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|My interpretation of Fuller is that he's an academic, and he sees what he's doing as an academic exercise. So how this would play out in the real, political, world isn't so interesting to him. He wants to show how ID an advance as a science. Which is fine, and very funny to see how it's being resisted.|
Then he's even dumber than I thought (despite his nationality). Everybody knows that nobody in the real ID "community" wants to have it "advance as a science". It's a culture war, and a sociologist should know that better than most of the UDiots!
Yeah, this is the bit I don't really understand either. I can only guess that he's stuck too far up his ivory tower.
I haven't read the Fuller stuff, just what you guys have written here. It sounds like he's telling them, you know, real talk about design--did the Incas make this? Is this tire from the Indianapolis factory? Did Bobby have the means to push Louis down those stairs? Is this the result of a CAD bug?--always necessarily involves having some details of a designer in chosing between hypotheses. Something somewhere did something sometime does not a scientific theory make. If that's what he's saying, he's quite right on that point. It's why the loud-and-proud creationists have published 9 issues of their 'research journal' since the Dover decision, and the ID creationists have published zero. Captain Mustard in the dining room with a chainsaw you can argue about. Something in the somewhere with a something is intellectually sterile.
The IDers are objecting strenuously to Fuller because they know they can't start talking about specifics of the designer without admitting this is just creationism. The whole point of ID is to hide the christian god under a pseudonym and try to sneak past the courts. It was a dumb, dumb idea, and it failed.
Given that Fuller is a philosopher/sociologist(?) posting to a tard pit
how many of the tards have any idea of the terms/ideas he is posting about?
I am having trouble following his thoughts and I have a bit of education in what he posts about.
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