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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2008,10:27   

DaveScot posts on global warming again and his comments are displayed with the white background usually reserved to UD authorities.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2008,10:38   

Lil Billy D whines about Wikipedia:

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2008,11:25   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 30 2008,10:38)
Lil Billy D whines about Wikipedia:

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

If Dr. Dr. Billy doesn't behave himself, he's gonna wind up as a Big Star on another Wiki source...

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2008,11:29   

Quote (J-Dog @ Dec. 30 2008,11:25)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 30 2008,10:38)
Lil Billy D whines about Wikipedia:

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

If Dr. Dr. Billy doesn't behave himself, he's gonna wind up as a Big Star on another Wiki source...

Future Home Of Dembski's Bio

Nah. Too much good company. Enough for a bridge foursome, anyway.

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2008,11:30   

Quote (sparc @ Dec. 30 2008,10:27)
DaveScot posts on global warming again and his comments are displayed with the white background usually reserved to UD authorities.

The white background might be because it's his post.  I saw a comment somewhere saying that he had posting privileges, but not access to the bannination button.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2008,12:32   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 30 2008,10:38)
Lil Billy D whines about Wikipedia:

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

Dembski sez, "Colleagues who try to correct misrepresentations find their edits scrupulously removed."

Lesse, "scrupulously," hmmm, what could that mean. What's ol' Merriam Webster's say? <page page page> Ah, here it is!

"scrupulous <snip etymology> 1: having moral integrity : acting in strict regard for what is considered right and proper  2: punctiliously exact : PAINSTAKING ... syn see UPRIGHT, CAREFUL"

Le mot juste, Dr Dr!!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2008,12:44   

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2008,14:11   

It was bound to happen - someone leaked a DaveTard sex video!  :O  :O  :O

Watch at your own risk!

ETA:  PG rated.  Kinda.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2008,14:18   

Doesn't that belong in the bathroon sink?

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2008,15:03   

Denyse:  
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I avoid Wikipedia at all costs, always preferring other sources.

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Please, NOT in publishing, online or otherwise.

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Just don’t ever quote Wikipedia as a source to me, and expect me to take it as some kind of authority.

Really, Denyse?  Your book By Design or by Chance contains at least 5 references to Wikipedia.  Did you mean to say that you had been unable to find any other sources to tell you about the Big Bang, Georges Lemaitre and convergent evolution?  

For the record, I think Wikipedia is an excellent starting point for learning about a subject, but it is not an authoritative source.  I would not cite in a publication.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2008,17:13   

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gpuccio: Please, reflect that improvement in survival implies an extremely high threshold for any function: the function must be present, relevant, and must be, alone, capable of significantly increase the survival of the whole replicator. And the measurement is also extremely slow.

I've posted this before, but then again, gpuccio has posted the same misunderstanding before.

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Niels Bohr and Albert Einsten were taking a walk in the woods, vigorously debating the philosophical underpinnings of quantum theory, when a gigantic bear suddenly burst out of the underbrush and raced toward them. Bohr immediately whipped out his fine running shoes and began lacing them up.

Einstein, furrowing his brow at Bohr, said: "Niels, there's no way you can outrun that bear."

"That's true, dear Albert," Bohr calmly replied, "but I don't need to outrun the bear. I only need to outrun you."

Predator-prey relationships are like that. The measurement is very fast and can distinguish very fine differences in ability.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2008,17:16   

Quote (olegt @ Dec. 30 2008,16:03)
Denyse:          
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I avoid Wikipedia at all costs, always preferring other sources.

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Please, NOT in publishing, online or otherwise.

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Just don’t ever quote Wikipedia as a source to me, and expect me to take it as some kind of authority.

Really, Denyse?  Your book By Design or by Chance contains at least 5 references to Wikipedia.  Did you mean to say that you had been unable to find any other sources to tell you about the Big Bang, Georges Lemaitre and convergent evolution?  

For the record, I think Wikipedia is an excellent starting point for learning about a subject, but it is not an authoritative source.  I would not cite in a publication.

She is on a roll today, even for her.  Back-to-back own goals.
Densye's latest
First a DO'L patented "buy my books" plug:  
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If you got money for Christmas, 10 Books That Screwed Up the World: and 5 Others That Didn’t Help would be a good use of your dime.
Okay, not really - that's the title of the book she is touting, not a description of her literary output.  She brings up the false positive design inference of the "canals" on Mars.  She quotes the book:  
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The lesson is simple enough. Schiaparelli, Lowell, Wells, and a host of other scientists and popularizers wanted to see life on Mars. The alien enthusiasts just wanted to see what was fuzzy as straight and geometrical because they wanted Mars to be populated with aliens. It is often our desire to have something be true that makes us clearly and distinctly see the false as true, the imagined as real. This is as true in the history of science as it is in our everyday life. In either case, reality is the appropriate test of our everyday beliefs and scientific theories. (pp. 25-26)

No parallels to ID there, no sir.

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2008,18:29   

Denyse is on a roll today!  Those Martians aren't the designers we're looking for!
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But, for the record, proposed intelligent beings on other planets have not usually been treated as an argument for design in nature - usually the opposite. The idea seems to be “That just shows how easily intelligent life can arise purely by chance.”

Well, I suppose then Mt. Rushmore is not a good example of design, either?  ROFL.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2008,21:05   

Quote (Zachriel @ Dec. 30 2008,15:13)
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Niels Bohr and Albert Einsten were taking a walk in the woods, vigorously debating the philosophical underpinnings of quantum theory, when a gigantic bear suddenly burst out of the underbrush and raced toward them. Bohr immediately whipped out his fine running shoes and began lacing them up.

Einstein, furrowing his brow at Bohr, said: "Niels, there's no way you can outrun that bear."

"That's true, dear Albert," Bohr calmly replied, "but I don't need to outrun the bear. I only need to outrun you."

I flipped Bohr and Einstein in the story because I think htat it is a better example of relative speed than quantum.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2008,22:32   

Apparently, someone disagrees with lil Billy D's assessment of the Wikipedia article and its impact on donations.

Edited by Lou FCD on Dec. 30 2008,23:32

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,00:02   

It's always worthwhile to go back to older UD threads where the tard had the chance to mature to ripeness:    
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Atom
12/28/2008
5:50 pm

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2008 was a good year for ID, since ID research was being done.
Politics and opinions do not change truth;
as long as the ID project is moving forward, then ID is having a good year.
The only bad year for ID is when ID research is not being done.


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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,00:08   

Someone named "Earvin Johnson" noticed the same word choice that I did. He/she asked, at UD, 'If edits are “scrupulously” removed, what’s the problem?'

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,01:38   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 31 2008,03:38)
Lil Billy D whines about Wikipedia:

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

He should actually give examples of factual errors. I can't see him being able to write any rebuttal, his type are just used to disappearing criticism. Anything he wrote would make him look more like an idjit.

"Whine, Whine, they are so mean to me. I am the Isaac Newton of everything"

ETA: It is interesting that going through the history, that there is very little vandalism. In fact most of the edits are to do with people putting in things that couldn't be cited.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,06:42   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 30 2008,10:38)
Lil Billy D whines about Wikipedia:

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

Through the Wikipedia page on Dembski I found this:

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=28460

I guess we can add "gullible sucker" to the list of Dembski's other shortcomings.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,07:23   

Quote (clamboy @ Dec. 31 2008,00:08)
Someone named "Earvin Johnson" noticed the same word choice that I did. He/she asked, at UD, 'If edits are “scrupulously” removed, what’s the problem?'

I predict that Earvin Johnson will disappear like Magic.  ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,07:50   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 30 2008,22:32)
Apparently, someone disagrees with lil Billy D's assessment of the Wikipedia article and its impact on donations.

A beautiful way to end the year!  More proof that ID is all about hot air and blather, and reality is all about getting things done.

Thanks Rich!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,10:03   

Quote (Bebbo @ Dec. 31 2008,06:42)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 30 2008,10:38)
Lil Billy D whines about Wikipedia:

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

Through the Wikipedia page on Dembski I found this:

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=28460

I guess we can add "gullible sucker" to the list of Dembski's other shortcomings.

If that wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious that he can't see the similarities between himself and "If you've Got Any Spare Christmas Money, Buy My Book" O'Leary on the one hand and Todd Bentley's scummy scamming on the other hand.

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It seemed that power, prestige and money (in that order) were dominating motives behind the meeting. Minimal time was given to healing, though plenty was devoted to assaulting our senses with blaring insipid music and even to Bentley promoting and selling his own products (books and CDs).
Substitute 'science' for 'healing', 'inanity' for 'insipid music', and any of the usual suspects for 'Bentley', and you've got a fine description of the Discovery Institute.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,10:33   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 30 2008,11:38)
Lil Billy D whines about Wikipedia:

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

The TARD is strong with this one:

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uoflcard

12/31/2008

6:33 am

I thought I was the only one that noticed all of the biased crap. I’ve spent hours trying to give the other side of the story, but it is always erased within a day or so.
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wikipedia is a great resource for a lot of things, but the incredible bias towards materialism...


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,10:40   

DaveScot is not too happy with the new developments at UD  
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WJM
 
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what gets authorized here as a legitimate part of the ID discussion has ramifications.


Yeah but it’s not like Bill Dembski is doing the authorizing anymore and it’s not like Barry Arrington, who is doing the authorizing, is a fellow of the Discovery Institute.

So I wouldn’t worry too much about those ramifications when the sources are so easily impeached.


As somebody predicted here there is going to be a tard fight. I would never have thaugt that tribune7 would agreed to a comment of mine:
 
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Thus, irrespective of being true or not FSM is fully compatible with ID and should not be expelled from the discussion of possible designer identities.

Exactly! And we should remember to point out that the FSM is a far more reasonable hypothesis than whatever flavor of the day the materialist crowd is using to explain what came before the Big Bang.


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,10:57   

Quote (sparc @ Dec. 31 2008,10:40)
DaveScot is not too happy with the new developments at UD  
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12/31/2008
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WJM
   
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what gets authorized here as a legitimate part of the ID discussion has ramifications.


Yeah but it’s not like Bill Dembski is doing the authorizing anymore and it’s not like Barry Arrington, who is doing the authorizing, is a fellow of the Discovery Institute.

So I wouldn’t worry too much about those ramifications when the sources are so easily impeached.


As somebody predicted here there is going to be a tard fight. I would never have thaugt that tribune7 would agreed to a comment of mine:
 
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Thus, irrespective of being true or not FSM is fully compatible with ID and should not be expelled from the discussion of possible designer identities.

Exactly! And we should remember to point out that the FSM is a far more reasonable hypothesis than whatever flavor of the day the materialist crowd is using to explain what came before the Big Bang.

Well, I'm not convinced, so I will wait until noted God-Lover BA^77 chimes in with chapter and verse.... and I mean that both literally and figuratively.  He's the only poster over there that can compete with Gordon aka KF for volume and references to Bible-Stuff.  

Now if only he can shake that nanny filter, and post his inner demons - then indeed, we would see a veritable tTsunami O' Tard ™.

Come on BA!  There are N00bs there -and here - that can not comprehend the tard-storm you can bring.  Come on - Do it for The Kidz...

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,16:50   

Quote (Bebbo @ Dec. 31 2008,07:42)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 30 2008,10:38)
Lil Billy D whines about Wikipedia:

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

Through the Wikipedia page on Dembski I found this:

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=28460

I guess we can add "gullible sucker" to the list of Dembski's other shortcomings.

I just read that. Jesus christ. That's sad. What a poor dupe. That's a shame.

Too bad he goes on being Todd Bentley to other people.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,17:37   

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 31 2008,16:50)
Quote (Bebbo @ Dec. 31 2008,07:42)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 30 2008,10:38)
Lil Billy D whines about Wikipedia:

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

Through the Wikipedia page on Dembski I found this:

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=28460

I guess we can add "gullible sucker" to the list of Dembski's other shortcomings.

I just read that. Jesus christ. That's sad. What a poor dupe. That's a shame.

Too bad he goes on being Todd Bentley to other people.

It's sad that anyone as intelligent and well educated as Dembski should fall for something that anyone with a modicum of commonsense would know isn't going to cure his son.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,18:23   

TheYellowShark:
 
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...Evolution is accepted beyond all reasonable doubt within the scientific community.



tribune7:
     
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Geocentricsm was accepted beyond all reasonable doubt the scientific community circa 1610.


Yes. And so was intelligent design.


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,18:28   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 01 2009,09:50)
Quote (Bebbo @ Dec. 31 2008,07:42)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 30 2008,10:38)
Lil Billy D whines about Wikipedia:

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

Through the Wikipedia page on Dembski I found this:

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=28460

I guess we can add "gullible sucker" to the list of Dembski's other shortcomings.

I just read that. Jesus christ. That's sad. What a poor dupe. That's a shame.

Too bad he goes on being Todd Bentley to other people.

The sad thing is that it wont really make WAD think.  A skeptic's next question would be to research to see if they are all fake and would expand the search to all miracles.

WAD on the other hand will just jump onboard the next great thing and try that. Notice that he mentions prayer and fasting. I wonder how much he has tried that without success.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,18:29   

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TheYellowShark:
     
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...Evolution is accepted beyond all reasonable doubt within the scientific community.



tribune7:
         
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Geocentricsm was accepted beyond all reasonable doubt the scientific community circa 1610.


Yes. And so was intelligent design.


Link

Oops. TheYellowShark nicely makes the same point himself a bit later in that thread.

I should go back to lurking.


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