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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,03:56   

Tomorrow's ID headlines today!  From the November, 2009 Scientific American:  
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Rethinking the Hobbits of Indonesia

New analyses reveal the mini human species to be even stranger than previously thought and hint that major tenets of human evolution need revision.

Waterloo!  Waterloo!  The idea of evolution is failing and probably won't last until the 21st century!!

Uhm ...

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afarensis



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,07:23   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 22 2009,03:56)
Tomorrow's ID headlines today!  From the November, 2009 Scientific American:  
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Rethinking the Hobbits of Indonesia

New analyses reveal the mini human species to be even stranger than previously thought and hint that major tenets of human evolution need revision.

Waterloo!  Waterloo!  The idea of evolution is failing and probably won't last until the 21st century!!

Uhm ...

pffiittt! That is yesterday's news. If it's the story about them being closer to the australopithecines, or possibly being put in a genus of their own, that is.

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FrankH



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,09:01   

I've been pondering this question.  It would seem the good folks over at UD demand biological pathways back to at least how Oxygen combines with Hydrogen to form Water and they want to see how the electrons line up.  Yet they are coy, wink, wink, nudge, nudge not just on their sexual disorientation but on what the designer is.

Has anyone answered their rhetoric of "Please provide how X did Y, with extreme close ups (pant, pant)", with, "How about you explain how this designer thing works and what designed this designer"?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,10:06   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 21 2009,21:57)
Wow - Gil's man crush gets even stronger:  
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David Berlinski is a rare treasure, a true Homme de la Renaissance (French for a man of the rebirth – how interesting) in an age when very few such people exist. He speaks multiple languages; knows classical music, history, theology, mathematics; and can think and analyze on many levels. This combination of talents is extremely rare, and his willingness defy the powers that be is even more rare.

David knows which questions to ask (questions never asked or even considered by Darwinists), such as, “What would it take to re-engineer a car into a submarine?” This concerns the evolution of a land mammal into a sea-dwelling mammal. A few purported transitional fossils provide no insight into the efficacy of the Darwinian mechanism to account for the relevant engineering requirements.

Last, but not least, David is as eloquent, incisive, clever, iconoclastic, and humorous in person as he is in print.

My (snicker, giggle) bolding.

OMG.  How does a car become a submarine?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,10:16   

Quote (Fross @ Oct. 22 2009,10:06)
   
Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 21 2009,21:57)
Wow - Gil's man crush gets even stronger:        
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David Berlinski is a rare treasure, a true Homme de la Renaissance (French for a man of the rebirth – how interesting) in an age when very few such people exist. He speaks multiple languages; knows classical music, history, theology, mathematics; and can think and analyze on many levels. This combination of talents is extremely rare, and his willingness defy the powers that be is even more rare.

David knows which questions to ask (questions never asked or even considered by Darwinists), such as, “What would it take to re-engineer a car into a submarine?” This concerns the evolution of a land mammal into a sea-dwelling mammal. A few purported transitional fossils provide no insight into the efficacy of the Darwinian mechanism to account for the relevant engineering requirements.

Last, but not least, David is as eloquent, incisive, clever, iconoclastic, and humorous in person as he is in print.

My (snicker, giggle) bolding.

OMG.  How does a car become a submarine?

Why by a series of minor modifications over time of course.

When a mummy car and a daddy car, who love each other very much, do things with exhausts and emissions (details I really don’t want to go into, praise jeebus) they may produce a baby car. Now there is a chance, small mind you, that this baby car will have a periscope, float tanks and a bridge.

Viola! As hom de la Berlinski might say.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,10:25   

Quote (Fross @ Oct. 22 2009,11:06)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 21 2009,21:57)
Wow - Gil's man crush gets even stronger:    
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David Berlinski is a rare treasure, a true Homme de la Renaissance (French for a man of the rebirth – how interesting) in an age when very few such people exist. He speaks multiple languages; knows classical music, history, theology, mathematics; and can think and analyze on many levels. This combination of talents is extremely rare, and his willingness defy the powers that be is even more rare.

David knows which questions to ask (questions never asked or even considered by Darwinists), such as, “What would it take to re-engineer a car into a submarine?” This concerns the evolution of a land mammal into a sea-dwelling mammal. A few purported transitional fossils provide no insight into the efficacy of the Darwinian mechanism to account for the relevant engineering requirements.

Last, but not least, David is as eloquent, incisive, clever, iconoclastic, and humorous in person as he is in print.

My (snicker, giggle) bolding.

OMG.  How does a car become a submarine?

I see, trying to pretend you're not a Darwinist by asking the verboten question.

Actually, Gil re-worded David's question to make it more related to design.  It wasn't "what would it take to re-engineer a car into a submarine", it was actually "what would it take for you to go down in my car".

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,10:38   

Quote (Fross @ Oct. 22 2009,09:06)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 21 2009,21:57)
Wow - Gil's man crush gets even stronger:    
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David Berlinski is a rare treasure, a true Homme de la Renaissance (French for a man of the rebirth – how interesting) in an age when very few such people exist. He speaks multiple languages; knows classical music, history, theology, mathematics; and can think and analyze on many levels. This combination of talents is extremely rare, and his willingness defy the powers that be is even more rare.

David knows which questions to ask (questions never asked or even considered by Darwinists), such as, “What would it take to re-engineer a car into a submarine?” This concerns the evolution of a land mammal into a sea-dwelling mammal. A few purported transitional fossils provide no insight into the efficacy of the Darwinian mechanism to account for the relevant engineering requirements.

Last, but not least, David is as eloquent, incisive, clever, iconoclastic, and humorous in person as he is in print.

My (snicker, giggle) bolding.

OMG.  How does a car become a submarine?

Ask Q - he did that for 007's car. ;)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,10:51   

Quote (Gunthernacus @ Oct. 22 2009,10:25)
I see, trying to pretend you're not a Darwinist by asking the verboten question.

Actually, Gil re-worded David's question to make it more related to design.  It wasn't "what would it take to re-engineer a car into a submarine", it was actually "what would it take for you to go down in my car".

So David can play patriot and paraphrase a oft quoted and well known phrase:

Launch your torpedo and full speed for head!

?????

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,10:58   

Quote (FrankH @ Oct. 22 2009,07:01)
Has anyone answered their rhetoric of "Please provide how X did Y, with extreme close ups (pant, pant)", with, "How about you explain how this designer thing works and what designed this designer"?

Many, many times.  The best example being Dembski refusing to descend to such a "pathetic level of detail" because "ID is not a mechanistic theory".  Basically, they either madly flap their hands about for a bit and then change the subject, or just pretend they didn't notice the question.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,12:35   

Fitting that Gil would worship a guy who "got fired from almost every job I ever had" before becoming a writer.

Judging from the reviews at Amazon, many readers have fired him from that job as well:
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Upon reading the Preface and Introduction I can't believe my eyes. I have seen english comp 101 papers with more clarity than Berlinski... after my brief journey with Berlinski's prose I'm feeling carsick from the yo-yo inebriated turn of phrase...

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An example from the first chapter, while describing Leibnitz: "He has a high forehead, arched cheekbones, wide-set staring eyes, and a large handsome nose; his is the face of a man, I think, who would enjoy mulled wine, poached eggs on buttered toast, a warm fire as the wind rattles the windows of a country castle, a young serving girl bending low over the plates and after dinner saying softly but without real surprise: Why, Herr Leibnitz, really now, bitte!" Who edited this book? They should be fired! ...Its like Mr. Berlinski is writing for the Danielle Steel crowd...

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...Berlinski chooses to shroud this simple theme in page after page of self-important, over-written, pretentious drivel. One of the reviews on the jacket puts this book in the same category as Godel, Escher, Bach - holy smokes! Nothing could be further from the truth. Buy GEB, stay away from this book!

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The author mentions the comment of his high school English teacher who said (I paraphrase from memory here, so the figure may be wrong, but the meaning should be clear): "Mr. Berlinski, once more you took ten pages to say nothing." The comment to some degree applies to the book. I can only assume that the poor editors who tried to cut it down to something reasonable gave up exhausted at the futility of the task.

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This time I picked it up thinking I could finish it because I'm teaching calculus this term. I knew the prose was absurdly flowery, to the point of severe distraction, but I thought I could get some nice images and phrases for my students. But I can't read any more. It's like listening to a Dan Fogelberg song.

Oh, snap!

Unfortunately, for every discerning reader who fires him, Berlinski seems to find an uncommonly dense reader willing to rehire him.  Yet even the positive reviews tend to bemoan his stylistic pretensions and incompetence:
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The text preserves all of Berlinski's extravagant, quirky and sometimes difficult style...

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David Berlinski certainly was not an English major; his book often rambles, he goes on lengthy side trips and his discussions with his editor and agent can be irritating to anyone wanting to understand the subject of his book...

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The style is pretentious, as if the writer was on a great high that only he could appreciate.

This one might as well have been written by Gil:
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I adore Berlinski

Not for the faint-hearted, this is my most favorite math read of all times. It should be, since it's been a difficult companion for more than five years. Nevertheless, the whipsmart Berlinski has an uncanny knack at making math make sexy sense for the nonsensical fraction-challenged. He invites passage into the deeper language that only a few really understand. I adore Berlinski and his book; await the simplicity that's certain to be hiding in the challenge.

This reviewer seems to have pinpointed the source of Berlinski's appeal to the UD types:
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David Berlinkski has done for algorithms what he had previously done for the caluculus; that is, he has taken a bare minimum of technical explaination and buried it in thick, affected, barely readable prose. And as with his calculus book, he is wading into waters where far more skilled writers have gone before. Like the calculus book, this will appeal to readers who don't really want to be troubled by detail, and who like the idea of reading about science without actually having to deal with the difficult notions. It may also appeal to those who don't mind the confusing narrative and who will appreciate the scattershot style and pointless asides.

I have to admit I couldn't finish this book. After numerous attempts I just put it aside. Life's too short to waste on some things.


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,12:48   

Who's the worst writer, then?  Berlinski, Dembski or O'Leary?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,12:56   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 22 2009,12:48)
Who's the worst writer, then?  Berlinski, Dembski or O'Leary?

The ones who really think they are bona fide journalists would be the worst.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,13:02   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 22 2009,12:48)
Who's the worst writer, then?  Berlinski, Dembski or O'Leary?

And (s)he who can answer to this my friend, will earn a Pullitzer, perhaps a Nobel as well!  

The Cliff Notes go like this however -

Berlinski:  The answer is blowing in the wind, and yes, I do so like the masculine muscles beneath your frills and leather.  It is so tres chic, mon ami!

Dembski:  I do not need to answer your pathetic attention to detail, but those of us that are gifted by God damn it , I mean The Designer can easily decipher the code that lets us know all his secrets.

O'Leary:  It was a dark and stormy night, and then, at the corner of Younge and 8th Street, it was decided that the answer it was not in the possibility of answering, but I do know that it was right all along, as written in my book, which you should buy.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,13:34   

Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 22 2009,11:02)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 22 2009,12:48)
Who's the worst writer, then?  Berlinski, Dembski or O'Leary?

And (s)he who can answer to this my friend, will earn a Pullitzer, perhaps a Nobel as well!  

The Cliff Notes go like this however -

Berlinski:  The answer is blowing in the wind, and yes, I do so like the masculine muscles beneath your frills and leather.  It is so tres chic, mon ami!

Dembski:  I do not need to answer your pathetic attention to detail, but those of us that are gifted by God damn it , I mean The Designer can easily decipher the code that lets us know all his secrets.

O'Leary:  It was a dark and stormy night, and then, at the corner of Younge and 8th Street, it was decided that the answer it was not in the possibility of answering, but I do know that it was right all along, as written in my book, which you should buy.

The Denyse O'Leary School of Writing Good Like What I Done also has a poetry department:

Quote (dvunkannon @ Oct. 21 2009,13:27)
 

What BA^77 said:
 
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Wake Me O Lord

Wake me O Lord from this sleep of mine
To the living wonders of creation that are so fine
With a “Oh, that’s nice” I shall not content
NO, only when You speak shall my heart be spent
Others may suffice their cravings of Awe
With an “Oh Well” shrug of the wonders they saw
But I know You are in each piece of reality
Yes, in the wind, the stars, and even the sea
So this vow to You I make
No rest in me my heart will take
Till Your face and hands again I see
In the many waters of reality
For the truth be known to You indeed
That if I see You not with my heart and head
I’m not really born again, but instead am dead



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,13:39   

It was a dark and stormy night, with lots of irreducible complexity out there...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,13:43   

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Wake Me O Lord

Wake me O Lord from this sleep of mine
To the living wonders of creation that are so fine
With a “Oh, that’s nice” I shall not content
NO, only when You speak shall my heart be spent
Others may suffice their cravings of Awe
With an “Oh Well” shrug of the wonders they saw
But I know You are in each piece of reality
Yes, in the wind, the stars, and even the sea
So this vow to You I make
No rest in me my heart will take
Till Your face and hands again I see
In the many waters of reality
For the truth be known to You indeed
That if I see You not with my heart and head
I’m not really born again, but instead am dead


Positively Vogon

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,13:56   

Quote (khan @ Oct. 22 2009,13:43)
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Wake Me O Lord

Wake me O Lord from this sleep of mine
To the living wonders of creation that are so fine
With a “Oh, that’s nice” I shall not content
NO, only when You speak shall my heart be spent
Others may suffice their cravings of Awe
With an “Oh Well” shrug of the wonders they saw
But I know You are in each piece of reality
Yes, in the wind, the stars, and even the sea
So this vow to You I make
No rest in me my heart will take
Till Your face and hands again I see
In the many waters of reality
For the truth be known to You indeed
That if I see You not with my heart and head
I’m not really born again, but instead am dead


Positively Vogon

After re-reading BA's "poetry", I think someone needs to call Homeland Security - this is some scary, threatening  stuff.   Dembski - you still have the phone number, right?

and BTW - Yes, fully worthy to be compared to O'Leary's prose stylings...

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,14:18   

Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 22 2009,13:02)
O'Leary:  It was a dark and stormy night, and then, at the corner of Younge and 8th Street, it was decided that the answer it was not in the possibility of answering, but I do know that it was right all along, as written in my book, which you should buy.

You forgot "Coffee!!", but otherwise accurate.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,14:28   

Sometimes you just have to wonder if there could be a more pathetic collection of talentless morons on the whole interwebs than the bunch of TARDs at UD.

Srsly.

They suck at everything.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,14:42   

Conservapedia?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,14:47   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 22 2009,12:28)
They suck at everything.

Except sucking.  Just ask Gil.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,15:06   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 22 2009,03:56)
Tomorrow's ID headlines today!  From the November, 2009 Scientific American:    
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Rethinking the Hobbits of Indonesia

New analyses reveal the mini human species to be even stranger than previously thought and hint that major tenets of human evolution need revision.

Waterloo!  Waterloo!  The idea of evolution is failing and probably won't last until the 21st century!!

Uhm ...

Tomorrow's ID headlines today: Ida interpreted differently:
 
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Primate fossil 'not an ancestor'
The exceptionally well-preserved fossil primate known as "Ida" is not a missing link as some have claimed, according to an analysis in the journal Nature.
The research is the first independent assessment of the claims made in a scientific paper and a television documentary earlier this year.
Dr Erik Seiffert says that Ida belonged to a group more closely linked to lemurs than to monkeys, apes or us.

Coffee!!! These crazy evolutionists can't agree about anything, the Darwinian edifice is falling, it's like Waterloo and the fall of the Berlin wall and evolution's a Theory In Crisis real soon now sometime.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,15:17   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Oct. 22 2009,14:18)
Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 22 2009,13:02)
O'Leary:  While having coffee, on a dark and stormy night, and I was thinking of having more coffee, and then, at the corner of Younge and 8th Street, known to all as the coffee capital of Toronto, it was decided that the answer it was not in the possibility of answering, but I do know that it was right all along, as written in my book, which you should buy before your next cup of coffee.

You forgot "Coffee!!", but otherwise accurate.

While drinking a hot concoction of scalding hot water poured over soome ground up arabian plant beans ,it occured to me that if I were an IDist, I would tell you that I didn't forget the coffee -  it's mentioned in the quote.  :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,15:23   

Quote (Fross @ Oct. 23 2009,03:06)

OMG.  How does a car become a submarine?

For those that missed it first time around, oleaginous narcissist Homme de la Renaissance Berlinski gives his car-to-submarine analogy here.
In a twofer, he includes the now classic "I stopped at 50,000 changes" line.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,15:52   

He's still working out how to hold a pen properly.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,16:20   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 22 2009,15:23)
 
Quote (Fross @ Oct. 23 2009,03:06)

OMG.  How does a car become a submarine?

For those that missed it first time around, oleaginous narcissist Homme de la Renaissance Berlinski gives his car-to-submarine analogy here.
In a twofer, he includes the now classic the "I stopped at 50,000 changes" line.

Has David Berlinksi ever shown his workings for the "50,000 changes" claim? And why not? Are we to believe that he's said this, which has made him rich and famous, but he hasn't kept the original notes? I think we should start a competition to find the original workings of Berlinksi's "50,000 changes" claim. Winner gets a copy of a Denyse O'Leary book. Runner-up gets two Denyse O'Leary books.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,16:37   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 22 2009,16:52)
He's still working out how to hold a pen properly.

A pen is perfectly designed to be held in the hand, that is how you know it is not a raven.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,16:42   

Absolutist, piling onto the high-frickin-larious beer thread:
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And why is it that dying brain cells never kill your beliefs that keep you from rationally reasoning and scientifically theorizing about women and beer?


and the ETA

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I meant to ask why is it that dying brain cells never kill your beliefs or keep you from rationally reasoning and scientifically theorizing about women and beer?”


Frankly Absolutist, "beliefs that keep you from rationally reasoning" is both funnier and more accurate.

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Reg



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,16:56   

I'm listening to the David Berlinski interview which Gil describes as "one of the best interviews with David I’ve ever heard". Seriously, if this is one of the best then I'd hate to hear Berlinski on an off day. For example, Berlinksi is asked by the host Greg Koukl to define the scientific method (starts at 2:18:30):

 
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BERLINSKI: The scientific method is this thing that looms monstrously large in the textbooks. But when you decode the message that's revealed in the textbook it comes to this: Be careful, look around, don't trust the other fellow, cut the cards, shuffle them a great deal, run a few experiments if you can. If you can't run experiments then do some mathematical calculations, hope for the best. That's the scientic method.

KOUKL: So this idea of this kind of rigid a method of necessary and sufficient conditions...

BERLINSKI: ...powerful tool that only the scientists have... that's... let's be serious about that, there is no such thing as the scientific method. And if there is such a thing as the scientific method it's also the best method of learning golf. The same principles are at work; be careful, see what works, don't make too many mistakes, keep a careful record. Nobody knows how science proceeds and the fact of the matter is that the analysis of science as an institution and science as a body of theories is just as difficult as the analysis of the physical universe itself.


It's incoherent and pompous as well as wrong: "The scientific method is shuffling cards and hoping for the best, there's no such thing as it, but if there was such a thing it would be something different." WTF?

I've wasted enough of my life listening to this. A few minutes earlier Berlinski was saying that religious explanations shouldn't be excluded from biology because science hasn't even managed to reconcile General Relativity with Quantum Mechanics, or to solve the 3 body problem or explain where the universe came from. I kid you not.

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I've wasted enough of my life listening to this. A few minutes earlier Berlinski was saying that religious explanations shouldn't be excluded from biology because science hasn't even managed to reconcile General Relativity with Quantum Mechanics, or to solve the 3 body problem or explain where the universe came from. I kid you not.

Shorn of the verbiage, that's a pretty good summary of ID's rationale.  We don't know everything, therefore Jesus.

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it.
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