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PTET



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,07:07   

Quote (GCUGreyArea @ Sep. 27 2008,05:04)
Hi there, I'm here now...

W00t! Welcome... I missed your posts from UD :)



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"Itís not worth the effort to prove the obvious. Ridiculous ideas donít deserve our time.
Even the attempt to formulate ID is a generous accommodation." - ScottAndrews

   
GCUGreyArea



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,07:50   

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I here admired your exchange with DaveScot vis the evolution of wheels.


Hi all, thanks for the welcome.

Freelurker, Its a shame DaveScot was so determined to misunderstand me and shut down what was, for me, a discussion on an interesting idea.

I found that seemed to be the case with most of the UD crowd - they decided that I was 'against them' and a delusional materialist, and proceeded to interpret everything I said in that light, even when I gave them the benefit of the doubt and made comments that presumed some form of intelligent creation.

One poster produced a quote about being certain that primates were incapable of appreciating beauty and when I argued that it was arrogant of them to assume that we are the only CREATED creatures capable of this I got flamed for being a 'materialist atheist'.

I sometimes wonder if they actually read any of the posts...

   
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,08:35   

Quote (GCUGreyArea @ Sep. 27 2008,07:50)
One poster produced a quote about being certain that primates were incapable of appreciating beauty and when I argued that it was arrogant of them to assume that we are the only CREATED creatures capable of this I got flamed for being a 'materialist atheist'..

Well, even if you're not a materialist atheist, you're welcome here. UD is poorer (if that's possible) without your presence, but your contributions were appreciated here.

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,09:09   

Quote (huwp @ Sep. 27 2008,06:14)
I think that's about it. †There are loads of others here and most of them are a bit dotty too.

Anyway, welcome!

Huwp

Don't forget Albus Dumbledore Doctor Doolittle Wesley Ellsberry, who feeds the animals, stocks the bar, and hammers out the magick one tag at a time.

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"Humans carry plants and animals all over the globe, thus introducing them to places they could never have reached on their own. That certainly increases biodiversity." - D'OL

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,09:34   

Quote (huwp @ Sep. 27 2008,12:14)
Quote (GCUGreyArea @ Sep. 27 2008,05:04)
Hi there, I'm here now...

Hello, I'm mostly a lurker but I thought I'd say hello, especially as your username is from one of my favourite books.

Welcome. †Just so as you know... they're all very nice here but some of them are, well, a little odd.

Carlsonjok used to have a thing about horses but now does a lot of "har har this is you" type pictures.

Louis and Arden go on an awful lot (and I do mean an awful lot) about each other's mothers but REALLY we all know they've got a thing for each other and ought to get a room.

Afarensis and J-dog both have a thing about cavemen, in fact I have a suspicion that J-dog actually IS a caveman.

One of the Mods is a witch, another seems to be rather fond of the bottle and the third has a beard but likes to wear a red dress - we've seen the pictures.

Zachriel and Reciprocating Bill are very brainy but are as dotty as the rest of them.

We used to have a poster called richardthughes who was very funny and wrote the very best tardologues (although others write quite good ones too). †He went off in a bit of a huff and I for one miss his contributions.

A significant amount of communication appears to be achieved by means of LOLcats (is there nothing they can't do?)

I think that's about it. †There are loads of others here and most of them are a bit dotty too.

Anyway, welcome!

Huwp

None of this is true. Except for the bits that are.

Ignore Huw's bitterness, he's just envious that Arden and I don't include him in the boredom-banter. Oh, and he's a suspect Welshman, which is never a good thing. The Committee for the Persecution of Welsh People is investigating him as we speak.

Never trust a member of any nation that has beaten England at rugby, they do not appreciate just what the "test" part of a test match is testing (manners).

Louis

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GCUGreyArea



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,10:55   

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Well, even if you're not a materialist atheist, ...


I think the main reason I'm not an atheist is that when I sit in a lab watching grossly over simplified simulations of agents slowly evolving I sometimes wonder if, from something else's point of view, our universe is just a gross over simplification of a different reality and we are the simple low dimensional agents slowly evolving. †Of course that doesn't mean I don't know the difference between empirical science and wild theological speculation.

Unfortunately on UD DaveScot prohibits talking about the designer, you are only allowed to talk about the designs. †Now if I were an anthropologist or an archaeologist looking at, lets say, an ancient arrow head, †I don't think I would get into to much trouble with my peers by trying to infer something about the designer or creator of the arrow head.

Of course I do love to speculate and there are lots of what one might call 'non materialist' scenarios we can dream up about the creation of the universe that are the result of a 'creator' but which most of the UD people would probably reject because they don't fit the traditional theological concept of creation. †Here are a couple of my favourites though:

Unintentional creation:

Benevolent version - "Opps I seem to have accidentally created a universe but it looks like some interesting entities might emerge if I keep it going for long enough. †Hmmm, maybe if I just tweak that bit there it might speed things along a bit... Whats that dear? Why have I created another universe? umm, well, err, its all part of this grand plan..."

Non-Benevolant version - "Damn it, another universe, that wasn't what I wanted. †I know, I'll stick it in the shed with all the others..."

Intentional creation:

"Finally I have created the perfect universe, look at its glorious elegance and total sterility... ah, damn it, not again, little fxxxers"

   
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,11:13   

Quote (GCUGreyArea @ Sep. 27 2008,11:55)
Of course I do love to speculate and there are lots of what one might call 'non materialist' scenarios we can dream up about the creation of the universe that are the result of a 'creator' but which most of the UD people would probably reject because they don't fit the traditional theological concept of creation. †Here are a couple of my favourites though:

Unintentional creation:

Benevolent version - "Opps I seem to have accidentally created a universe but it looks like some interesting entities might emerge if I keep it going for long enough. †Hmmm, maybe if I just tweak that bit there it might speed things along a bit... Whats that dear? Why have I created another universe? umm, well, err, its all part of this grand plan..."

Non-Benevolant version - "Damn it, another universe, that wasn't what I wanted. †I know, I'll stick it in the shed with all the others..."

Intentional creation:

"Finally I have created the perfect universe, look at its glorious elegance and total sterility... ah, damn it, not again, little fxxxers"

You comment calls to mind mine here. For context, a discussion on this topic (mostly with Jack Krebs) began here.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Freelurker



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,15:39   

Welcome to you, indeed, GCUGreyArea.

stevestory is the mod who started the Official Uncommonly Dense Discussion Thread and its successor, Uncommonly Dense Thread 2. He can be as funny and insightful as anyone. You'll appreciate this one (it's the one that got me to unlurk here):

mcc: †
"Maybe I knew this at one time, but I've forgotten. What was Dembski's PHD thesis again?"

stevestory:
"It was a Ph.D in economics. His thesis was entitled 'Inefficient Markets in Religious Apologetics: Identifying New Profit Opportunities in Selling Jargon to Morons'"

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Invoking intelligent design in science is like invoking gremlins in engineering. [after Mark Isaak.]
All models are wrong, some models are useful. - George E. P. Box

  
huwp



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,18:22   

Quote (Louis @ Sep. 27 2008,09:34)
None of this is true. Except for the bits that are.

Ignore Huw's bitterness, he's just envious that Arden and I don't include him in the boredom-banter. Oh, and he's a suspect Welshman, which is never a good thing.

I'm not at all bitter but I am Welsh, look you, and I'm simply delighted that you and Arden have found happiness together, albeit in a somewhat twisted way.  But whatever turns you on...

Anyway, after all the recent banninations - and dt simply must have overdosed on cheesy poofs or something - you'd have thought someone would have done a tardologue by now but no.

<sigh><mutter>

  
Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2008,01:03   

Bannination reported over here.

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To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today. - Isaac Asimov

"Grow up, assface" - Joe G., grown up ID spokesperson, Sandwalk, April 2014

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2008,06:43   

"Look, we already knew that ID was ecumenical. Thatís why I'm banning you":

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DaveScot
09/28/2008
11:41 pm

AB

I would have thought, that the term ďDrama QueenĒ, and kindred examples of fashionable internet lingo, would never see the light of day here. I am disappointed.

Drama Queen is fashionable internet lingo? Huh. Iím pretty sure I was using the term before Al Gore invented the internet. Be that as it may I didnít expect to see anyone compare UprightBiped to Stalin or Khomeini. I guess we all have our crosses to bear.

Look, we already knew that ID was ecumenical. Thatís why we call it the big tent. Itís not ďAnything But DarwinismĒ. Itís design detection and itís employed daily by everyone both consciously and unconsciously, formally and informally, to discriminate between the intentional and the unintentional. I think the most insightful thing you said here so far was that you donít seem to be fitting in. I agree. Goodbye.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2008,06:56   

In classic UD fashion, after the bannination BarryA and StephenB, the next two commenters, continue to debate the banned as if he was still among them and able to reply.

Then Dave pulls out the FtK card with this interesting noun construction (my emphasis)
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All I know is classical materialism is dead yet there are hoardes of scientists who think itís still alive and well.


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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
† † † † † † † † † † † † - Pattiann Rogers

   
dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2008,07:03   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Sep. 29 2008,06:56)
In classic UD fashion, after the bannination BarryA and StephenB, the next two commenters, continue to debate the banned as if he was still among them and able to reply.

Then Dave pulls out the FtK card with this interesting noun construction (my emphasis) †  
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All I know is classical materialism is dead yet there are hoardes of scientists who think itís still alive and well.

It's a collective noun. "A hoarde of misers", e.g.

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George



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2008,07:22   

Not to be confused with a "whorde".

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2008,06:31   

A fractional bannination:

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DaveScot
09/30/2008
10:49 pm

TomRiddle is no longer with us.

Larry Fafarman is in timeout, again. I felt bad that I was taking time away from his holocaust denial work on his own blog. He gets irritable when he doesnít get enough Jew-bashing time. I think he probably likes Osama because of Osamaís muslim background and connections.

DaveTard (yes, it's DaveTard again) isn't capable of the abstract thinking required to see that "Jew bashing" and "Muslim bashing" belong to the same class of behaviors, namely bigotry. His underlying racism is also making itself felt vis his "affirmative action child" comments. Hence I am revoking my withdrawal of the "Tard" cognomen he earned by means of his opposition to the Nazi-evolution connection, because in my view all bigotry is equally pernicious.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2008,09:55   

Osama?

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2008,18:41   

DaveTard Photoshops his own work:

Before:
 
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Larry Fafarman is in timeout, again. I felt bad that I was taking time away from his holocaust denial work on his own blog. He gets irritable when he doesnít get enough Jew-bashing time. I think he probably likes Osama because of Osamaís muslim background and connections.

After:
 
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Larry Fafarman is in timeout, again.

Behold the POWER of ridiculative selection (sound of gloved fist crunching).

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2008,16:03   

*kksssht* The Loudspeaker in Ceiling is now active *kkksssht*:

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BDKnight

10/07/2008
10:56 am
Oh my gosh, this is crazy I thought Obama was just a smart respectable guy who loved his country....

[BDKnight is no longer with this forum. --UD Moderation]

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2008,06:39   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 07 2008,17:03)
*kksssht* The Loudspeaker in Ceiling is now active *kkksssht*:

3
BDKnight

10/07/2008
10:56 am
Oh my gosh, this is crazy I thought Obama was just a smart respectable guy who loved his country....

[BDKnight is no longer with this forum. --UD Moderation]

The above now having been completely obliviated.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2008,00:20   

Bury Dave's heart at wounded knee:

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DaveScot
10/11/2008
9:51 pm

Terry Fillups is hasta la bye bye. Please update your bannination lists accordingly.

Shuts off the thread. Knocks some mud off. Wheels it back. Muses: He's nothing if not predictable, and manipulable.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,21:18   

We need only admire Ptaylor's work...

Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 14 2008,20:31)
† †
Quote (Skullboy @ Oct. 14 2008,16:44)
Just to document this before it's gone:

Another doomed UD comment

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Joejoe17

10/14/2008

4:17 pm
Actually, Poeís Law states that religious fundamentalists just cannot be parodied.

Of course on this site, I can see why you offered a slightly modified version of the true Poeís Law.

...and now:
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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2008,09:25   

Some low level hidden obliviation (gone but not forgotten; HT to didymos):

Quote (didymos @ Oct. 19 2008,04:09)
All the politicking is starting to attract detractors:

idnet.com.au:

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idnet.com.au

10/19/2008

12:24 am

If the anti ID crowd needed any further evidence for when they assert that ID is a political movement, they will soon get it from all the US right wing politics so brazenly displayed here.

To be pro ID does not equate with being right or left wing. Letís make that clear in the intro to posts like this one. I know BO has no time for ID and I think that alone is where we should address our points.

Just a view from Australia.


and

acorbit:

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acorbit

10/19/2008

1:02 am

Does this blog actually discuss ID any more? Given all the purely political, anti-Obama/pro-McCain posts recently Iím beginning to wonder.


Enjoy them while they last.


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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2008,13:22   

Also obliviated (ht Oldman):

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 19 2008,13:43)
† †
Quote


YeahÖ

Except it as little to do with the paper ó and/or field of research ó of Lenski (which Iím well aware of, because Iíve read 2 of his papers just today).

DaveScot, maybe you would like to have a close look at Lenskiís workÖ

A voice of sanity in the wilderness over at UD?

Finchy
Go Atticus!


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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
GCUGreyArea



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2008,05:32   

If I knew how I think I might try and put together a UcD mirror site with a Wiki like revision log.  Basically it would capture the posts on UcD at regular intervals and log the edits and deletions so you could go and see all the deleted or re-edited posts in the same way you can look in the history part of a Wikipedia page.

Unfortunately I don't know how to do this, and there is every chance that the UcD crowd would dislike it so much they would try and claim copyright infringement.

Just a thought...

   
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2008,05:35   

Quote (GCUGreyArea @ Oct. 20 2008,05:32)
If I knew how I think I might try and put together a UcD mirror site with a Wiki like revision log. †Basically it would capture the posts on UcD at regular intervals and log the edits and deletions so you could go and see all the deleted or re-edited posts in the same way you can look in the history part of a Wikipedia page.

Unfortunately I don't know how to do this, and there is every chance that the UcD crowd would dislike it so much they would try and claim copyright infringement.

Just a thought...

Something similar used to exist but UD claimed copyright issues and got it closed down. Wes (IIRC) used to run it.

However, they can't claim copyright on what they delete can then? I suspect a greasemonkey script might be able to perform such a role, in browser, with no possible legal consequences (as it's would all be client side) but that level of scripting is a bit beyond me.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2008,11:47   

Strange Days.

The original (HT Jack Krebs):
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No atheist/theist slugfests here
DaveScot

I deleted a recent post by Bill Dembski, another by Gil Dodgen, and another by IDNET that appeared to serve no purpose other than antagonizing atheists. This is not ďserving the ID communityĒ.

Theism and atheism are bound to come up in discussion here but the science (or art if you donít believe itís science) of design detection is not informed by theistic or atheistic belief so these should come up infrequently and when they do, if the conversation becomes disrespectful or proselytizing or antagonistic, the material is going to disappear.

The revision:
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No atheist/theist slugfests here
DaveScot:

I deleted three recent posts that appeared to serve no purpose other than antagonizing atheists. This is not ďserving the ID communityĒ.

Theism and atheism are bound to come up in discussion here but the science (or art if you donít believe itís science) of design detection is not informed by theistic or atheistic belief so these should come up infrequently and when they do, if the conversation becomes disrespectful or proselytizing or antagonistic, the material is going to disappear.

I also continue to expect that comments be about the subject of the article they appear under. Off topic comments are subject to removal.


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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2008,20:38   

That makes my day, and it's been a bad one up to now.

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Pat Robertson

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2008,21:22   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Nov. 16 2008,21:38)
That makes my day, and it's been a bad one up to now.

You've come to the right place. I hereby obliviate all recollection of today's negative events. They've been replaced with pleasant thoughts consistent with your most hopeful self-regard.

(Unfortunately, they have no relationship to reality. Look where you are, man.)

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 17 2008,05:37   

An example of how UD allows comments and then for some reason deletes them again when their own supporters make them look foolish. Crossposted from the UD thread.
Change at UD.


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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 17 2008,06:43   

DaveScot has pissed away:
 
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DaveScot is No Longer With Us
Barry Arrington

DaveScot has resigned his position as UDís primary moderator. We wish him well in his endeavors.

But he is affectionately eulogized in the comments:
 
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In my opinion, you are an extremely intelligent human being. Unfortunately, you suffer from some sort of psychosis....


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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
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