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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,08:42   

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Discovery Institute Has Put Over $4 Million Towards Scientific and Academic Research into Evolution and Intelligent Design in the Past Decade

Discovery Institute launched the Center for Science and Culture in 1996, recognizing the need for an institutional home for the emerging scientific theory of intelligent design. Even though the nascent theory of intelligent design was already being discussed by individual scientists around the world, it was not until the Center for Science and Culture was established that scientists were given the resources to research what has become the most exciting scientific story since the Big Bang.

The Center provides funding and support for scientists and scholars whose research challenges various aspects of neo-Darwinian theory and develops the scientific theory known as intelligent design. Saturday, October 21st, the Institute will host a ten year anniversary dinner to honor the achievements of the Center for Science & Culture, along with its Fellows and staff.

“In 1996, it was almost impossible to receive funding to do scientific research related to intelligent design,” says Bruce Chapman, President of Discovery Institute. “And, in addition to a lack of funding and resources, it was clear that scientists working on intelligent design were facing more and more persecution and harassment, making it difficult for them to conduct research.”

“So we started the Center, and now, just ten years later, we’ve put over $4 million directly into scientific and scholarly research on intelligent design and evolution.”

In the last ten years the CSC has:

   * Supported research and writing by more than 50 scientists and scholars in the sciences, social sciences and humanities.
   * Supported scientists and philosophers of science working on specific journal articles, monographs, and books in such areas as biology, biochemistry, cosmology, physics, probability theory, philosophy of mind, and philosophy of science.
   * Financially supported a number of scientific and academic conferences, including the International Symposium on the Origins of Animal Body Plans in Chengjiang, China, the Nature of Nature conference at Baylor University, and and intelligent design conference at Yale University.

The dinner is open to the public, and the cost to attend is $100 per person. Anyone interested in attending can register online at the Discovery Institute website at www.discovery.org. For more information, contact event coordinator Annelise Davis at (206) 292-0401 x153.

Posted by Robert Crowther on October 5, 2006 10:26 AM | Permalink
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/10/discovery_institute_has_put_ov.html


and btw, Thoughts From Kansas's response, and some additional info about more ways you can throw Benjamins at these frauds:

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Posted on: October 5, 2006 2:11 PM, by Josh Rosenau

I doubt that the research that produced Nobel prizes in Chemistry and Medicine/Physiology cost $4 million combined. I don't really know for sure, but some of the most fundamental discoveries cost quite little to make.
I point this out only because the DI's "Mr. Suave" aka Rob Crowther, is bragging that the "Discovery Institute Has Put Over $4 Million Towards Scientific and Academic Research into Evolution and Intelligent Design in the Past Decade":
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“In 1996, it was almost impossible to receive funding to do scientific research related to intelligent design,” says Bruce Chapman, President of Discovery Institute.…

“So we started the Center, and now, just ten years later, we’ve put over $4 million directly into scientific and scholarly research on intelligent design and evolution.”
And what did that $4 million buy them? No original research. They still lack a theory of ID, so whether or not you have funding, it remains impossible to actually do research on ID.

Yes, that money has bought them conferences, and has paid for books to be published. But if the NSF spent $4 million on a research program that had as little to show for it as the DI can show for their money, Congress would be holding serious hearings into that mismanagement of funds.

Odd that the DI would be bragging about this.

Incidentally, their recent PR blitz on this point, especially tacked onto an ad for a $100 a plate dinner, suggests that the DI's failures in court and lab are hurting their bottom line. Tack on the recently created "Discovery Society" another effort to extract cash from gullible IDolators, and it's hard to come to any other conclusion.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,08:57   

Reckon it's a good thing these guys didn't sell stock shares in their, uh, business, huh? :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,09:04   

Maybe Chapman is not aware of how research works, but it's not the funds that indicate good science, it's the results.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,09:13   

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Discovery Institute Has Put Over $4 Million Towards Scientific and Academic Research into Evolution and Intelligent Design in the Past Decade

I am confused. I thought ID research was crippled because they couldn't get funds.  Where could I have gotten that idea from?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,09:31   

I think we should take up a collection to send JanieBelle and Corporal Kate to the DI /CSC dinner.  What a hoot that would be!  I'm good for $20.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,09:32   

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Discovery Institute Has Put Over $4 Million Towards Scientific and Academic Research into Evolution and Intelligent Design in the Past Decade

I am confused. I thought ID research was crippled because they couldn't get funds.  Where could I have gotten that idea from?

ID is funded just like real science, and at the same time ID can't get funding. ID produces lots of research but at the same time it's unfair to expect them to produce research. ID researchers are persecuted and harassed, and at the same time they have Darwinism 'on the run'. Darwinists are a mafia of atheist materialists who ruthlessly suppress dissent throughout science, and Darwinism is also 'practically dead'. ID produces all kinds of publications, and at the same time can't get their research published because of persecution by Darwinists. ID has nothing to do with religion, but at the same time it is the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory. IDists believe that the earth is 6,000 years old and that it is 4.5 billion years old. IDists believe that evolution happened, that it never happened, and that it once happened but no longer does.

Oh yes, and we've always been at war with Eurasia.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,09:39   

This is a laff riot, I mean a total knee slapper.

Holy crikey those guys are mentally ill or something and their cultists lap it up.  I bet their little "celebrate success" event is a sell out.

I suppose spending 4 million bucks promoting ID is pretty much all the evidence they need to prove ID really is science.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,09:40   

http://www.talkdesign.org/faqs/hunch/hunch.html

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,09:47   

I wonder if at their little celebration whether they will be bragging about all the goals they have reached that they outlined years ago in their Wedge Strategy.

That would be cool.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,09:48   

Re "ID is...but..."

One more: they believe in an all-powerful designer/God/being who is unable to get natural processes to produce the wanted results. (I suspect that one's kind of at the root of things.)

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,10:07   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 10 2006,14:40)
http://www.talkdesign.org/faqs/hunch/hunch.html

A good one from there:

 
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If a living system looks well designed, it's evidence for ID. If it looks poorly designed, that's just because we have no way of knowing what constitutes good and bad design.


If something is well designed, God, erm, I mean the Disembodied Designer obviously did that. I mean, it's just obvious.

But it's completely invalid to claim that something was poorly designed, since that's claiming to be able to know what God's the DD's motives are. That's theology. We don't do that.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,10:19   

Re "If something is well designed, God, erm, I mean the Disembodied Designer obviously did that. I mean, it's just obvious."

Does that also apply to well designed parasites? ;)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,12:06   

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I think we should take up a collection to send JanieBelle and Corporal Kate to the DI /CSC dinner.  What a hoot that would be!  I'm good for $20.


Janie and Kate would go "all breezy" under their dresses (we guys know this as going commando) and flashing Bill Dembski.

Jonathan Wells would come on to Janie, and Kate would probably whack 'em upside his head.  There might wind up being a naked jello cat fight somewhere along the line.  MorphoDyke Denyse would definitely be targeted with a large raw fish from the kitchen.

DaveScot would wind up being tied to a chair where he'd be videotaped and forced to tell his mama he was a homo.

Then they'd have to kick the girls out. Janie would leave peacefully but it'd take 3-4 security personnel to expel Kate.  She doesn't really take crap from anybody.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,14:28   

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Denyse would definitely be targeted with a large raw fish from the kitchen.


??

I thought Densye WAS a large raw fish from the kitchen.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,16:42   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Oct. 10 2006,14:39)
This is a laff riot, I mean a total knee slapper.

Holy crikey those guys are mentally ill or something and their cultists lap it up.  I bet their little "celebrate success" event is a sell out.

I suppose spending 4 million bucks promoting ID is pretty much all the evidence they need to prove ID really is science.

Well, you know, it's just like Ghandi says:

First your factual claims are soundly refuted and rejected,

Then you are unable to get traction or attention except among religious extremists,

Then a court rules you are barred from public schools,

Then your allies in the media and politics desert you,

Then you win.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,18:12   

Quote (Ichthyic @ Oct. 10 2006,19:28)
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Denyse would definitely be targeted with a large raw fish from the kitchen.


??

I thought Densye WAS a large raw fish from the kitchen.

Ouch.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2006,06:32   

I notice this subject is not getting any air time over on Dembski's cult of conformity network.  

One would think that celebrating all the ID scientific accomplishments brought to you by the Discovery Institute would be something they would rejoice in?

Why isn't Dave Tard bragging about it and where is Sal the Snake when you most expect him?  The silence about this event at UD is eerie...

Color me perplexed!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2009,09:08   

METHINKS IT IS LIKE A CONFESSION

You know how, when put on the spot, the DI tells school boards and legislators that, no, they aren't arguing to have "intelligent design" arguments inserted into the schools? The DI's "Academic Freedom Day" website shows that they really, really haven't been telling the truth.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 10 2009,09:10

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2009,10:24   

Well, the next challenge will probably be to find out what they will call it next.

Let's get started:

-Creationism

--Creation Science

---Intelligent Design

----mmmhhh...Not so Intelligent but more kinda like Apologetic Design, but wait, no, that's not what we said...er...oh...YOU MEANIES!!!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2009,10:46   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Oct. 10 2006,09:31)
I think we should take up a collection to send JanieBelle and Corporal Kate to the DI /CSC dinner.  What a hoot that would be!  I'm good for $20.

Oh, I want to go too!  I'll even dress up.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2009,12:28   

Why does the 'Academic Freedom Day' logo show people  shooting rubber chickens from behind an American flag while Darwin looks on with dismay, armed only with a large, phallic pencil?


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2009,13:15   

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Why does the 'Academic Freedom Day' logo show people  shooting rubber chickens from behind an American flag while Darwin looks on with dismay, armed only with a large, phallic pencil?

And why are there 160 stars on the American Flag?

Is the DI counting our newest states... like Iraq?  Gaza?

I for one would welcome the fair, balanced and open dialogue between, Dembski, Lusin and Muqtadr al Sadr...
as they discuss Allah The Designer.

Now THAT my friends would be a movie worth watching :)

added in edit:  OOOPS!  I have to offer an apology!

It seems Muqtadr LOVES this site, (I think he has a crush on Kristine) and sent me a PM - He says he wants NOTHING to do wit the DI - He strongly stressed that there are some things that even half-crazed mullahs have to draw the line at - and the DI is the line in the sand for the Muq Man.

However, he did say his cousin, Muqtardr , al Sadr is always going on and on about how he sees Allah in camel dung droppings. Even written a couple books, called No Free Camels, and On The Edge Of a Camel.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2009,20:26   

I think the DI is just trying to spoil the party.

You know, Luskin in the punchbowl.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2009,16:32   

This looks interesting: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009....me.html

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The Louisiana Board of Elementary and Secondary Education (BESE) voted unanimously to adopt rules today implementing the Louisiana Science Education Act (LSEA), the landmark academic freedom bill passed last summer.

The rules approved by the BESE effectuate the academic freedom bill’s purpose to allow teachers to use supplementary materials to teach controversial scientific theories without threat of recrimination.

A subcommittee of the Board removed a provision prohibiting intelligent design before passing the rules unanimously. The legally redundant provision would have gone beyond the intent of the legislation and was dropped after the subcommittee heard testimony from supporters and opponents of the language.

In adopting these rules, the BESE reiterated its support for academic freedom for teachers to teach controversial scientific theories.

According to Discovery Institute education policy analyst Casey Luskin, “This is another victory for Louisiana students and teachers to have a climate of academic freedom to learn about scientific controversies over evolution and other topics in the curriculum.”


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2009,17:07   

Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ Jan. 15 2009,16:32)
This looks interesting: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009....me.html

 
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The Louisiana Board of Elementary and Secondary Education (BESE) voted unanimously to adopt rules today implementing the Louisiana Science Education Act (LSEA), the landmark academic freedom bill passed last summer.

The rules approved by the BESE effectuate the academic freedom bill’s purpose to allow teachers to use supplementary materials to teach controversial scientific theories without threat of recrimination.

A subcommittee of the Board removed a provision prohibiting intelligent design before passing the rules unanimously. The legally redundant provision would have gone beyond the intent of the legislation and was dropped after the subcommittee heard testimony from supporters and opponents of the language.

In adopting these rules, the BESE reiterated its support for academic freedom for teachers to teach controversial scientific theories.

According to Discovery Institute education policy analyst Casey Luskin, “This is another victory for Louisiana students and teachers to have a climate of academic freedom to learn about scientific controversies over evolution and other topics in the curriculum.”

So the state board used this as an occasion to remove a restriction that the state board rules previously held against teaching intelligent design.

Am I reading this right?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2009,17:26   

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So the state board used this as an occasion to remove a restriction that the state board rules previously held against teaching intelligent design.

Am I reading this right?

That is how it reads to me.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2009,14:39   

Behe has kicked Miller's ass

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/01/behes_take_miller_vs_luskin.html

Miller will never recognize his own failure, since he's too proud (dogmatic).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,00:08   

Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Jan. 16 2009,12:39)
Behe has Licked Miller's ass and fucked Luskin.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/01/behe_takes_ass_luskin

Fixed it for you.

Edited by Dr.GH on Jan. 16 2009,22:09

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,02:11   

Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Jan. 16 2009,14:39)
Behe has kicked Miller's ass

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/01/behes_take_miller_vs_luskin.html

Miller will never recognize his own failure, since he's too proud (dogmatic).

Nils

If you knew just a little science you would have realised that Behe was sorted out by Miller 10 years ago. To claim this is nonsense .

I read Behe in 1996 and soon realised it was bs especially over bloodclotting . It was nice to read Miller later!!

Gary's comment is apt.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,03:15   

Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Jan. 16 2009,14:39)
Behe has kicked Miller's ass

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/01/behes_take_miller_vs_luskin.html

Miller will never recognize his own failure, since he's too proud (dogmatic).

Short take on Behe's second response: "Scientists' results are suggestive, tentative. But even if true, it would still require design. I win!"

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