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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,16:22   

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Whose revelation is true when you have multiple contradictory ones?

The one who is left standing after they've shot each other?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,16:50   

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Whose revelation is true when you have multiple contradictory ones?

The one who is left standing after they've shot each other?

No, whoever 404s the webpage first!

Everything about Revelations I learned from UD! :p

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,16:57   

Quote (Kristine @ June 28 2011,22:50)
Everything about Revelations I learned from UD! :p

So is the Whore of B. . . .



Sorry. I can't.

I just can't.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,19:22   

The thread Science is inferior to Revelation contains this juicy tidbit:
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Spacebunny
6/28/11
4:37 PM

for starters let's try the age of the earth- could you please do give me a precise and rigorous date, to the second if you don't mind, none of this about X billion years ago crap - if you don't mind.

The question makes absolutely no sense. The Earth did not form in a fraction of a second. We wouldn't be able to determine its age with that accuracy even if we were present at the Earth's formation.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,20:00   

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The thread Science is inferior to Revelation contains this juicy tidbit:
 
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Spacebunny
6/28/11
4:37 PM

for starters let's try the age of the earth- could you please do give me a precise and rigorous date, to the second if you don't mind, none of this about X billion years ago crap - if you don't mind.

The question makes absolutely no sense. The Earth did not form in a fraction of a second. We wouldn't be able to determine its age with that accuracy even if we were present at the Earth's formation.

Can we be within plus or minus 40,000 days and nights? ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2011,08:37   

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The thread Science is inferior to Revelation contains this juicy tidbit:
 
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Spacebunny
6/28/11
4:37 PM

for starters let's try the age of the earth- could you please do give me a precise and rigorous date, to the second if you don't mind, none of this about X billion years ago crap - if you don't mind.

The question makes absolutely no sense. The Earth did not form in a fraction of a second. We wouldn't be able to determine its age with that accuracy even if we were present at the Earth's formation.

Joe G is Spacebunny?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2011,12:03   

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The thread Science is inferior to Revelation contains this juicy tidbit:
 
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Spacebunny
6/28/11
4:37 PM

for starters let's try the age of the earth- could you please do give me a precise and rigorous date, to the second if you don't mind, none of this about X billion years ago crap - if you don't mind.

The question makes absolutely no sense. The Earth did not form in a fraction of a second. We wouldn't be able to determine its age with that accuracy even if we were present at the Earth's formation.

Joe G is Spacebunny?

That would certainly clear a few things up about Vox.

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2011,11:00   

Vox Teh Math Genius:
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Actually, one of the problems that I occasionally encounter is that if I spend too long analyzing something, it eventually all starts to look completely nonsensical. I thought I had finished a draft of the third inflation video last night, then found myself going back and checking on a few details... and eventually got to the point where even a simple calculation like the difference between nominal and real GDP was beginning to look like an ancient series of glyphs scratched out by the Mad Arab. At one point, I had either proved that inflation cannot, in fact, exist, or that there has not been any economic growth since approximately 1566. Color me skeptical.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2011,12:22   

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Vox Teh Math Genius:
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Actually, one of the problems that I occasionally encounter is that if I spend too long analyzing something, it eventually all starts to look completely nonsensical. I thought I had finished a draft of the third inflation video last night, then found myself going back and checking on a few details... and eventually got to the point where even a simple calculation like the difference between nominal and real GDP was beginning to look like an ancient series of glyphs scratched out by the Mad Arab. At one point, I had either proved that inflation cannot, in fact, exist, or that there has not been any economic growth since approximately 1566. Color me skeptical.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Vox Day must be extremely dangerous, then.  :O

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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2011,18:12   

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Vox Teh Math Genius:
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Actually, one of the problems that I occasionally encounter is that if I spend too long analyzing something, it eventually all starts to look completely nonsensical. I thought I had finished a draft of the third inflation video last night, then found myself going back and checking on a few details... and eventually got to the point where even a simple calculation like the difference between nominal and real GDP was beginning to look like an ancient series of glyphs scratched out by the Mad Arab. At one point, I had either proved that inflation cannot, in fact, exist, or that there has not been any economic growth since approximately 1566. Color me skeptical.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

It's not half so dangerous as a truckload of ignorance.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2011,08:59   

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Vox Teh Math Genius:
 
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Actually, one of the problems that I occasionally encounter is that if I spend too long analyzing something, it eventually all starts to look completely nonsensical. I thought I had finished a draft of the third inflation video last night, then found myself going back and checking on a few details... and eventually got to the point where even a simple calculation like the difference between nominal and real GDP was beginning to look like an ancient series of glyphs scratched out by the Mad Arab. At one point, I had either proved that inflation cannot, in fact, exist, or that there has not been any economic growth since approximately 1566. Color me skeptical.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Vox Day must be extremely dangerous, then.  :O

Oh, he is - have you seen his flaming sword... :p

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2011,09:00   

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Quote (olegt @ July 03 2011,17:00)
Vox Teh Math Genius:
 
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Actually, one of the problems that I occasionally encounter is that if I spend too long analyzing something, it eventually all starts to look completely nonsensical. I thought I had finished a draft of the third inflation video last night, then found myself going back and checking on a few details... and eventually got to the point where even a simple calculation like the difference between nominal and real GDP was beginning to look like an ancient series of glyphs scratched out by the Mad Arab. At one point, I had either proved that inflation cannot, in fact, exist, or that there has not been any economic growth since approximately 1566. Color me skeptical.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

It's not half so dangerous as a truckload of ignorance.

Louis

So, we're still talking about ol' voxie - the Wile E Coyote of Creationists?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2011,12:58   

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It's not half so dangerous as a truckload of ignorance.

Louis

Yeah, just look at the way one of those can stop up the plumbing!

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2011,23:36   

I wonder how sales on his 40 button 'warmouse' are going lately. Wasn't there some issue where the manufacturing was all FUBAR and they had to send out replacements to everyone who had bought one?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2011,23:59   

Here's a recent press release:

http://warmouse.com/pr062810.html

If you go to the original articles from whence the soundbites are lifted, it doesn't seem very well received.

ETA:

Super-Intelligence Vox working hard on designs.


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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2011,07:31   

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I wonder how sales on his 40 button 'warmouse' are going lately. Wasn't there some issue where the manufacturing was all FUBAR and they had to send out replacements to everyone who had bought one?

If I remember correctly, the replacements might have had problems too.  I do remember one of the original customers saying that he was told to hold the mouse correctly to fix the problem.  It was entertaining to read the comments.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2011,08:44   

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Quote (Tom Ames @ July 04 2011,23:36)
I wonder how sales on his 40 button 'warmouse' are going lately. Wasn't there some issue where the manufacturing was all FUBAR and they had to send out replacements to everyone who had bought one?

If I remember correctly, the replacements might have had problems too.  I do remember one of the original customers saying that he was told to hold the mouse correctly to fix the problem.  It was entertaining to read the comments.

Intelligent design, indeed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2011,08:09   

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the ignored:

Hi...hey, I have an interesting book for you to read if you get the time.  I just started it recently, and I think you might get a kick out of it.  Something else you can rail about at least.  

It's titled "If God is Good...Faith in the Midst of Suffering and Evil".   Author is Randy Alcorn

It provides a different perspective...always good to consider both sides of any argument.

Pick it up at the library so you don't have to support the author by paying for it.  

Enjoy.

I know, I'm real late with this reply; I haven't been here for a long time, but FTK, that guy deals with the suffering of life in general, I'm talking about god-ordained homicide.

Again, how a person can call themselves "pro-life" and pretend to be aghast at what Myers said and yet have no problem with god-ordained infanticide is beyond me.

Bottom line:  the doctors who work at, and the women who go to, abortion clinics have every moral right to call you out for the moral hypocrite you are, FtK, and to tell you to go fuck yourself.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2011,08:19   

At least not all christians go for Day's attitude.  Note how depresses she is that Day is supported so much by xian males.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2011,12:19   

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the ignored:

Hi...hey, I have an interesting book for you to read if you get the time.  I just started it recently, and I think you might get a kick out of it.  Something else you can rail about at least.  

It's titled "If God is Good...Faith in the Midst of Suffering and Evil".   Author is Randy Alcorn

It provides a different perspective...always good to consider both sides of any argument.

Pick it up at the library so you don't have to support the author by paying for it.  

Enjoy.

I know, I'm real late with this reply; I haven't been here for a long time, but FTK, that guy deals with the suffering of life in general, I'm talking about god-ordained homicide.

Again, how a person can call themselves "pro-life" and pretend to be aghast at what Myers said and yet have no problem with god-ordained infanticide is beyond me.

Bottom line:  the doctors who work at, and the women who go to, abortion clinics have every moral right to call you out for the moral hypocrite you are, FtK, and to tell you to go fuck yourself.

It always amazes me to no end that people who find the Bible abhorent seem to focus only on the few instances where God commands a city destroyed.

There are so many outstanding examples of living a moral life throughout the Bible.  I've honestly thought back on them sooo many times in my life when similiar things may happen to me that I need to work through.

But, since this is a place where God's word seems to be a thorn in the foot, I'll toss out yet another article that explains why what God command needed to be carried out.  

It seems ridiculous to me that since you believe a few stories are immoral according to what *you* consider might have been occuring at the time, that you dismiss the entire book null and void.  You aren't God, you werent' there, and you have no idea.  

Here's your LINK

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2011,12:37   

I'll also add a link to The Thinking Christian.  I've always enjoyed his blog, and he has several posts covering the topic.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2011,12:40   

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It seems ridiculous to me that since you believe a few stories are immoral according to what *you* consider might have been occuring at the time, that you dismiss the entire book null and void.  You aren't God, you werent' there, and you have no idea.  

The entire book is null and void because it's ridiculous bullshit, sillypants!

And aplogetics are especially retarded.  Yes, let's rationalize the shit out of everything in the Bible so it doesn't seem quite so repugnant to the yokels who believe all that crazy shit might have actually happened and are perhaps doubting the value of adhering to Bronze Age morality as supposedly dictated by a war-mongering deity with a thirst for vengeance and human blood.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2011,12:41   

Quote (Ftk @ Aug. 29 2011,12:19)
Quote (the_ignored @ Aug. 29 2011,08:09)
 
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 23 2011,14:03)
the ignored:

Hi...hey, I have an interesting book for you to read if you get the time.  I just started it recently, and I think you might get a kick out of it.  Something else you can rail about at least.  

It's titled "If God is Good...Faith in the Midst of Suffering and Evil".   Author is Randy Alcorn

It provides a different perspective...always good to consider both sides of any argument.

Pick it up at the library so you don't have to support the author by paying for it.  

Enjoy.

I know, I'm real late with this reply; I haven't been here for a long time, but FTK, that guy deals with the suffering of life in general, I'm talking about god-ordained homicide.

Again, how a person can call themselves "pro-life" and pretend to be aghast at what Myers said and yet have no problem with god-ordained infanticide is beyond me.

Bottom line:  the doctors who work at, and the women who go to, abortion clinics have every moral right to call you out for the moral hypocrite you are, FtK, and to tell you to go fuck yourself.

It always amazes me to no end that people who find the Bible abhorent seem to focus only on the few instances where God commands a city destroyed.

There are so many outstanding examples of living a moral life throughout the Bible.  I've honestly thought back on them sooo many times in my life when similiar things may happen to me that I need to work through.

But, since this is a place where God's word seems to be a thorn in the foot, I'll toss out yet another article that explains why what God command needed to be carried out.  

It seems ridiculous to me that since you believe a few stories are immoral according to what *you* consider might have been occuring at the time, that you dismiss the entire book null and void.  You aren't God, you werent' there, and you have no idea.  

Here's your LINK

Where did I say that it makes the entire bible null and void?  

What those instances do however is show that your god even as portrayed in his own holy book is not a moral being.

Yes, I've read stuff like that posted on that site before...nothing new.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2011,12:53   

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It always amazes me to no end that people who find the Bible abhorent seem to focus only on the few instances where God commands a city destroyed.

There are so many outstanding examples of living a moral life throughout the Bible.  I've honestly thought back on them sooo many times in my life when similiar things may happen to me that I need to work through.

But, since this is a place where God's word seems to be a thorn in the foot, I'll toss out yet another article that explains why what God command needed to be carried out.  

It seems ridiculous to me that since you believe a few stories are immoral according to what *you* consider might have been occuring at the time, that you dismiss the entire book null and void.  You aren't God, you werent' there, and you have no idea.  

Here's your LINK

Thanks for the sig, F.

Shorter LINK:

Why were the cities destroyed?
Collective punishment.  Generally regarded as a crime.

What about children and innocent adults?
Fuck 'em.

Couldn't the children have died painlessly?
No.  Omnipotence?  Feh!

Were the Israelites right to obey God's orders?
Yes, because God's universal moral code is subject to suspension at any time for any reason.

How did the Israelites know it was God's command?
Because he'd told them to commit atrocities before.

Were the Israelites merely justifying their aggression/xenophobia?
Well, yeah, but that's OK because their enemies were bad.

Can the genocide in the OT be used to justify genocide or mass destruction today?
Only if God signs off on it, but humans can't decide on their own that he's done so.  It will always be obvious whether that's the case.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2011,12:54   

From that link that FtK gave me: the guy says that  
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"...only those who had actively demonstrated their integrity could be saved"
.  Uh, how in fuck could a baby "actively demonstrate" integrity?

The hell?  And yet you pretend to care about children when Myers talks about abortion?  At least most abortions are done at a developmental point before they can feel pain.

And here is a true kicker:  
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Why didn't God translate the children into heaven instead of having them die by the sword? Since the children lived in a world affected by sin, they faced its earthly consequences (Rom 5:12-14). Only a few righteous people were translated into heaven, namely Enoch (Gen 5:24, Heb 11:5) and Elijah (2 Ki 2:11). As noted above, since the children had not shown themselves to be righteous, they were not spared the common fate of death.

It's worth noting that being killed with a sword (perhaps beheaded) was at the time one of the quickest ways for the children to die (as opposed to suffocation/strangulation, starvation, disease or being torn apart by wild animals - see Ex 23:28-29).

So again, because the kids were too young to prove their innocence, basically, god just said "fuck em" and to hell with any idea of a merciful "translation" into heaven, just kill them and be done with it.

You stupid, stupid little bint.  Do you have any idea how many god-fucking times I have heard this shit?!

Here's the reality:  Morality evolves over time.  Back then, survival was the name of the game...no gods to help people out.  When groups of people came into conflict over resources or whatnot, they wiped each other out and they couldn't afford to spare the kids.

With the advent of agriculture, trade, formation of communities, etc those kinds of actions became less and less necessary.  So those actions gradually became outlawed.  People could afford to be more generous, more merciful.

Problem:  The same god that was worshiped back then is still worshiped now, at a time when such actions would be abhorred.  So, you people are left trying to justify those barbaric actions while still claiming to hold to our ethical values.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2011,13:07   

Do you know how many times I've heard all of *your* rationalizations for your beliefs?  We all know the score.  You choose to reject an ultimate Creator, I choose to accept.  Amen...that's it.  period.

I offer no more rationalizing or apologetics than all of you do both in regard to religion as well as Darwinian evolution. And, yes, I classify them in the same category in this instance because your "facts" are based on assumption and rationalization.  NOT science.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2011,13:10   

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Do you know how many times I've heard all of *your* rationalizations for your beliefs?  We all know the score.  You choose to reject an ultimate Creator, I choose to accept.  Amen...that's it.  period.

I offer no more rationalizing or apologetics than all of you do both in regard to religion as well as Darwinian evolution. And, yes, I classify them in the same category in this instance because your "facts" are based on assumption and rationalization.  NOT science.

Data not shown.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2011,13:10   

And, why is it so imperative that you name call?  How does that help your argument?  Rant if it truely makes you feel better, but it's senseless.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2011,13:12   

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And, why is it so imperative that you name call?  How does that help your argument?  Rant if it truely makes you feel better, but it's senseless.

I don't often say this, F, but I agree with you here.  Don't get used to it though.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2011,13:15   

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 How does that help your argument?

You don't respond to rational argument. That's been proven over and over.

So if people call you names that's understandable. What else is left? It's not like you don't get to get labeled with whatever label your behavior inspires. You might not like it but it's of your own doing.

Prove you can have a rational argument/discussion. Lets talk about Jellyfish and their fossils.

Then I for one would be happy to retract the first two sentences of this comment.

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