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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2008,13:57   

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Me, I'm hoping that they build up a big expectation in the press that they're going to cure cancer or something. The internet didn't exist when all this "creation science" was around. Now they're leaving a virtual paper trail, and good! I say.



It seems curing cancer is aiming pretty low compared to their obvious objective, which is to use the tools of modern day scientific mimicry to prove the existence of God.

By design, it will keep them in business for an eternity.

Now that's a Deep Thought.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2008,15:37   

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GASP! God's a Chinaman! We've been wrong about it being Jesus all along.

Stop spreading confucian among the faithful.

Man who lay woman on ground gets piece on earth.

<Brooklyn Accent>
Hey, if Jesus was a Jew, how come he got a Mexican name?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2008,15:54   

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GASP! God's a Chinaman! We've been wrong about it being Jesus all along.

Further confirmation: the Chinese character for a boat contains the number 8,  just like the ark (a boat) had 8 people.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG101.html

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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2008,16:11   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ June 04 2008,16:54)
Quote (Annyday @ May 17 2008,10:14)
GASP! God's a Chinaman! We've been wrong about it being Jesus all along.

Further confirmation: the Chinese character for a boat contains the number 8,  just like the ark (a boat) had 8 people.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG101.html

Didn't zero already go down that road once?

eh, nevermind.  I don't want to know.

Edited by Lou FCD on June 04 2008,17:12

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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2008,09:03   

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GASP! God's a Chinaman! We've been wrong about it being Jesus all along.

Stop spreading confucian among the faithful.

Man who lay woman on ground gets piece on earth.

<Brooklyn Accent>
Hey, if Jesus was a Jew, how come he got a Mexican name?

He was a Catholic?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,07:48   

Interesting chart from The Denialism Blog showing links from the DI to almost everywhere.  Damn, they have a lot of sticky little fingers.


http://scienceblogs.com/deniali....nst.php

I apologize for co-opting this thread, but I didn't want to go back 20 pages and look for a more applicable DI post.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,13:19   

Sorry to shock you all, but the Biologic Institute has released its latest piece of research.  Or rather Gonzales has written a piece claiming that a new paper shows he was right.

Errr, that's all.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,13:25   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 13 2008,11:19)
Sorry to shock you all, but the Biologic Institute has released its latest piece of research.  Or rather Gonzales has written a piece claiming that a new paper shows he was right.

Errr, that's all.

Biologic Institute research methodology:

1.  Look at legs.
2.  Notice that they are still the right length to reach the ground.
3.  Post drivel on website.
4.  ????
5.  Overthrow materialism!

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,13:27   

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2.  Notice that they are still the right length to reach the ground.


What if the chair the person is sitting on is the wrong height for that person? ;)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,13:30   

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Are these circumstances that allow us to observe the best solar eclipses in the Solar System just a lucky coincidence, or do they point to something larger?


1)  Guess what just fits in my hand (sorta)?
2)  Guess how that is relevant to the rest of this garbage.  Oh yeah.  Intellectual onanism.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,13:42   

A banana?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,13:46   

not only that, but also a wild banana!

FURTHER PROOF OF INTELLIGENT DESIGN

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,14:02   

Something about Gonzales' speculations makes me think annular eclipse - but I can't put my finger on it...

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,14:10   

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2.  Notice that they are still the right length to reach the ground.


What if the chair the person is sitting on is the wrong height for that person? ;)

You missed point 1) which was "look at legs". Chairs have legs.

Unless you're positing some kind of weird rocket chair but we know that can't be real because of Intelligent Falling.

QED.

Louis

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,14:27   

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Chairs have legs.


But can they walk on them? So there!!111!one!!!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,15:09   

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Chairs have legs.


But can they walk on them? So there!!111!one!!!

Depends on what you've been smoking.

Louis

P.S. Dude....hands....looked at them? Etc

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,15:15   

My gosh... this is the chap who the DI moaned about being fired? (which apparently is the same as not getting tenure - hey, I don't make the rules).

He does some research that suggests that by a quirk of mathematics, habitable planets, because of their orbits, are more likely to have the setup for perfect eclipses than uninhabitable ones. This is interesting, and I like it. It's one of those weird mathematical tricks like two people sharing birthdays in a large group.

So he's shown that the fact we have nice eclipses IS NOT SURPRISING OR MAGICAL - in essence, score one for the godless atheist naturalist side.

But then he throws in this utter illogic about eclipses driving scientific discovery. Um, what does that have to do with anything? Archimedes was turned on by bathwater. War has been a highly effective way to advance science. But his whole argument hinges on the suggestion that some intelligence set up the universe and the moon in such an unlikely way as to make science all that much easier for us.

I'm pretty sure I can come up with many, many ways that scientific discovery could be made easier. For one, not having THE DARK AGES. For two, not having people who are trying to bring back THE DARK AGES. For three, how about not having clouds at all, or at least having them move in paths which run around our telescopes? Because I'm one of many people who didn't see the 1999 total solar eclipse BECAUSE OF HUGE CLOUDS. (I went to Cornwall to see it and all).

Like the Explanatory Filter, Gonzales idea relies on being able to go through an infinity of possibilities. In the EF, one has to rule out all natural laws, discovered or not; in the Privileged Planet, one cannot claim that our current position is the best without knowing all possible positions. What if we were in one of those little dwarf galaxies over the Milky Way? The whole Milky Way swirly would fill the sky*. We'd be able to watch stars orbit the central black hole. With an X-ray telescope perhaps we'd detect the streamers and deduce the existence of other quasars easily instead of all that difficult science they had to do.

I suspect Gonzales work is going to be just like Dembski's; sloppy in all the areas where the argument is, rejected by science, but fuel for creationists. Hey, I've already had a creationist give me the eclipse argument.

* Stargate Atlantis shows us what this might be like. Sorry, I just watched the episode with the midway station between the Milky Way and the Pegasus galaxy and it's jawdroppingly pretty.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,15:35   

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* Stargate Atlantis shows us what this might be like. Sorry, I just watched the episode with the midway station between the Milky Way and the Pegasus galaxy and it's jawdroppingly pretty.

Off topic I know, but I'd disagree with "jawdroppingly pretty".  Half-way to M31, it would be four times the apparent size and have four times the brightness it has from Earth - not big or bright enough to see much spiral structure with the naked eye.  The Milky Way would look more or less the same in the opposite direction, and I haven't checked the numbers but the Triangulum spiral would probably be naked-eye as well.  And that would be it.  Nothing else to see without a telescope.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,16:37   

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Are these circumstances that allow us to observe the best solar eclipses in the Solar System just a lucky coincidence, or do they point to something larger?


1)  Guess what just fits in my hand (sorta)?

YOU'RES CAN FIT IN 2 A KITENS' HAND. HOMO.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,16:42   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 13 2008,11:19)
Sorry to shock you all, but the Biologic Institute has released its latest piece of research.  Or rather Gonzales has written a piece claiming that a new paper shows he was right.

This is the new face of ID/C: Vicarious Research.

They don't, like, do any research of their own, but they sure love pointing out how real scientists are inadvertently doing cutting-edge ID research. They like remoras. Or maybe more like, say, liver flukes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,16:54   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 13 2008,14:19)
Sorry to shock you all, but the Biologic Institute has released its latest piece of research.  Or rather Gonzales has written a piece claiming that a new paper shows he was right.

Errr, that's all.

Blogging is essentially all the ID community is capable of.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,17:00   

Quote (Venus Mousetrap @ Aug. 13 2008,15:15)
I suspect Gonzales work is going to be just like Dembski's; sloppy in all the areas where the argument is, rejected by science, but fuel for creationists. Hey, I've already had a creationist give me the eclipse argument.


edit: italic

Such as in:

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   26. Observation of highly complex life and bio/eco system requires a creator.
   a. The size of the sun and moon, while the ratio to earth is hundreds of times distant from earth they are exactly the same size during most eclipses.


from http://www.diduask.com/creation.htm

There is nothing new under the sun, even the moon.  :O

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,17:53   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 13 2008,13:19)
Sorry to shock you all, but the Biologic Institute has released its latest piece of research.  Or rather Gonzales has written a piece claiming that a new paper shows he was right.

Errr, that's all.

Um... thats just from Privileged Planet.  heh 'new'.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,18:34   

Did anyone ever tell him the moon hasn't always been the same distance from earth as it is now?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,18:38   

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Did anyone ever tell him the moon hasn't always been the same distance from earth as it is now?

No prob. When the moon is too far away from the sun to form exact eclipses, that's when the moon will cease to be Designed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,21:09   

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Did anyone ever tell him the moon hasn't always been the same distance from earth as it is now?


Ah, but people weren't here to see it when it was too close for an exact eclipse!!111!eleven!!

(Leastwise, that's roughly what I'd expect one of them to say to that.)

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,21:09   

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Did anyone ever tell him the moon hasn't always been the same distance from earth as it is now?

Yeah, but the moon was designed to be at just the right distance when humans were to be designed.  And the earth-moon system was designed to have the earth's rotation be 365.25 days at just the right time to match the calendar!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2008,21:13   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Aug. 13 2008,21:09)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 13 2008,18:34)
Did anyone ever tell him the moon hasn't always been the same distance from earth as it is now?

Yeah, but the moon was designed to be at just the right distance when humans were to be designed.  And the earth-moon system was designed to have the earth's rotation be 365.25 days at just the right time to match the calendar!

I guess that tells us how many days we have. Just calculate when the moon will cease producing total eclipses and you have the day of reckoning.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,00:54   

Goodness, these eclipse-design people have been looking at the tard side of the moon!

:)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,11:55   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Aug. 13 2008,20:09)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 13 2008,18:34)
Did anyone ever tell him the moon hasn't always been the same distance from earth as it is now?

Yeah, but the moon was designed to be at just the right distance when humans were to be designed.  And the earth-moon system was designed to have the earth's rotation be 365.25 days at just the right time to match the calendar!

Could've they have designed a calender in which the months are all the same length, and equal to a integer number of weeks? :p

Henry

  
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