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Bebbo



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2008,07:01   

Denyse claims there's "no going back on being human". Clearly she's never heard of so-called feral children raised by animals.

One can only wonder if there's no going back on being an IDiot.

  
simmi



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2008,07:42   

Quote (keiths @ Dec. 21 2008,14:17)
Clive's pure soul becomes corrupted by the power of bannination:
 
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Clive Hayden

12/21/2008

1:17 pm

rib said,

“I didn’t ask for an apology. I asked for a single standard to be applied to ID supporters and critics alike at UD.”

I am applying that standard, and we may need to get something straight first, the standard is not whether one asks for an apology, it is whether someone is decent enough to give it. You aren’t. I am. That’s a double standard, even by your estimation, and I won’t allow it.

<facepalm>  Seriously.

And speaking of Berlinski, anyone else catch this delicious piece of hearsay (the venue was a debate in Texas)?

 
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A fellow NTCOF member was seated near me, and ventured over to speak with Drs. Krauss and Berlinski during the break (they had wandered off to a corner of the auditorium, and were engaged in a private discussion). Upon drawing close, he heard Krauss ask Berlinski why he wasted his intellect advocating for intelligent design. To which Berlinski replied that he doesn't believe a word of it, but is happy to cash the checks the Discovery Institute writes him.


Good to know he's a bald-faced charlatan to the snake-oil purveyors as well.  (Although the blogger did say he doubted the DI got their money's worth)

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2008,08:51   

Quote (simmi @ Dec. 22 2008,15:42)
Quote (keiths @ Dec. 21 2008,14:17)
Clive's pure soul becomes corrupted by the power of bannination:
   
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Clive Hayden

12/21/2008

1:17 pm

rib said,

“I didn’t ask for an apology. I asked for a single standard to be applied to ID supporters and critics alike at UD.”

I am applying that standard, and we may need to get something straight first, the standard is not whether one asks for an apology, it is whether someone is decent enough to give it. You aren’t. I am. That’s a double standard, even by your estimation, and I won’t allow it.

<facepalm>  Seriously.

And speaking of Berlinski, anyone else catch this delicious piece of hearsay (the venue was a debate in Texas)?

   
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A fellow NTCOF member was seated near me, and ventured over to speak with Drs. Krauss and Berlinski during the break (they had wandered off to a corner of the auditorium, and were engaged in a private discussion). Upon drawing close, he heard Krauss ask Berlinski why he wasted his intellect advocating for intelligent design. To which Berlinski replied that he doesn't believe a word of it, but is happy to cash the checks the Discovery Institute writes him.


Good to know he's a bald-faced charlatan to the snake-oil purveyors as well.  (Although the blogger did say he doubted the DI got their money's worth)

Oh they got their monkeys worth alright, he showed them his 'limit' and they all went 'oooohh ahhhhh such brilliance', and <behind their hands> 'he's Jewish too'.

They should be upfront with him though and give him the bad news, there'll be no room in the manger when JFC drives around the corner in his Dodge with his flaming torch of redemption and cordwood..

The Disco 'tute however just didn't sit 'round gobsmacked when he revealed that 'gift' to them they rushed to the webcounters and weighed the silver.

Intellect ....oh?

...ncht of course there's 2 of them, Dr. Doc Berlinski Berlinski.

Does he still have to interview himself or is there someone smart enough at the DI to ask him questions now?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2008,09:02   

Quote (Bebbo @ Dec. 22 2008,07:01)
Denyse claims there's "no going back on being human". Clearly she's never heard of so-called feral children raised by animals. read most of the regular posters on UD.

One can only wonder if there's no going back on being an IDiot.



Fixed it for you...

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Advocatus Diaboli



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2008,09:51   

Over at Evolution News &Views, Michael Egnor obliterates a couple of irony meters:

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Here’s some advice, Elf: you’ve read too much Darwinian "fantasy erotica." Take a cold shower, and then introduce yourself to science and history.


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khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2008,10:28   

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Frost122585

12/21/2008

9:16 pm
The deal with multiverse is simply to avoid the ultimate question that troubles the entirty of all things from philosophy, to physics, to theology, to life experiences of all kinds; what is it that determines form?

As Johannes Keplar use put it in his seminal writing on the movement of Heavenly Bodies “why do things happen one way as opposed to another?”

In physics we call this the “first cause“. materialist physicists like Stephen Hawkins will have you believe that asking what “caused the first cause” is an incoherent question. Hawking has likened it to the question “what is north of north?“ He says this I meaningless and he is right - but we are not asking what is north of north- no we are asking “why should their be a north at all?” Why is it a north and not say simply a 3 directional world of only south, east and west? There is no way to answer this question except to point to the moment of paradox- that is the point of physical question can be measured. We can set up the real scenario and put it o0t the physicists to explain.


FSM help me, I read the whole thread.

I just love how they constantly tell each other how intelligent and insightful (and morally superior) they are.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2008,11:34   

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Frost122585

12/21/2008

9:16 pm
The deal with multiverse is simply to avoid the ultimate question that troubles the entirty of all things from philosophy, to physics, to theology, to life experiences of all kinds; what is it that determines form?

As Johannes Keplar use put it in his seminal writing on the movement of Heavenly Bodies “why do things happen one way as opposed to another?”

In physics we call this the “first cause“. materialist physicists like Stephen Hawkins will have you believe that asking what “caused the first cause” is an incoherent question. Hawking has likened it to the question “what is north of north?“ He says this I meaningless and he is right - but we are not asking what is north of north- no we are asking “why should their be a north at all?” Why is it a north and not say simply a 3 directional world of only south, east and west? There is no way to answer this question except to point to the moment of paradox- that is the point of physical question can be measured. We can set up the real scenario and put it o0t the physicists to explain.


FSM help me, I read the whole thread.

I just love how they constantly tell each other how intelligent and insightful (and morally superior) they are.

Oh dey iz relly smrat just like Stephen Hawking ????


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2008,17:31   

Clive deletes JDH's carefully crafted comment:
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Clive Hayden

12/22/2008

5:10 pm

JDH,

Let’s be careful of calling people’s statements absurd and stupid.

Yes.  Saying "That's absurd" to someone is the height of disrespect. It might hurt his or her feelings.
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JDH

12/22/2008

5:26 pm
Clive,

I did not keep a copy of the post, but a lot of thought went into it. Could you post it with the offending words removed and/or appropriately toned down.

JDH, this is UD.  Save your comments.
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I apprecitate the moderation.

Thank you, sir.  Without your kind intervention, I might have persisted in my sins against the fatherland.

Nervously eyeing the bannination button, JDH hastens to add:
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JDH

12/22/2008

5:28 pm

Oh and let me add… I’m sorry

I love UD.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2008,18:02   

Design or chance? Mount Rushmore analogy fight over at UD anyone? :)
http://www.komonews.com/weather/blog/36578184.html?blog=y




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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2008,18:17   

Quote (keiths @ Dec. 22 2008,18:31)
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I apprecitate the moderation.

Thank you, sir.  Without your kind intervention, I might have persisted in my sins against the fatherland.

Nervously eyeing the bannination button, JDH hastens to add:
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JDH

12/22/2008

5:28 pm

Oh and let me add… I’m sorry

I love UD.

UD is the greatest website of all time.

   
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2008,18:25   

For those visitors from UD, here's a blast from the past.

Remember this?
evolution-questions-network/
     
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1 August 2006
Evolution Questions Network
William Dembski
More student activism to unmask evolutionary pretensions:

   MYSPACE: http://www.myspace.com/evolutionquestions
   XANGA: http://www.xanga.com/evolutionquestions
   LIVEJOURNAL: http://evoquestions.livejournal.com
   BLOGSPOT: http://www.evolutionquestions.blogspot.com

Then ask yourself what the dates Tuesday December 12 2006, Saturday November 25, 2006, Mar. 29th, 2007 and Thursday March 29 2007 all have in common.

Why, it's almost as if somebody went and created a number of blogs/profiles on different sites in an attempt to prove that there was a groundswell of public opinion turning in their favour. And then nothing whatsoever happened at great length.

"More" student activism? Before you can have "more" you have to have "some" and even that some really cannot be people pretending to be students and creating myspace profiles.

Here's the last post on the myspace page of "Evolution Questions" who is apparently 21 years of age.

 
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Sunday, December 09, 2007
 

It’s Been a While...

It's been a while since we've updated here at the Evolution Quesitons Network.  That will be changing from this point forth as we'll have more posts that will be able to help and assist you as you continue your quest in this debate between evolution and intelligent design.

Thanks for being with us and have a great day!


Yes, UD residents, thanks for being with us and have a great day! Check those links out to see how popular ID is with "the kids".

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2008,18:35   

A little googling (or, sigh, a design inference) leads me to believe Samuel Chen, longtime shill for ID, to be the person who constructed those profiles/blogs.

http://doubtingdarwin.blogspot.com/2006....as.html
     
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The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) called it “historic” and “truly a victory for the constitution.”  The National Science Teachers Association (NSTA) referred to Jones’ opinion as “comprehensive and detailed” and called it a “must read.”  The National Association of Biology Teachers (NABT) said “Judge Jones clearly understands that evolution is strong, powerfully documented science….” You can read the praise given by the National Center for Science Education (NCSE) and other groups here, all praising Jones for his outstanding and masterful ruling.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.c....4594769
     
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The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) called it "historic" and "truly a victory for the constitution."  The National Science Teachers Association (NSTA) referred to Jones' opinion as "comprehensive and detailed" and called it a "must read."  The National Association of Biology Teachers (NABT) said "Judge Jones clearly understands that evolution is strong, powerfully documented science…." You can read the praise given by the National Center for Science Education (NCSE) and other groups here, all praising Jones for his outstanding and masterful ruling.

Here is a somewhat ironic paragraph from later on in the text, also from both sites
   
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As students, we're not allow to plagiarize others.  We're not even allowed to use too many quotes in our papers for fear that our paper will "not be our own."  We are always told that a paper should be our ideas and analysis of a certain topic, with proper guidance by others (the sources).  A paper should not be someone else's ideas and analysis guided by us.
In 139 pages, less than 15 were Jones' own. Quite frankly, Judge Jones would have failed out of any of our schools with that opinion.  It makes me mad to think that my education, your education, and the education of students for generations to come is being decided by a federal judge who cannot think for himself but plagiarizes his decisions.

From this point forth--I vow to be different.  If Judge Jones can't think for himself on the issue of evolution and intelligent design, I will.  I ask you students to join me.  Don't follow blindly what your teachers, professors, or even federal judges say.  Don't be enslaved...think for yourself!!

   
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As a student, I’m required to submit nearly all my papers to a website called Turnitin.com. Turnitin.com helps professors check for plagiarism in papers by reporting how much of a particular paper was derived from other sources (books, other papers, websites, etc.).  Professors typically allow up to 10%—nicer professors, 15% —of verbatim copying, because Turnitin.com doesn’t account for properly cited quotations.  Typically, a paper of which 20% or 25% and above is not original receives a failing grade, either for plagiarism or for simply not using one’s own ideas. We are always told that a paper should be our ideas and analysis of a certain topic, with proper guidance by others (the sources).  A paper should not be someone else’s ideas and analysis guided by us.

Fails at copying himself.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2008,19:20   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Dec. 22 2008,18:35)
A little googling (or, sigh, a design inference) leads me to believe Samuel Chen, longtime shill for ID, to be the person who constructed those profiles/blogs.

http://doubtingdarwin.blogspot.com/2006....as.html
       
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As a student, I’m required to submit nearly all my papers to a website called Turnitin.com. Turnitin.com helps professors check for plagiarism in papers by reporting how much of a particular paper was derived from other sources (books, other papers, websites, etc.).  Professors typically allow up to 10%—nicer professors, 15% —of verbatim copying, because Turnitin.com doesn’t account for properly cited quotations.  Typically, a paper of which 20% or 25% and above is not original receives a failing grade, either for plagiarism or for simply not using one’s own ideas. We are always told that a paper should be our ideas and analysis of a certain topic, with proper guidance by others (the sources).  A paper should not be someone else’s ideas and analysis guided by us.

Fails at copying himself.

My students writing lab reports have 5% maximum flagged by Turnitin for copying, and they have been examined closely by me.  My students don't copy at all.  I haz Dezine infrens! :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2008,23:27   

Denyse bumps the shark:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-genius

 
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Recently, I got mail. Some U dullard thought I had bumped the shark, when I quoted Bruce Thornton on false knowledge - presumably because a classics prof like Thornton couldn’t really know anything.


Or perhaps it is because Thornton has a fondness for over-the-top bloviation such as    
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Anytime a sentence is prefaced with the phrase “studies have shown,” you can be sure to hear either some truism ponderously restated, or some half-baked oversimplification the authors of the study already believed to be true before they ever began. And when the “study” purports to prove some truth about that intricate, complex, quirky, unpredictable, unique creature that is a human being, then you can be equally sure that its conclusions add one more disease to the syndrome of false knowledge.

Every time, no exceptions. Sure.

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Wowza! A guy who actually knows what happened thousands of years ago (when at least some people were literate) is an ignoramus, but dullards who make up stupid stories about stuff that allegedly happened tens of thousands of years ago - when there is no way of checking - are scholars?

People who honestly believe that kind of thing are self-refuting. Apart from government funding, they are a problem that would solve itself.

Who are you going to believe about Pleistocene-Holocene climate change, me or your lying ice cores?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,00:11   

You just have to love Granny Tard's ravings. She doesn't even bother to disguise her utter contempt for education.

So bitter, so brain dead, so funny.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,01:23   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Dec. 22 2008,19:25)
XANGA: http://www.xanga.com/evolutionquestions
   LIVEJOURNAL:

I have become known that using the word "ranga" to refer to a cute redheaded girlfliend has outlived its usefulness and wil from future baniniation.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,03:52   

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Denyse bumps the shark <snip>

Well spotted. Quoting O'Leary:
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Recently, I got mail. Some U dullard thought I had bumped the shark,


Gawd that is dim. I has no photoshop skillz but maybe someone can improve on this:

How does one 'bump' a/the shark?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,04:08   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 23 2008,00:11)
You just have to love Granny Tard's ravings. She doesn't even bother to disguise her utter contempt for education.

So bitter, so brain dead, so funny.


And so ironic:

"My own sense is that too many people today are invested in proving stuff they are sure is true, and not enough in finding out what is really going on."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,04:43   

Speaking of Mr Chen, Allen MacNeill has a write up:

Dr. Dembski strongly implied in his press release that these IDEA Centers were essentially research centers, such as those commonly found at college and university campuses.
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Well, they aren't...or, rather, weren't. They weren't "research centers" or anything like it. They were clubs, similar to the kinds of student-centered special interest clubs that abound on most college and university campuses. Such clubs have several characteristics in common:

Via PZ.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,08:17   

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Odd thing is, he didn't even wait for my apology.  :p

Not odd at all.  That is what those people do.

Many years ago, I was in a similar situation on ARN.  An exceptionally smarmy and smug creationist had recently died, and in the ensuing Nixonization of him (all past misdeeds were forgotten, he was elevated to 'great man' status, etc.) was getting out of hand, I wouldn't play along.  We had gone back and forth well prior to his death about his claim that phylogenetics fails because it does not meet the "Kock rules."  He would never explain what he meant.  After his death, in the lament thread, I commented that now I'd never get to know how the 'Koch rules' applied to phylogenetics.  A number of indignant creationists complained to the ARN thugs, and I was sent an email by Paul Nelson explaining that folks were demanding my banning unless I apologized.  About 10 minutes after I got the 'warning' I went to ARN to apologize, and I was already banned.

I guess they like to be able to say that they came down from the mountain to give the poor heathen a chance.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,08:17   

Re "bumped the shark"

There really is a simple explanation for this most unfortunate typo.

Densye is afflicted with a cognitive impairment that causes her to confuse the second and tenth letters of the alphabet.

It's called 'BJ on my mind' and I'm sure she will be happy to discuss it with all or any of you.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,08:28   

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How does one 'bump' a/the shark?

Much easier than to "Hump" a shark.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,08:30   

Quote (Amadan @ Dec. 23 2008,08:17)
Re "bumped the shark"

There really is a simple explanation for this most unfortunate typo.

Densye is afflicted with a cognitive impairment that causes her to confuse the second and tenth letters of the alphabet.

It's called 'BJ on my mind' and I'm sure she will be happy to discuss it with all or any of you.

EWWWWWW1111!!!!!.... but obviously true!

It's good to see that her time spent managing "The Kidz Blog Underwhelming Evidence" has helped her maintain her youthful image.  

So, who wants to explain to her what Casey meant when he emailed her about wanting to be her ID Friend With Benefits????

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,08:45   

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kairosfocus: I see that, regrettably, Rib refused  to apologise for denigrative remarks

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kairosfocus: In short, strawman misrepresentaitons joined to contempt-filled ad hominem dismissals continue, unabated.


At the walls of Castle Uncommon Dissent, Le Château de Peu de Dissentiment.

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kairosfocus (translated into an outrageous French accent): You don't frighten us, English pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottom, sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called Arthur King, you and all your silly English k-nnnnniggets. Thpppppt! Thppt! Thppt!

Now look here my good man.

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kairosfocus (translated into an outrageous French accent): I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

What a strange person.

Is there someone else up there we could talk to?

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kairosfocus (translated into an outrageous French accent): No. Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a second time-a! {sniff}




the french castle


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,09:51   

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gpuccio: But I hope that some of our “adversaries” who come here are more sincere and open to true discussion. I think we should comcemtrate on the “good” antagonists. The “bad” ones may go on with their self satisying amenities in their private world.

I think you're missing the point, gpuccio. Reasonable comment is banned from Uncommon Descent. You're the one who lives in a cloister.

But you can leave any time you want.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,09:58   

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Reasonable comment is banned from Uncommon Descent.
Actually, it is impossible to identify any reasonable comment as long as KF and gpuccio spam UD.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,10:11   

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Reasonable comment is banned from Uncommon Descent.
Actually, it is impossible to identify any reasonable comment as long as KF and gpuccio spam UD.

Hey!  Don't you be disrespecting BA^77 and Denyse!!!! :(

BA and Denyse have just as many unreasonable comments as gpuccio and KF!.  And if BA^77 gets inspired again by the Holy Spirit and God of The Run-On Sentence on a roll, he can be just as long winded and senseless as KF - AND he can quote chapter and verse with the best of them...

So there, Mr. KF and gpuccio backer....

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,11:38   

Hi, kairosfocus!  Welcome back to AtBC.

I followed Zachriel's link to your latest comment at UD and found this:
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I did, however, see some remarks about failing to address Rib’s arguments.

You presumably meant this:
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I see that gpuccio and kf are already defending Clive, without ever addressing any of rib's points.

You responded at your usual prodigious length, arguing that you had addressed my points regarding compatibilism, but Maya was referring to a different set of points:
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ribczynski

12/21/2008

9:11 am

Clive Hayden wrote:
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I live in the reality-based world partner. I am a patient moderator with you rib, I expect some decency in return. When I first started moderating you complained that there was a double standard of moderation, so I apologized on behalf of all who gave you any undue disrespect, I expect an apology in return for your undue disrespect to me.

Clive,

I didn’t ask for an apology. I asked for a single standard to be applied to ID supporters and critics alike at UD.

Here are some suggestions:

1. Polite, on-topic comments from ID supporters don’t languish in the moderation queue for hours, and they certainly aren’t deleted. Stop doing this to polite, on-topic comments from ID critics.

2. ID supporters regularly insult critics with impunity at UD, so don’t object when a critic calls you ’smarmy’, particularly when…

3. …it happens outside of UD. You don’t police the off-blog activities of ID supporters, so don’t do it to ID critics.

4. Apologies aren’t demanded from ID supporters, so don’t demand them from critics.

One standard for all commenters. Is that so hard to understand?

You've remained uncharacteristically silent on these points, KF.  Why is that?

Since I have your attention, I'm tempted to respond to some of the questionable claims you've made at UD since my banning. However, I think it's better if I use this opportunity to perform a public service for your fellow commenters at UD.

KF, your comments are way too long.  I know you don't want to hear that, and I know you won't take my word for it, so don't.  Ask your fellow ID supporters.  (You might want to do so privately, so that they can respond honestly without being seen as publicly criticizing a fellow ID supporter or agreeing with the "enemy".)

You could easily cut your average comment by 80% with no appreciable loss of useful information.  Your fellow commenters would be grateful, and they might actually start reading your comments from beginning to end.  As it is, I guarantee you would be shocked and dismayed if you knew how many readers skip your comments altogether or skim them at best.

Can you blame them?  Whose eyes wouldn't glaze over when reading this:
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Nor, that others and the undersigned have addressed the issues and concerns surrounding evo mat based determinism on mind, reasoning and moral responsibility in both significant details and with at least a modicum of sober and informed reflection; e.g GP at 21 and SB at 56 and 112, or VJT at 62 and 85.

First of all, readers are not going to follow five references to earlier comments in the thread.  The people who are interested have already read them.  The same with links -- who's going to follow ten of them in a single comment?  I know I'm not the only one who shuddered when you wrote this:
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PPS: Moderators, has the number of permissible links per post gone up, if so what is the new limit?

As for the rest, you could have written:
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I and others have expressed serious concerns about the implications of determinism.
 
Please, KF -- for the sake of all of us in the evo/ID debate, tighten up your prose.  It will feel funny at first, but I tell you with all sincerity that it will make more people -- supporters and critics alike -- pay attention to what you write. That will make you a more effective voice in this debate.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,12:00   

80% is a good starting point, KF.  Once you master that, you should strive to reach 100%.  For the sake of your fellow IDers.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2008,12:09   

Just as Dembski says God the intelligent designer used a zero-energy infinite-in-the-limit wavelength channel to impart information to His its creation, so KF should not be satisfied unti he becomes the epitome of IDC advocacy by sending zero-length messages of support.

I think there was a proverb, too, something about silence being counted as wisdom, perhaps.

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