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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,08:38   

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Okay, this sentence is a bit of a red flag for those of us who have been around the Creationism-versus-evolution block a few times, because it just so happens that "I'm a good little scholar/truthseeker/Evolutionist, honest I am, but I just have some questions..." is an opening gambit which has been used by Creationists more than a few times.

I'm beginning to think that this guy is one of Dr Dr D's students, aka "a troll for god". I asked for clarifying definitions minutes after its first post appeared, and so far I've heard nada from it. That probably means it is not serious about the question, but is serious about trolling.

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,09:32   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 20 2010,06:38)
I'm beginning to think that this guy is one of Dr Dr D's students, aka "a troll for god".

I agree. It would be interesting to know if D^3 assigned his book as required reading. I recall a syllabus posted somewhere.

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,09:53   

Course Title: PHILO 4483; Christian Faith and Science

COURSE TEXTS
Required
[F-V] Antony Flew and Roy Varghese, There Is a God: How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind (New York: HarperOne, 2007).

[BW] Benjamin Wiker, Moral Darwinism: How We Became Hedonists (Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity, 2002).

[JL] John C. Lennox, God’s Undertaker: Has Science Buried God? (Oxford: Lion Hudson, 2007).

[FC] Francis S. Collins, The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief (New York: Free Press, 2006).

[WmD] William A. Dembski, The End of Christianity: Finding a Good God in an Evil World (Nashville: Broadman and Holman, 2009).

[B-O] Mario Beauregard and Denyse O’Leary, The Spiritual Brain: A Neuroscientist’s Case of the Existence of the Soul (New York: HarperOne, 2007).

Assignments:
(4) 3,000-word record of interactions with contrary websites, totaling at least 10 posts and giving URLs for posts — 10 percent positive. Due by last class meeting. This is where you get to mix it up with people on the other side of the debate over faith and science. It will open your eyes.

I can see! I can SEE! I thought the Biblical Rx was mud and spit.

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,11:02   

Quote (cdanner @ Feb. 18 2010,14:40)
Again, I am asking, wouldn't there be evidence of evolutionary change in this process alone? Thank you for the answers.

cdanner, Have you examined the The Genetic Codes link provided by the excellent post by Cubist?

I also encourage you to consider the implications of the Mitochondrial Genetic Code in Taxonomy Tree, and the Genetic Code in Taxonomy Tree. Still a work in progress, they are none-the-less the genetic culmination of the project began by Linnaeus in 1735.

Edited by Dr.GH on Feb. 20 2010,09:10

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Badger3k



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,11:07   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Feb. 20 2010,09:53)
Course Title: PHILO 4483; Christian Faith and Science

COURSE TEXTS
Required
[F-V] Antony Flew and Roy Varghese, There Is a God: How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind (New York: HarperOne, 2007).

[BW] Benjamin Wiker, Moral Darwinism: How We Became Hedonists (Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity, 2002).

[JL] John C. Lennox, God’s Undertaker: Has Science Buried God? (Oxford: Lion Hudson, 2007).

[FC] Francis S. Collins, The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief (New York: Free Press, 2006).

[WmD] William A. Dembski, The End of Christianity: Finding a Good God in an Evil World (Nashville: Broadman and Holman, 2009).

[B-O] Mario Beauregard and Denyse O’Leary, The Spiritual Brain: A Neuroscientist’s Case of the Existence of the Soul (New York: HarperOne, 2007).

Assignments:
(4) 3,000-word record of interactions with contrary websites, totaling at least 10 posts and giving URLs for posts — 10 percent positive. Due by last class meeting. This is where you get to mix it up with people on the other side of the debate over faith and science. It will open your eyes.

I can see! I can SEE! I thought the Biblical Rx was mud and spit.

Holy Carp!  Seriously - that awful book ghost-written and basically signed off by Flew, Collins, Dembski, and O'leary?  How can one mind contain such stupidity.  I'd expect the good Dr Dr's classroom to be painted with the exploded brains of his students.

Given how Densey writes, I would really hate to look at her book.  I may have to go try to find it, preferably for free.  I wonder if my library could order it?

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,11:14   

Quote (Badger3k @ Feb. 20 2010,09:07)
Given how Densey writes, I would really hate to look at her book.  I may have to go try to find it, preferably for free.  I wonder if my library could order it?

Order it used from Albris. They have copies for $5 US.

When you are feeling better after reading it, donate it to a library for the tax write-off.

ed: "right-off?" scheech. Even as political humor it sucked.

Edited by Dr.GH on Feb. 20 2010,16:44

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,11:16   

Quote (Badger3k @ Feb. 20 2010,11:07)
Given how Densey writes, I would really hate to look at her book.  I may have to go try to find it, preferably for free.  I wonder if my library could order it?

I got a copy of the book for free and read it so that I could post a review on Amazon. Then I sent the book to Reciprocating Bill and he read it and posted a review on Amazon. His review is the top-rated 1-star review, and mine is #2.

Read those to see if you really need to waste time and neurons on her drivel.

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Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,12:52   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 20 2010,08:38)
 
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Okay, this sentence is a bit of a red flag for those of us who have been around the Creationism-versus-evolution block a few times, because it just so happens that "I'm a good little scholar/truthseeker/Evolutionist, honest I am, but I just have some questions..." is an opening gambit which has been used by Creationists more than a few times.

I'm beginning to think that this guy is one of Dr Dr D's students, aka "a troll for god". I asked for clarifying definitions minutes after its first post appeared, and so far I've heard nada from it. That probably means it is not serious about the question, but is serious about trolling.

Well, there is a Lesley Clarke Danner on the Spring 2008 Dean's List at The Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary where Dembski teaches.

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,13:15   

Maybe s/he will come back and tell us.

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,14:39   

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Maybe s/he will come back and tell us.

He.  His profile here at ATBC shows that he lives up the road in Oklahoma City.  A little Google-fu shows that there is a Clarke Danner associated with the Putnam City Baptist Church and that a Clarke Danner started posting at freeratio.org on Feb 2.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,15:21   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 20 2010,14:39)
Quote (Dr.GH @ Feb. 20 2010,13:15)
Maybe s/he will come back and tell us.

He.  His profile here at ATBC shows that he lives up the road in Oklahoma City.  A little Google-fu shows that there is a Clarke Danner associated with the Putnam City Baptist Church and that a Clarke Danner started posting at freeratio.org on Feb 2.

Excellent Google-Fu Carlson-San!  I wonder if him getting outed so soon, means he only gets a B instead of an A in Dr. Dr. Dembski's class?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,15:24   

And science is of course not among his interests.

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,15:43   

Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 20 2010,15:21)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 20 2010,14:39)
 
Quote (Dr.GH @ Feb. 20 2010,13:15)
Maybe s/he will come back and tell us.

He.  His profile here at ATBC shows that he lives up the road in Oklahoma City.  A little Google-fu shows that there is a Clarke Danner associated with the Putnam City Baptist Church and that a Clarke Danner started posting at freeratio.org on Feb 2.

Excellent Google-Fu Carlson-San!  I wonder if him getting outed so soon, means he only gets a B instead of an A in Dr. Dr. Dembski's class?

In all fairness, I need to point out that OKC is not within commuting distance from Fort Worth and we only know that he was at SWBTS a year and a half ago. So there is no evidence that he is anything other than an alum.  

Further, we cannot be sure that he really isn't just curious like he says.  Although, he appears to have trotted out the old "evolution is just as much a faith" canard over at freeratio.org, which doesn't bode well.  But, I am still giving him the benefit of the doubt.

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Badger3k



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,17:07   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 20 2010,11:16)
Quote (Badger3k @ Feb. 20 2010,11:07)
Given how Densey writes, I would really hate to look at her book.  I may have to go try to find it, preferably for free.  I wonder if my library could order it?

I got a copy of the book for free and read it so that I could post a review on Amazon. Then I sent the book to Reciprocating Bill and he read it and posted a review on Amazon. His review is the top-rated 1-star review, and mine is #2.

Read those to see if you really need to waste time and neurons on her drivel.

Ok - thanks to both you and Dr GH

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,17:45   

But remember, a neuron is a terrible thing to waste.

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2010,18:57   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 20 2010,09:16)
I got a copy of the book for free and read it so that I could post a review on Amazon. Then I sent the book to Reciprocating Bill and he read it and posted a review on Amazon. His review is the top-rated 1-star review, and mine is #2.

The creationists vote against negative reviews of their crap books which keeps them off of the "front page" reviews. My review of Walt Brown's bull shit "In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood" is kept off the top page by just a few negative votes.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2013,23:25   

Call to ban creationism from Scottish schools:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news....=feedly

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 05 2013,17:35   

Just checked Amazon.com for the market value of Explore (a cherry-picked subset of the evidence for) Evolution.
I found three new copies, whose asking prices are $139.99; $619.92; and $4,678.
I found 11 used copies, whose prices range from a low of $139.99 to a high of $424.87.
I have no idea what's going on here…

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 05 2013,17:36   

Quote (Cubist @ Sep. 05 2013,17:35)
Just checked Amazon.com for the market value of Explore (a cherry-picked subset of the evidence for) Evolution.
I found three new copies, whose asking prices are $139.99; $619.92; and $4,678.
I found 11 used copies, whose prices range from a low of $139.99 to a high of $424.87.
I have no idea what's going on here…

It's an Amazon pricing algorithm.. that's all.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 05 2013,18:40   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 05 2013,17:36)
Quote (Cubist @ Sep. 05 2013,17:35)
Just checked Amazon.com for the market value of Explore (a cherry-picked subset of the evidence for) Evolution.
I found three new copies, whose asking prices are $139.99; $619.92; and $4,678.
I found 11 used copies, whose prices range from a low of $139.99 to a high of $424.87.
I have no idea what's going on here…

It's an Amazon pricing algorithm.. that's all.

My wife told me yesterday that she found a copy of the textbook she wrote being sold by one of the local college bookstores on Amazon.  It was marked up because it was "signed by the author".  Apparently it was her copy, stolen by a student, and only signed in the sense that she'd put her name in it.

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