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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2012,06:57   

Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 23 2012,17:58)
Ahem.... And this is going to get Louis back here how????

FTK - Do you have any pictures of you and the sheep that you could post, so we can get Louis back?  And is the sheep wearing any stockings?  I think Louis would like to know.*

*He also wants us all to know he's NOT Welsh.



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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2012,11:42   

Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Mar. 24 2012,03:11)
Ftk is Louis' sock.

Does he have a left one, too?

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2012,11:04   

Is this thread trying to pull the wool over somebody's eyes?

  
Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2012,11:12   

As Google is slow showing his latest comments over at Pharyngula, I went through some comments manually; he left a post the other day.
I didn't contact him because he didn't even react to the SMS.

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2012,12:02   

[quote=Ftk,Mar. 23 2012,15:40][/quote]
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ok...link one...nothing in there stating Santorum would turn the nation into a Christian theocracy.


Your inability to comprehend Santorum's statement is noted. I'll provide the relevant quote here and note Santorum's mistake that illustrates his agenda:

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“He is imposing his values on a church that has theological reasons for, and moral reasons for not allowing this type of care to be given through their institutions.”


The problem - as Santorum later realizes and attempts to correct - is that Obama is a Christian. So to accuse Obama of imposing his values on the Church is stating that somehow Obama's Christian values are not appropriate for the church. And as he earlier noted,

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"The Catholic church has a theology that says this is wrong, and he’s saying no I’ve got a different, I’ve got a different – you may want to call it a theology, you may want to call it secular values, whatever you want to call it, it’s a different moral values. And the president of the United States is exercising his values and trumping the values of the church."


So here he is stating that President Obama is imposing his non-church values on the United States. And this is, in Santorum's opinion, WRONG. So, this is no different than Santorum stating that he (Santorum) disagrees with Obama's "secular values", but that he would make sure to impose the Catholic Church values on the United States. That would be a theocracy.

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Link two....laughable.  They take one sentence from him and then they write a whole article literally putting words and thoughts into his mouth and mind.  Freaking truly unbelievable.


Apparently you failed to read the money quote:

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"I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.  The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country,” said Santorum.


There's not quotemine here nor is anyone putting words in Santorum's mouth. He's quite upfront in stating that he does not accept the First Amendment's - and more specifically Thomas Jefferson's - separation of  church and state. He straightforwardly believes that church values should be used to influence executive, legislative, and judicial actions. He's not even being coy about it. That's a theocratic position, FtK.

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The other links seem to be coming from "right wing watch".  Are you fer real?  I'll read them, but these are the sites *looking* to create insanity....they feed off it.

Both sides have these type of fear mongering, crazy rhetoric sites.  You can find some truth at them, but then they twist and contort just to get people worked up to side with their own hatred.  That's one reason why I don't read World Net Daily anymore.  They've just gone too far with a lot of things they write.


I posted them for Santorum's quotes. All that matters to me is showing what Santorum thinks. Santorum's speech is there in it's entirety. He believes that the United States is under attack by forces for Satan and that this needs to be fought - culturally, academically, and politically. That would be theocratic thinking.

The last link I provided goes to a speech Santorum made saying the creationism should be taught in science class. This is the prime example of theocratic thinking - that God and discussion of "God's creation" not just belong in our schools, but are scientific areas of discussion. This is the very definition of the imposition of specific (Christian) theology on methodological learning. Sorry FtK, but that doesn't wash. Creationism has been specifically banned by the Supreme Court of the US as being unconstitutional to teach as factually accurate in the public education system. Why? Not only is such a subject not science, it would be the endorsement of one particular religious opinion over all other religious opinions. Santorum is ok with that - and that's a theocratic stance.

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Side note here:  I'm not a Santorum backer....in fact, I'm out this election.  I want no part of it, and I really don't care if that makes me a bad American, Christian or whatever.


Well that's up to you of course. It's disappointing that you you don't care what your involvement (or lack there of) imparts on the nation as a whole, but then again this nation would not be what it is if you did not have the right to hold that view and that stance. So more power to you.

Just keep in mind that if folks like Santorum get further into politics and gain more influence, you may one day lose your right to civil disinterest and inaction.

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2012,12:09   

Quote (Ftk @ Mar. 23 2012,16:33)
k...read the Huffington post article.  

?  Really?  That = Christian Theocracy.

I agree with them in regard to evolution being the only consideration for origins in the classroom.  There is nothing wrong with considering that there is an ultimate Creator/Designer, and there is science to back that consideration. It should be taught.

That certainly doesn't me I would support a Christian theocracy!

Please provide valid scientific evidence for a) the Christian God of the bible and b) for the events of creation as described in Genesis.

I find it odd that you would make the claim that regarding science for an ultimate creator/designer given that it is currently unconstitutional to present creationism in public schools. Seems to me that if there were actual science for such a deity, there would be a heck of lot of judicial challenges to our current legal status.

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we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo

The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2012,13:17   

ha!  you are giving her entirely too much credit.  no way in hell does she think about any of this

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2012,13:34   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 26 2012,13:17)
ha!  you are giving her entirely too much credit.  no way in hell does she think about any of this

This.


... is the entire problem.  It's a matter of faith and that's the end of it.  She (and other like her) don't think, they just do as they are told by their pastors... who, mostly know the truth, but never ever share it with their parishioners for fear of destroying that very same faith.

Why think about it, my pastor tells me what to think.  Which is another reason why they attack Darwin and Dawkins, they can't conceive of a group that isn't led in exactly the same way as their church is.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2012,15:45   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 26 2012,14:34)
Why think about it, my pastor tells me what to think.  Which is another reason why they attack Darwin and Dawkins, they can't conceive of a group that isn't led in exactly the same way as their church is.

This.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,05:19   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 26 2012,23:45)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 26 2012,14:34)
Why think about it, my pastor tells me what to think.  Which is another reason why they attack Darwin and Dawkins, they can't conceive of a group that isn't led in exactly the same way as their church is.

This.



Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends.

I used to rule the world
Seas would rise when I gave the word
Now in the morning I sleep alone
Sweep the streets I used to own

I used to roll the dice
Feel the fear in my enemy's eyes
Listen as the crowd would sing
"Now the old king is dead! Long live the king!"

One minute I held the key
Next the walls were closed on me
And I discovered that my castles stand
Upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand

I hear Jerusalem bells are ringing
Roman Cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror, my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field

For some reason I can't explain
Once you go there was never
Never an honest word
And that was when I ruled the world

It was the wicked and wild wind
Blew down the doors to let me in
Shattered windows and the sound of drums
People couldn't believe what I'd become

Revolutionaries wait
For my head on a silver plate
Just a puppet on a lonely string
Oh who would ever want to be king?

I hear Jerusalem bells are ringing
Roman Cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror, my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field

For some reason I can't explain
I know Saint Peter won't call my name
Never an honest word
But that was when I ruled the world

I hear Jerusalem bells are ringing
Roman Cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror, my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field

For some reason I can't explain
I know Saint Peter won't call my name
Never an honest word
But that was when I ruled the world


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,10:04   

Way to go Robin; now she'll certainly flounce!  Presenting data with factiness!  If one were interested in thinking about these things, one might offer counter-arguments.  FTK will ignore your very straight-forward comment and "POOF" it never happened.

You see that, LOUIS?  Robin is being a big ol meanie to your girlfriend!!!

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,10:14   

I am continually reminded of a '80s euro dance song by Real McCoy (I think).

"You gotta keep the faith and run away"

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,14:24   

Really? Must be a slow news day here at AtBC Towers.

I'm touched you guys and girls,* but really, agreeing with FTK is an unforgivable crime. It's just not done. I see that you have even brought her out of retirement to entice annoy me. Deary me, that's desperate. I come back, inspired by text messages from SD and emails from Doc Bill, and lurk and what do I see? FTK frothing away and people encouraging a thread for Ghost of Paley (who is banned IIRC).

I have heartburn just thinking about it. Well, I say heartburn, it's more a slight itching of the dong.

Louis

*Jokes to the usual address.

P.S. BWE, we're cool. You don't address my concerns, but we're cool. We always were. No need to apologise.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,14:28   

Quote (Louis @ Mar. 27 2012,14:24)
Really? Must be a slow news day here at AtBC Towers.

I'm touched you guys and girls,* but really, agreeing with FTK is an unforgivable crime. It's just not done. I see that you have even brought her out of retirement to entice annoy me. Deary me, that's desperate. I come back, inspired by text messages from SD and emails from Doc Bill, and lurk and what do I see? FTK frothing away and people encouraging a thread for Ghost of Paley (who is banned IIRC).

I have heartburn just thinking about it. Well, I say heartburn, it's more a slight itching of the dong.

Louis

*Jokes to the usual address.

P.S. BWE, we're cool. You don't address my concerns, but we're cool. We always were. No need to apologise.

Slow news day doesn't even begin to cover it.  UD is dead and finally realizing it.  No new chew toys.

I has the sads.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,14:34   

Quote (Louis @ Mar. 27 2012,14:24)
people encouraging a thread for Ghost of Paley (who is banned IIRC).

I retract if you stay with us.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,14:35   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 27 2012,19:34)
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 27 2012,14:24)
people encouraging a thread for Ghost of Paley (who is banned IIRC).

I retract if you stay with us.

You making me an offer I can't refuse? ;-)

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,14:37   

Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Mar. 24 2012,10:11)
Ftk is Louis' sock.

This is a disgusting lie. If I could manage this I would deserve and Oscar and a newly coined Nobel Prize in the field of Creative Psychology.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,14:37   

Quote (Louis @ Mar. 27 2012,15:24)
Really? Must be a slow news day here at AtBC Towers.

I'm touched you guys and girls,* but really, agreeing with FTK is an unforgivable crime. It's just not done. I see that you have even brought her out of retirement to entice annoy me. Deary me, that's desperate. I come back, inspired by text messages from SD and emails from Doc Bill, and lurk and what do I see? FTK frothing away and people encouraging a thread for Ghost of Paley (who is banned IIRC).

I have heartburn just thinking about it. Well, I say heartburn, it's more a slight itching of the dong.

Louis

*Jokes to the usual address.

P.S. BWE, we're cool. You don't address my concerns, but we're cool. We always were. No need to apologise.



was the sheep wasn't it

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,14:38   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 27 2012,19:37)
[SNIP]

was the sheep wasn't it

Kinda.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,14:47   

* * * V I C T O R Y * * *



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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,14:52   

Quote (Louis @ Mar. 27 2012,20:38)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 27 2012,19:37)
[SNIP]

was the sheep wasn't it

Kinda.

Louis

Oh God, there goes the neighborhoo . . .

Feck it, it was always a slum!

Welcome back, perfidious Albino!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,14:54   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 27 2012,13:37)
was the sheep wasn't it

Could be; that was shear genius.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,15:08   

Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 27 2012,14:54)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 27 2012,13:37)
was the sheep wasn't it

Could be; that was shear genius.

Ewe aren't complaining.

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Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,15:16   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 27 2012,15:08)
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 27 2012,14:54)
 
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 27 2012,13:37)
was the sheep wasn't it

Could be; that was shear genius.

Ewe aren't complaining.

The lovely spring wether made him soft.

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,15:23   

Wait, did that thread actually work? Ok, who's socking as Louis?

But by joves, ain't it a pleasant sight to see that British mug here!

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,16:05   

Every time I think I'm out, they drag me back in.

Louis

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Bye.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,16:18   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 27 2012,15:08)
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 27 2012,14:54)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 27 2012,13:37)
was the sheep wasn't it

Could be; that was shear genius.

Ewe aren't complaining.

Flocking hell. I herd there might be another pun-run, but there muttoned be.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,16:21   

Quote (Louis @ Mar. 27 2012,14:05)
Every time I think I'm out, they drag me back in.

Louis

... he said sheepishly.

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The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein  (H/T, JAD)
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,17:14   

Quote (sledgehammer @ Mar. 27 2012,16:21)
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 27 2012,14:05)
Every time I think I'm out, they drag me back in.

Louis

... he said sheepishly.

Tom is Swift to join...

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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2012,17:16   

And welcome back.  Rich is great, but one voice and all...

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