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Jason Spaceman



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,01:37   

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Intelligent design scientist denied tenure at Iowa State

Leading proponent of theory targeted by atheists, linked to Taliban, in 2005

Posted: May 12, 2007
6:45 p.m. Eastern

© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

A leading proponent of intelligent design, who was targeted by atheist professors in 2005, has been denied tenure at Iowa State University.

Assistant professor of astronomy and physics Guillermo Gonzalez, co-author of "The Privileged Planet: How Our Place in the Cosmos Is Designed for Discovery," was one of three members of the ISU faculty denied promotion or tenure of the 66 considered during the past academic year, reported the Ames, Iowa, Tribune.

"I was surprised to hear that my tenure was denied at any level, but I was disappointed that the president at the end denied me," Gonzalez said yesterday.

In 2005, three ISU faculty members drafted a statement and petition against intelligent design in the science curriculum that collected 120 signatures.

Claims for intelligent design, said the ISU faculty statement "are premised on (1) the arbitrary selection of features claimed to be engineered by a designer; (2) unverifiable conclusions about the wishes and desires of that designer; and (3) an abandonment by science of methodological naturalism.

"Whether one believes in a creator or not, views regarding a supernatural creator are, by their very nature, claims of religious faith, and so not within the scope or abilities of science. We, therefore, urge all faculty members to uphold the integrity of our university of 'science and technology,' convey to students and the general public the importance of methodological naturalism in science, and reject efforts to portray intelligent design as science."

Similar petitions were published by faculty at the University of Iowa and the University of Northern Iowa.


Read it here.

   
"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,07:12   

Now he can go join Dr Dr Bill at the Podunk Academy of God, or whatever.

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lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,07:28   

Check this out about Baylor's Beckwith leaving the Evangelicals and becoming a catholic (again)

http://www.abpnews.com/2139.article

  
"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,07:45   

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Check this out about Baylor's Beckwith leaving the Evangelicals and becoming a catholic (again)

http://www.abpnews.com/2139.article

Maybe the church will pay to send him to law school.


(snicker)  (giggle)

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,12:32   

Quote (lkeithlu @ May 13 2007,07:28)
Check this out about Baylor's Beckwith leaving the Evangelicals and becoming a catholic (again)

http://www.abpnews.com/2139.article

As an aside, from that same site, has anyone noticed that 'pro-family' seems to mean nothing more than 'anti-gay'?

Yep, fag bashing should solve all the problems of families everywhere.

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Robert O'Brien



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,14:47   

Refusing to grant tenure to Guillermo Gonzalez is clearly ideologically/politically motivated. He has at least 55 publications in his field according to ISI Web of Knowledge, which is more than his most vociferous critics have accomplished.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,15:07   

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Refusing to grant tenure to Guillermo Gonzalez is clearly ideologically/politically motivated.


well, if the university has violated its own tenure rules in rejecting gonzales, surely gonzales can sue them in court.

oh wait, gonzales is not pursuing the matter?

hmm.

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,15:52   

While I'm not expert on Gonzalez's qualifications, my impression is that he should have been given tenure.  

Yes, I know, he doesn't sound very convincing on Privileged Planet, but his other ideas are taken seriously in other fora, and he may be right that the best place to look for really old earth rocks is the moon.

I'd give him some trouble over the Privileged Planet nonsense, of course, as it's all too close to the marvel that the cat has holes in its skin where his eyes happen to be.  It's like the psychics, retrofitting the facts to be their "predictions", marveling that we can scientifically understand the universe, even though it took a good 4 billion + years for life to get to the stage of scientific understanding.

But he does good work, and I can't see denying him tenure over his manifestly politico-religious positions, at least unless I've seen that the latter affects his actual work.  I suppose I'd have to hold my nose to vote tenure for him, yet I think that I would.  Now if someone has evidence that his pseudoscientific notions do affect either his teaching or his work, I'd be likely to change my mind.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,16:03   

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 13 2007,14:47)
Refusing to grant tenure to Guillermo Gonzalez is clearly ideologically/politically motivated.

'Clearly'? So why were the other two professors denied tenure?

Should someone who thinks Noah's Ark carved the Grand Canyon be given tenure at a geology department?

As anyone who's been around academia any length of time can tell you, people have been denied tenure for far less.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,16:57   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 13 2007,16:03)

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'Clearly'?


That's what I wrote.

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So why were the other two professors denied tenure?


Dunno.

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Should someone who thinks Noah's Ark carved the Grand Canyon be given tenure at a geology department?


Possibly, but in any event that is far removed from Guillermo Gonzalez's "cosmological ID."

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As anyone who's been around academia any length of time can tell you, people have been denied tenure for far less.


And people have been granted tenure for far less.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,17:07   

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 13 2007,14:47)
Refusing to grant tenure to Guillermo Gonzalez is clearly ideologically/politically motivated. He has at least 55 publications in his field according to ISI Web of Knowledge, which is more than his most vociferous critics have accomplished.

Alas, universities are under no obligation to provide people with secure pulpit from which to preach their religious opinions.

Let him go to the Texas School of Seminary or whatever, with Dr Dr Bill.

(shrug)

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Robert O'Brien



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,17:10   

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ May 13 2007,17:07)
Alas, universities are under no obligation to provide people with secure pulpit from which to preach their religious opinions.

Let him go to the Texas School of Seminary or whatever, with Dr Dr Bill.

(shrug)

Lenny, where are your 55+ publications in astronomy? Anyway, he did not introduce his avocational cosmological ID ideas into his classroom.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,17:13   

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Lenny, where are your 55+ publications in astronomy?

The same place as yours.  (shrug)

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,17:14   

I think it's long past the time when nutters should be treated like. . .. well . . . like nutters.

I see no reason to give tenure to nutters.

And the nutters can weep about that all they like.

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Robert O'Brien



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,17:23   

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I think it's long past the time when nutters should be treated like. . .. well . . . like nutters.

I am glad you finally came to that realization. When will you start taking lithium bicarbonate?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,17:26   

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 13 2007,17:23)
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ May 13 2007,17:14)
I think it's long past the time when nutters should be treated like. . .. well . . . like nutters.

I am glad you finally came to that realization. When will you start taking lithium bicarbonate?

Wow BobTard you're the funniest thing since..erm...eh...a burning orphanage.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,17:30   

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Wow BobTard you're the funniest thing since..erm...eh...a burning orphanage.

It's a gift.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,17:34   

I don't think Lennie suffers from manic-depressive illness.  Rather, a uni-polar dislike of nutters, but since thats not listed as a mental illness, there's nothing he needs to be on.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,17:44   

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 13 2007,17:30)
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 13 2007,17:26)
Wow BobTard you're the funniest thing since..erm...eh...a burning orphanage.

It's a gift.

I hope you kept the receipt.



*jumps into ROFLcopter to escape the LOLocaust*

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,17:44   

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 13 2007,17:23)
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ May 13 2007,17:14)
I think it's long past the time when nutters should be treated like. . .. well . . . like nutters.

I am glad you finally came to that realization. When will you start taking lithium bicarbonate?

Har har har. That was, well, clever beyond measure, Robert.  Take you a long time to think that one up, did it?

Ya know, my mommy wears combat boots, too.

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lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,19:09   

So, what was the reason he was denied? I thought that universities in general did not make this public, as it can get in the way of a person applying for a tenure track position elsewhere. Do we know for certain it was for his ID work? Tenure is based on many criteria, including scholarship, teaching effectiveness, and service to one's institution and the greater community.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,19:15   

The UDers are firing off emails based on the notion Gonzales was denied tenure for supporting ID. It might be true, but it's stupid to assume.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,19:24   

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The UDers are firing off emails

Yeah, THAT will help.  (snicker)  (giggle)

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Cedric Katesby



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,20:40   

"I am glad you finally came to that realization. When will you start taking lithium bicarbonate? "

Wow.  Think of the wit it would take to come up with a comment like that.   :O

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,20:48   

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"I am glad you finally came to that realization. When will you start taking lithium bicarbonate? "

Wow.  Think of the wit it would take to come up with a comment like that.   :O

adn too spell it "right", to!!!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2007,23:23   

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Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 13 2007,17:10)
Lenny, where are your 55+ publications in astronomy?

The same place as yours.  (shrug)

I find it hilarious that a person who's published nothing (Robert) regularly insults anti-ID people for not publishing enough. It takes a certain really profound lack of self-awareness to do that, which is, of course, why Robert does it well.

Sure people are free to support ID and to think that the Grand Canyon is a few thousand years old. And university faculties are free to reject such beliefs as junk science. Universities are not obliged to have affirmative action programs whereby they have to admit people teaching religiously-based 'science' into their faculties.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2007,00:22   

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And people have been granted tenure for far less.


as if you would know.

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Wow.  Think of the wit it would take to come up with a comment like that.   :O


yes, I often refer to him as the witless wonder when he gets going on a posting binge, as he is wont to do from time to time.

and of course, everyone reminds him why he had a tardilicious award named in his honor.

I have yet to see him ever contribute an original thought to any forum.

btw there, bobbo, Lenny HAS actually recently published a book.

...and you?

thought so.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2007,02:24   

{Chemist hand goes up}

Erm, and unless I'm mistaken (which is possible) it is lithium carbonate NOT the bicarbonate (i.e. lithium hydrogen carbonate) which is used for treatment of bipolar disorder.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2007,09:13   

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{Chemist hand goes up}

Erm, and unless I'm mistaken (which is possible) it is lithium carbonate NOT the bicarbonate (i.e. lithium hydrogen carbonate) which is used for treatment of bipolar disorder.

Louis

Now, how exactly would you know that?  ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2007,09:14   

I erm work in the erm pharmaceutical industry. It's not like some sort of secret you know.

Louis

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