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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,13:04   

Wouldn't a "zero-energy infinite-in-the-limit wavelength channel" mean that KF would post infinitely long comments that said absolutely nothing?

KF - in all seriousness, Keith is right.  I gave up on reading your posts, simply because they were too long.  If you can keep them brief, you'll be much more effective in communicating to us.  Give yourself a 100 word limit, for example, and if you find a comment is longer, cut it down.  Some careful editing will do wonders, and also gets easier over time (so it's worth the effort now).

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,13:10   

A little silence from KF could also lead to a solution of the world's economic crisis... I mean, we've all heard that silence is golden, right?

Thanks, you've been a great crowd - no need to start throwing things - I'll get me coat!

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,13:13   

Though I don't read KF's comments I strongly encourage him to make even post longer comments. A second user name, e.g. Gordon or "our insular friend", would help to add additional content.
Who cares? WMAD? I guess he doesn't.

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jeffox



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,13:29   

Ya ya, I just think that it's Tardischokus bloviating and skip everything written, because I assume (correctly) that KF says nothing.  Usually less.  What a waste of time.

My 2c.   :)

  
Steverino



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,13:36   

"Just possibly, someone might listen — they certainly are monitoring. And, as fellow sons of Adam and Daugthers of Eve [the echo of C S Lewis is deliberate], they too deserve a chance to respond to the truth. Even if — in the guise of medicine — it is a bit hard to swallow at first."

LOL.....Who writes this way?

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,14:25   

Heh -- Mark Frank also begs KF for brevity:
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Kairosfocus

You also write:
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Nor, that others and the undersigned have addressed the issues and concerns surrounding evo mat based determinism on mind, reasoning and moral responsibility in both significant details and with at least a modicum of sober and informed reflection; e.g GP at 21 and SB at 56 and 112, or VJT at 62 and 85.

Some of these comments are incredibly long and there are lots of them. There is no way anyone can respond to everything and have a life. My biggest plea is for comments that make just one or two points as concisely as possible. Even this one is too long.


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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,14:42   

KF responds:
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On “length.”

When I see a comment like GP at 21, I know that thousands of pages of reading and years of reflection and dialogue lie behind it.

I am therefore plain out grateful for such a — relatively speaking — succinct but responsibly mature, substantial and quite insightful (even, wise) summary on such a serious and consequential matter; available for the mere price of reading it; especially form someone who is struggling with a second language to do that.

Holy crap.

If I didn't know better, I'd swear that KF was someone's bloviating sockpuppet.

It would be fun to send a sample of KF's logorrhea to a writing coach and watch the cleaver fly.

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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,15:20   

I think it might be better to get someone else to send the sample of KF's logorrhea to a writing coach.  Because you know where that cleaver's gonna fly.

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It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

   
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,15:29   

Ouch.  That's got to hurt.  Denyse puts a link to one of her blog posts, about the top 10 Darwin and Design stories of the year.

Expelled is only at number 3.

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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,15:31   

DonaldM's latest post tells me there are a number of things I (presumably I am part of his target audience) need to consider:    
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TEN THOUGHTS DARWINIST’S NEED TO PONDER BEFORE BREAKFAST

Erm - not a good start, Donald: ALL CAPS and a glaring typo smack in the middle (yes, I am the grammar police, and yes, it is a copy and paste job, no excuse).
But let's see. Point 1:
 
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1. Evolution by natural selection is more plausible in a theistic world than an atheistic world.

Evolution in a theistic world is possible if God pre-programmed the universe and infused Nature with information (the ultimate fine-tuning argument).

Evolution in an atheistic world is absurd. <snip the rest>

Um, no, Donald. I see no need to read any further into this religiously motivated creationist crap.

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,16:19   

angryoldfatman is shocked -- shocked, I tell you -- to find that National Geographic advocates bestiality:
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12/23/2008

1:52 pm

Borne wrote:
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One has to wonder if the goal [of those who persistently and methodically try to find man in animal and animal in man] is not trying to urge the world ‘forward’ to, that unspeakable reprobate, P. Singer’s ideas on sexuality.

That other unspeakable reprobate - H. Hefner - stated many years ago that there is nothing wrong with bestiality.

No level of baseness is surprising with these morons.

Of course you’re going to get screams of outrage on various evo sites about that opinion.

If they think it’s farfetched and outlandish that you could think such a thing, they need to get to know their science better. For instance, they could pick up a copy of the impeccably scientific National Geographic:

Interspecies Sex: Evolution’s Hidden Secret?

He then pulls a Salvador and slimes Skatje Myers all over again:
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Or they could see what their friends who have put all of that goofy morality from dusty old books behind them are doing. I wonder if their parents know what they’re up to?

Time to add "stupid" and "sleazy" to "angry", "old", and "fat".

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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,22:00   

D'OL missed some main developments:

WMAD dismisses EF
WMAD reinstates EF

DaveScot is no longer with us
DaveScot has resigned

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,07:21   

Mark Frank points out that KF's latest post is 1663 words long (approaching the length of an undergraduate essay!) and asks him to try and stick with a 200-word limit.  KF of course is having none of that:
   
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PS: Mark,

A: There is a reason an undergrad term paper is of length 2,000 - 5,000 words, and why College grad level theses start at around 40,000.

I think it is fair to say that a 200 word synopsis is not at all in the same class, where one expects and has to properly address seriously hostile scrutiny [cf Antievo, Panda's Thumb and the like, if you don't know what I am saying], and brief citations will invariably be pounced on as “quote mining” and more.

But also, we can take this in steps. There’s no rush . . .

To put this in another perspective, 1700 words is considered the ideal length for “short reports of original research focused on an outstanding finding whose importance means that it will be of interest to scientists in other fields” in Nature.  

You just can't write for an audience, KF.

E.T.A. And in case onlookers have any doubts, KF tells us that he is still actually officially “retired” from regular commenting at UD.

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,08:47   

Paradoxically, that is one KF comment worth quoting in full -- for the laughs:
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12/24/2008

7:12 am

PS: Mark,

A: There is a reason an undergrad term paper is of length 2,000 - 5,000 words, and why College grad level theses start at around 40,000.

I think it is fair to say that a 200 word synopsis is not at all in the same class, where one expects and has to properly address seriously hostile scrutiny [cf Antievo, Panda's Thumb and the like, if you don't know what I am saying], and brief citations will invariably be pounced on as “quote mining” and more.

But also, we can take this in steps. There’s no rush . . .

So, why not let’s start with the issue of the term you introduced: vitriol?

It’s point no 1 in my note just above, and is addressed in 208 words. (If you like imagine ther is a horizontal rule just after that point . . . )

So, why not look at this one first, then move on from there?

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[I even put in the HR . . .  )

B: More broadly, the sort of length just adverted to is what it typically takes to even at a first level seriously and responsibly address an important matter at the level of the guild of peers, or even in a semi-popular but serious forum as at UD.

(A typical garden variety 1 hour college lecture is 11 pp long, for similar reasons.)

And, we are here dealing with the core matters that have driven a massive polarising wedge across our whole civlisation.

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C: Not to mention, just for a moment, let us indulge a philosophical thought experiment that I hope and believe will help us put things in proportion:

THOT EXPT: Imagine what happens on a certain Day if you turn out to be wrong in your reductive materialism, and you are asked before a certain Bar, to account for how you handled the opportunity to think through the issues on your worldview and lifestyle. (After all a certain classical and authoritative Christian writer states in his most important writing, that living by even the quite limited the truth one knows or should know and associated persistence in the right are key factors that would count on such a day . . .)

"It wasn't written out in 200 words or less . . ."

Do you think such would wash at such a bar? [In short, is the limit of 200 words realistic for responsibly addressing such matters?]

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D: As well, I am not just writing for you, but for the many onlookers who almost never post here.

They, too, need to hear a responsible answer. And, many times such have communicated with me directly, expressing thanks for taking time to take up matters point by point and speak to the evidence and issues. (It helps to view my point- by- point comments and always linked note, longer comments by SB and similar ones by GP or others as back-up to the briefer remarks by others and even by myself. Indeed, I am actually officially “retired” from regular commenting at UD. I re-entered the fray only because of a wave of issues that came to a head recently; on the evidence, tied to a thrust from Antievo. I actually shortly intend to return to my lurking.)

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E: Also, again, there’s no rush.

So, why not let’s take on the points one at a time [they are numbered for that very reason], and we can discuss?

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I will monitor UD, especially this thread.

Merry Christmas

GEM of TKI


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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

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utidjian



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,09:18   

Quote (keiths @ Dec. 24 2008,08:47)
Paradoxically, that is one KF comment worth quoting in full -- for the laughs:
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kairosfocus

[much drivel deleted]

GEM of TKI

WTF was all that about!!??

Reminds me of some of the papers that people diagnosed with ADHD write.

Thanks for 'preserving' that keiths. I just can't handle the raw TARD any more. I prefer to get my carefully selected TARD by reading what you guys distil from UD.

-DU-

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,09:26   

There are a few gems and amusing subtexts in there for readers willing to brave the sludge.

1. KF effectively says: Brief comments may suffice for my inferiors at UD, but my own thoughts are too grand to be carried by such puny vessels.
2. Amidst the windbaggery, KF is careful to abbreviate "THOT EXPT".  Gotta save space, you know?
3. KF imagines a Final Judgment in which sinners are sentenced to hell for skipping over his comments.
4. KF:  I do it for the lurkers, who depend on my "responsible" answers.

KF, here's another interesting quote from that book you're so fond of.

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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,10:10   

Davey weighs in on the Lengthgate scandal:
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12/24/2008

10:56 am

kairosfocus

Your comments far, far exceed the average length here. You claim that “serious and responsible” responses require that length.

By implication you are saying that people who make responses in tens or hundreds of words instead of thousands are not serious and not responsible.

In point of fact you are the irresponsible party unwilling to muzzle yourself for the sake of almost everyone else who has the common courtesy to not spam the comments here with such long winded bloviation. Get over yourself.


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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,10:40   

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Davey weighs in on the Lengthgate scandal:
 
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DaveScot

12/24/2008

10:56 am

kairosfocus

Your comments far, far exceed the average length here. You claim that “serious and responsible” responses require that length.

By implication you are saying that people who make responses in tens or hundreds of words instead of thousands are not serious and not responsible.

In point of fact you are the irresponsible party unwilling to muzzle yourself for the sake of almost everyone else who has the common courtesy to not spam the comments here with such long winded bloviation. Get over yourself.



HAHA! I would high five the Davester, but I don't want to get Cheezy Poof debris all over my hands.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,11:05   

dochocson said:

HAHA! I would high five the Davester, but I don't want to get Cheezy Poof debris all over my hands.[/quote]
Yeah!  

Do you think Santa will bring him that New I-Ban Button he's been asking for?

I think it might have some great auto-functions that are state- of-the-art.

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,11:10   

You folks just don't get it. KhorusFecus himself said it best:

 
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"There is a reason an undergrad term paper is of length 2,000 - 5,000 words, and why College grad level theses start at around 40,000. "


Now do you see? He's writing a THESIS, dammit!. There's serious business afoot here, all scientifical and edumacational-like.

Where the hell is JAD? We *NEED* him at UD. He's the crazy glue that can bind together these cracked pieces of fractured prose.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,12:34   

well I know for a fact that theses have been accepted that contained even less content.  

Y'all gonna push this fool til he kill everyone in his group home with a popsicle stick or strangle them with the rosary or something.  It's long been known that KF is a serious basket case with manic and compulsive tendencies. Let's hope that the wordy bird ain't homocidal* too.  I bet this bitch ain't scared of clowns and GOD RIDES WITH HIM (onlookers for verification see always linked here I II III IV V VI VII VIII and appendix with references therein).

*ETA if he is then Arden better be scared

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,14:05   

Quote (dochocson @ Dec. 24 2008,10:40)
HAHA! I would high five the Davester, but I don't want to get Cheezy Poof debris all over my hands.

Do you think if I accidently slipped while high fiving Davey that a jury of my peers would award me damages for his broken nose spewing blood all over my hand?

I'm just asking....

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,14:27   

Quote (Maya @ Dec. 24 2008,14:05)
Quote (dochocson @ Dec. 24 2008,10:40)
HAHA! I would high five the Davester, but I don't want to get Cheezy Poof debris all over my hands.

Do you think if I accidently slipped while high fiving Davey that a jury of my peers would award me damages for his broken nose spewing blood all over my hand?

I'm just asking....

Maybe that's what really happened to Khan's wrist?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,15:03   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 24 2008,15:27)
Quote (Maya @ Dec. 24 2008,14:05)
Quote (dochocson @ Dec. 24 2008,10:40)
HAHA! I would high five the Davester, but I don't want to get Cheezy Poof debris all over my hands.

Do you think if I accidently slipped while high fiving Davey that a jury of my peers would award me damages for his broken nose spewing blood all over my hand?

I'm just asking....

Maybe that's what really happened to Khan's wrist?

So some folks actually read and remember my posts?

If the pain in my wrist is an indicator, he wouldn't just have a bloody nose, he would have a fractured skull.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,15:24   

Quote (khan @ Dec. 24 2008,14:03)
   
Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 24 2008,15:27)
   
Quote (Maya @ Dec. 24 2008,14:05)
     
Quote (dochocson @ Dec. 24 2008,10:40)
HAHA! I would high five the Davester, but I don't want to get Cheezy Poof debris all over my hands.

Do you think if I accidently slipped while high fiving Davey that a jury of my peers would award me damages for his broken nose spewing blood all over my hand?

I'm just asking....

Maybe that's what really happened to Khan's wrist?

So some folks actually read and remember my posts?

If the pain in my wrist is an indicator, he wouldn't just have a bloody nose, he would have a fractured skull.

Pre-existing condition I think...not your fault.

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Merry Holidays, good health and excessive libations to all!

Thanks for another year of high-brow, elitist entertainment!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,15:46   

High-brow?  You must have come to the wrong place, Tony.  The library is round the corner.

But have a merry Xmas, everyone.  Whatever beliefs you hold.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,17:22   

Yes!

Happy Holidays, Kwanza, Hanukkah, Festivus and any other .

ps:  BA^77, Borne and Gordon all sent eamils - they want this thread moved to The Happy Birthday Thread, and well, since Dec 25 IS the DOB of Newton, maybe it should be...

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2008,19:48   

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Happy Holidays, Kwanza, Hanukkah, Festivus and any other .

You left out the pagan solstice festival, you bigot!  No dancing naked around the yule log for you!

What the heck is in these?  "Brandy Alexander" sounds so tame.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,00:20   

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Davey weighs in on the Lengthgate scandal:

   
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12/24/2008

10:56 am

kairosfocus

Your comments far, far exceed the average length here. You claim that “serious and responsible” responses require that length.

By implication you are saying that people who make responses in tens or hundreds of words instead of thousands are not serious and not responsible.

In point of fact you are the irresponsible party unwilling to muzzle yourself for the sake of almost everyone else who has the common courtesy to not spam the comments here with such long winded bloviation. Get over yourself.
KF replies:  
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blah, blah blah ...
 
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blah, blah, blah ...I am actually only intervening because of a recent crisis on the site with implications for the wider Design movement.
KF = Savior of UD

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,05:45   

Quote (sparc @ Dec. 25 2008,00:20)
 
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Davey weighs in on the Lengthgate scandal:

     
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DaveScot

12/24/2008

10:56 am

kairosfocus

Your comments far, far exceed the average length here. You claim that “serious and responsible” responses require that length.

By implication you are saying that people who make responses in tens or hundreds of words instead of thousands are not serious and not responsible.

In point of fact you are the irresponsible party unwilling to muzzle yourself for the sake of almost everyone else who has the common courtesy to not spam the comments here with such long winded bloviation. Get over yourself.
KF replies:    
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blah, blah blah ...
     
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blah, blah, blah ...I am actually only intervening because of a recent crisis on the site with implications for the wider Design movement.
KF = Savior of UD

KF need not worry as long as it about just the "wider Design movement" as long as it is not about the theory and research of ID. ( Is this where I should add "Snicker, giggle"?)

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