EDIT*

My iPod spazzed out and had me post before I was finished. :P Talk about fun.

What I meant to say WAS: I don’t know enough about Global Warming to debate with people about it, but I honestly think it’s a joke. Besides, even if it were to be real, I don’t know that I could do anything… well, I’m sure I could help out the masses who think they can. But who’s to say they can effectively do anything anyway? I figure I’m probably gonna die one way or another, global warming or not.

I’ve heard of a similar statistic from my former co-worker who said his class did a study and found out that what’s going on now on Earth has been happening for millions of years. Life is still on earth too… I’m not sure Global Warming is so deadly even if we grant that it is happening.

Ask yourself: how did the full comment add anything at all to the four words of the first?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2008,04:42   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Sep. 26 2008,00:09)
Ask yourself: how did the full comment add anything at all to the four words of the first?


Well, it added some Shannon information, anyway.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2008,06:56   

Quote (didymos @ Sep. 26 2008,04:42)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Sep. 26 2008,00:09)
Ask yourself: how did the full comment add anything at all to the four words of the first?


Well, it added some Shannon information, anyway.

Your uncertainty was reduced?

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2008,08:30   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 26 2008,04:56)
 
Quote (didymos @ Sep. 26 2008,04:42)
 
Quote (Ptaylor @ Sep. 26 2008,00:09)
Ask yourself: how did the full comment add anything at all to the four words of the first?


Well, it added some Shannon information, anyway.

Your uncertainty was reduced?


Yes.  I'm now much better informed as to the exact depths of his TARDiosity.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2008,09:24   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 25 2008,18:14)
'Twas not all for naught:
     
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Update (added by DaveScot):

...Broadcast television didn’t exist in 1929, dummy...

Perhaps you omitted it (you quote-miner, you) or perhaps DaveTard made another rearrangement, but the snippet now reads:
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Broadcast television didn’t exist in 1929, dummy, and Hoover was president. Fail.

So, let me gets this straight:
1) Biden extemporizes, fails to get his facts right, and is therefore a moron dummy.
2) BarmyA extemporizes, fails to get his facts right (and fails to note all of Biden's errors), and is therefore...

...a tard.

Okay, sure. I got it. Thanks for listening!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,11:50   

Quiet round here, isn't it?

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