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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,12:13   

Not quite, Steve.  He's claiming credit for hoovers that can estimate the volume of cheesy poof crumbs, and thereby optimise their own performance.

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Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,12:16   

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I went back and read what Davetard said and it's worse than I knew:
 
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The Altenberg 16 are just beginning to realize how vast is the scope of epigenetic information.


He doesn't just think he knows more about epigenetics than a biology grad student, he thinks he knows more about epigenetics than 16 of the world's best biologists. That's not just dense. That's Uncommonly Dense™.

Well, how many of them read hard science fiction and subscribe to have their wives subscribe to Scientific American?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,12:29   

Top Tard from Dave:

 
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I mean really, who gives a flip if whales came from hippos or birds from dinosaurs or what have you. Ancient history. Interesting in a academic way but otherwise useless. Why waste the talent on impractical things when we have so much to do in more productive areas of research?


I know the answer to this - it's the trophy wives and mountains of cash isn't it? C'mon scientists you can tell me.

My first post in the new thread, feels...about the same.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,12:40   

Quote (Bob O'H @ July 22 2008,12:13)
Not quite, Steve.  He's claiming credit for hoovers that can estimate the volume of cheesy poof crumbs, and thereby optimise their own performance.

How are you not on his shit-list, Bob?  :D

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,12:49   

Quote (themartu @ July 22 2008,13:29)
Top Tard from Dave:

   
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Why waste the talent on impractical things when we have so much to do in more productive areas of research?

Yes, Dave, let's focus on the more productive areas of research. Great idea. Here's the productivity of the journal Evolution this month:

 
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Current Issue
Volume 62 Issue 7 (July 2008)

ORIGINAL ARTICLES

DEFINED ORDER OF EVOLUTIONARY ADAPTATIONS: EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE (p 1547-1554)
Erez Oxman, Uri Alon, Erez Dekel
Published Online: Apr 11 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00397.x

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NATURAL SELECTION ALONG AN ENVIRONMENTAL GRADIENT: A CLASSIC CLINE IN MOUSE PIGMENTATION (p 1555-1570)
Lynne M. Mullen, Hopi E. Hoekstra
Published Online: May 16 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00425.x

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DETERMINANTS OF THE STRENGTH OF DISRUPTIVE AND/OR DIVERGENT SELECTION ARISING FROM RESOURCE COMPETITION (p 1571-1586)
Peter A. Abrams, Claus Rueffler, Gary Kim
Published Online: Mar 26 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00385.x

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CONVERGENCE IN A MECHANICALLY COMPLEX PHENOTYPE: DETECTING STRUCTURAL ADAPTATIONS FOR CRUSHING IN CICHLID FISH (p 1587-1599)
C. Darrin Hulsey, Richard J. Roberts, Angela S. P. Lin, Robert Guldberg, J. Todd Streelman
Published Online: May 2 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00384.x

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FIXATION PROBABILITIES DEPEND ON LIFE HISTORY: FECUNDITY, GENERATION TIME AND SURVIVAL IN A BURST-DEATH MODEL (p 1600-1609)
H.K. Alexander, L.M. Wahl
Published Online: Apr 11 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00396.x

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ANTAGONISTIC, STAGE-SPECIFIC SELECTION ON DEFENSIVE CHEMICAL SEQUESTRATION IN A TOXIC BUTTERFLY (p 1610-1617)
James A. Fordyce, Chris C. Nice
Published Online: Mar 26 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00388.x

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DID TECTONIC ACTIVITY STIMULATE OLIGO–MIOCENE SPECIATION IN THE INDO-WEST PACIFIC? (p 1618-1634)
Suzanne T. Williams, Thomas F. Duda Jr
Published Online: Apr 11 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00399.x

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MECHANISMS OF REPRODUCTIVE ISOLATION BETWEEN AN ANT SPECIES OF HYBRID ORIGIN AND ONE OF ITS PARENTS (p 1635-1643)
Tanja Schwander, Sevan S. Suni, Sara Helms Cahan, Laurent Keller
Published Online: Mar 26 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00387.x

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SEX RATIO DISTORTER REDUCES SPERM COMPETITIVE ABILITY IN AN INSECT (p 1644-1652)
Tom A. R. Price, Amanda J. Bretman, Tomos D. Avent, Rhonda R. Snook, Gregory D. D. Hurst, Nina Wedell
Published Online: Mar 26 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00386.x

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MALE GENETIC QUALITY AND THE INEQUALITY BETWEEN PATERNITY SUCCESS AND FERTILIZATION SUCCESS: CONSEQUENCES FOR STUDIES OF SPERM COMPETITION AND THE EVOLUTION OF POLYANDRY (p 1653-1665)
Francisco García-González
Published Online: Mar 1 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00362.x

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DIRECT AND INDIRECT FITNESS CONSEQUENCES OF FEMALE CHOICE IN A CRUSTACEAN (p 1666-1675)
Rickey D. Cothran
Published Online: Apr 10 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00403.x

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DISASSORTATIVE MATING, SEXUAL SPECIALIZATION, AND THE EVOLUTION OF GENDER DIMORPHISM IN HETERODICHOGAMOUS ACER OPALUS (p 1676-1688)
Gabriela Gleiser, Miguel Verdú, José G. Segarra-Moragues, Santiago C. González-Martínez, John R. Pannell
Published Online: Apr 2 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00394.x

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SOCIALLY ACQUIRED HOST-SPECIFIC MIMICRY AND THE EVOLUTION OF HOST RACES IN HORSFIELD'S BRONZE-CUCKOO CHALCITES BASALIS (p 1689-1699)
Naomi E. Langmore, Golo Maurer, Greg J. Adcock, Rebecca M. Kilner
Published Online: Apr 18 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00405.x

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THE EFFECTS OF MULTIPLE INFECTIONS ON THE EXPRESSION AND EVOLUTION OF VIRULENCE IN A DAPHNIA-ENDOPARASITE SYSTEM (p 1700-1711)
Frida Ben-Ami, Laurence Mouton, Dieter Ebert
Published Online: Apr 2 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00391.x

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IS FLORAL SPECIALIZATION AN EVOLUTIONARY DEAD-END? POLLINATION SYSTEM TRANSITIONS IN RUELLIA (ACANTHACEAE) (p 1712-1737)
Erin A. Tripp, Paul S. Manos
Published Online: Apr 11 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00398.x

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HERITABILITY AND CORRELATION STRUCTURE OF NECTAR AND FLORAL MORPHOLOGY TRAITS IN NICOTIANA ALATA (p 1738-1750)
Rainee L. Kaczorowski, Thomas E. Juenger, Timothy P. Holtsford
Published Online: Apr 10 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00400.x

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NATURAL SELECTION ON FLORAL TRAITS THROUGH MALE AND FEMALE FUNCTION IN WILD POPULATIONS OF THE HETEROSTYLOUS DAFFODIL NARCISSUS TRIANDRUS (p 1751-1763)
Kathryn A. Hodgins, Spencer C. H. Barrett
Published Online: Apr 18 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00404.x

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PHYLOGENETIC ANALYSIS OF THE ECOLOGY AND EVOLUTION OF MAMMALIAN SLEEP (p 1764-1776)
Isabella Capellini, Robert A. Barton, Patrick McNamara, Brian T. Preston, Charles L. Nunn
Published Online: Apr 2 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00392.x

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ONE FIG TO BIND THEM ALL: HOST CONSERVATISM IN A FIG WASP COMMUNITY UNRAVELED BY COSPECIATION ANALYSES AMONG POLLINATING AND NONPOLLINATING FIG WASPS (p 1777-1797)
Emmanuelle Jousselin, Simon van Noort, Vincent Berry, Jean-Yves Rasplus, Nina Rønsted, J. Christoff Erasmus, Jaco M. Greeff
Published Online: Apr 18 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00406.x

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BRIEF COMMUNICATIONS

A RARE MODEL LIMITS THE DISTRIBUTION OF ITS MORE COMMON MIMIC: A TWIST ON FREQUENCY-DEPENDENT BATESIAN MIMICRY (p 1798-1803)
Leslie Ries, Sean P. Mullen
Published Online: Apr 10 2008 12:00AM
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SEXUAL SELECTION AND INTERACTING PHENOTYPES IN EXPERIMENTAL EVOLUTION: A STUDY OF DROSOPHILA PSEUDOOBSCURA MATING BEHAVIOR (p 1804-1812)
Leonardo D. Bacigalupe, Helen S. Crudgington, Jon Slate, Allen J. Moore, Rhonda R. Snook
Published Online: Apr 10 2008 12:00AM
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BOOK REVIEW

THE SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME?1 (p 1813-1815)
Richard G. Harrison
Published Online: Mar 26 2008 12:00AM
DOI: 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00383.x

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And here's the productivity of the Intelligent Design Journal this whole year:

 
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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,12:56   

hey, my phd advisor has a paper in that issue!  Go science.

in other news, still waiting on the ID scientific revolution.

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,12:57   

Let's complete the sentence:
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I mean really, who gives a flip if whales came from hippos or birds from dinosaurs or what have you...

...or if they were intelligently designed.

Hmm, Rich, I see what you mean.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,13:00   

If Dave doesn't give a flip whether animals evolved, he is the only person in the ID movement who feels that way. All the ID claims boil down to "This stuff is complicated and couldn't have evolved."

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,13:10   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ July 22 2008,10:56)
hey, my phd advisor has a paper in that issue!  Go science.

"Rhonda R. Snook", I hope?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,13:22   

Quote (themartu @ July 22 2008,12:29)
Top Tard from Dave:

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I mean really, who gives a flip if whales came from hippos or birds from dinosaurs or what have you. Ancient history. Interesting in a academic way but otherwise useless. Why waste the talent on impractical things when we have so much to do in more productive areas of research?

With the interest DaveScot has shown in J. Craig Venter, let's ask Craig to elaborate on his previous comment.

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Venter: ... it's critical because it shows that we're part of this entire genetic repertoire on this planet. We didn't evolve separately from everything else, we evolved through this effort of billions and billions of years working back from single cell organisms to more and more complex organisms. We have the same genes as in the bacteria. The enzymes that correct defects, the genetic code from radiation damage, UV damage in a bacteria, are the same ones that are related to cancer in humans. Those processes are highly conserved. So in fact the best hope for understanding human biology and medicine is that we can use the genomes, the sequences from other species, to understand the human ones.

So in the hope of curing cancer, Venter looks to the evolutionary kinship between organisms as diverse as bacteria and humans, organisms that diverged a billion years or more ago.

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DaveScot: Ancient history.


The past is not dead. In fact, it's not even past. -- William Faulkner

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,13:27   

DaveScot’s magical mushroom mystery tour brought back a fond memory. I went on a hike in the Massachusetts woods with Dennis Magee, the author of this tome.  (And, he added, apropos nothing--yet somehow apropos everything, a devout Christian and member of my church--well not my church, but you know what I mean.) If you must be lost in the woods, this is a guy you want to be with. He would suddenly stop, start digging, uncover some roots and shoots and say “here, try these, they’re delicious.” Eventually I even stopped waiting for him to try them first.

Edited to add a missing period.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,13:42   

Quote (dheddle @ July 22 2008,13:27)
DaveScot’s magical mushroom mystery tour brought back a fond memory. I went on a hike in the Massachusetts woods with Dennis Magee, the author of this tome.  (And, he added, apropos nothing--yet somehow apropos everything, a devout Christian and member of my church--well not my church, but you know what I mean.) If you must be lost in the woods, this is a guy you want to be with. He would suddenly stop, start digging, uncover some roots and shoots and say “here, try these, they’re delicious.” Eventually I even stopped waiting for him to try them first.

Edited to add a missing period.

I'd just like to point out that my fundy friend bingo sheet is nearly complete. Dave was obviously a coup (let's do beers, Dave!) but now my architect is a Zoroastrian.

Nom nom non-denominational hug, everyone!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,15:12   

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 22 2008,13:42)
   
Quote (dheddle @ July 22 2008,13:27)
DaveScot’s magical mushroom mystery tour brought back a fond memory. I went on a hike in the Massachusetts woods with Dennis Magee, the author of this tome.  (And, he added, apropos nothing--yet somehow apropos everything, a devout Christian and member of my church--well not my church, but you know what I mean.) If you must be lost in the woods, this is a guy you want to be with. He would suddenly stop, start digging, uncover some roots and shoots and say “here, try these, they’re delicious.” Eventually I even stopped waiting for him to try them first.

Edited to add a missing period.

I'd just like to point out that my fundy friend bingo sheet is nearly complete. Dave was obviously a coup (let's do beers, Dave!) but now my architect is a Zoroastrian.

Nom nom non-denominational hug, everyone!


I like BINGO too, but this card is a loser!





Edited by Lou FCD on July 22 2008,18:44

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,15:18   

Quote (dheddle @ July 22 2008,15:12)
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 22 2008,13:42)
   
Quote (dheddle @ July 22 2008,13:27)
DaveScot’s magical mushroom mystery tour brought back a fond memory. I went on a hike in the Massachusetts woods with Dennis Magee, the author of this tome.  (And, he added, apropos nothing--yet somehow apropos everything, a devout Christian and member of my church--well not my church, but you know what I mean.) If you must be lost in the woods, this is a guy you want to be with. He would suddenly stop, start digging, uncover some roots and shoots and say “here, try these, they’re delicious.” Eventually I even stopped waiting for him to try them first.

Edited to add a missing period.

I'd just like to point out that my fundy friend bingo sheet is nearly complete. Dave was obviously a coup (let's do beers, Dave!) but now my architect is a Zoroastrian.

Nom nom non-denominational hug, everyone!


I like BINGO too, but this card is a loser!


POTW.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,15:24   

Seconded.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,15:34   

A masterpiece.



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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,18:12   

davetard is a bloomin' idiot.
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This is off topic. Specifically botany and mycology. I thought some readers might find it of interest.


three cheers for honesty.  biology is off topic at UD.

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I’m vacationing for the summer up north, it’s been wet and warm, perfect for mushrooms so this morning my daughter and I went walking through some woods and fields looking for mushrooms. I really wanted to get a sack of table mushrooms (Agaricus bisporus; button mushroom; portobello) to cook up. All I found in that regard was one lonely old portobello long past its prime. We found lots of boletes, amanitas, lbm’s (little brown mushrooms), death caps, and one odd thing that was sort of mushroom shaped, lumpy, light violet, but no gills I could discern. Disappointingly, no puffballs.


of course he would be up north.  i have to spit when i say that.

i prefer A campestris but perhaps that is a synonym or something.  Anyway, boletes (edible species of course) are mucho mas deliciosas than ratty old Agaricus.  And certainly more than puffballs, unless by that he means the large puffball.  That one is good, breaded and deepfried appropriately, of course.

Score, Davetard 2 points for knowing something, anything at all, about some organism.

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We did find something fairly rare though that I’d seen once before but didn’t know what it was.


I love his inability to stop preening and macho grandstanding, just for one eensy teensy second.  And by the way, indian pipes are not rare at all.  Of course that is a subjective claim anyway.
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They have “flesh” that seems indistinguishable from mushrooms, no chlorophyl whatsoever, but they also have unmistakable leaves, petals, pistils, and stamens so I knew they had to be a plant.


Now, my question is did he do this using the Explanatory Filter?  If not, why?  If so, please show me the math.  
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except for the obvious plant parts you’d swear it itself was a fungus.


actually dave, you would.  my paw learnt me 'em thangs way back-a-this, and his paw learnt him.  not even us barefoot toothless barnyard orchestratin' hillbillies ever thunked that was a funjus.  

I have to congratulate this fool for actually hinting at something remotely biological for once.  As I have a passion for things mycological and edible, DaveyTard, get in touch with me and I'll take you a-mushroomin.  I know you be readin dis suckah.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,01:05   

In ERV's thread on the AIG nuts, Paul Burnett posted on a faith-healing expedition by Dembski on July 3.   http://pandasthumb.org/archive....panels

Apparently Billy went to see one Todd Bentley, a "faith-healer" who currently shears the flock in Florida. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Bentley

Now, I feel sympathy for Dembski's autistic son, and -- to some degree -- for the difficulties this malady has raised in the Dembski household. But why the FUCK would a guy take his kid to go see a person that apparently molested other boys while he himself was a kid in Canada? http://charismamag.com/articles/index.php?id=7032

To top it off, he also claims to have raised 13 people from the dead? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMSGG9W5CNU

I don't give a shit about Bentley's tattoos or his World Wrestling Federation -style revivalist hucksterism, but *the idea that Dembski was so desperate and so fucking stupid as to bother to GO for Bentley's shit is telling,*
particularly when he was apparently already aware of the less-than-credible aspects of Bentley's little act.


Dembski writes about it here: http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=28460

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,02:18   

Slightly off topic, but I haven't heard any mention here yet of the 4 YouTube clips of Dr Dr D and Sean McDowell re their upcoming book. I found them here,  although you can go directly to the first one at YouTube here. Lots of good ID-is-science, praise-the-Lord sorta stuff. Money quote from the first clip - WAD:      
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[I put this quote on all my syllabi] What you believe to be true will control you, whether it is true or not.

The ironing is delicious.
Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere here.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,02:45   

The Dr. Dr., from the first video:  
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If you believe that you're the result of an accidental process of natural history, that we're not intended beings, that there's no God or intelligence behind us, how are you going to find purpose in life except the purpose that you create?  You know?  And then what happens after you're dead?  Well, if you're just an accidental bunch of matter that's come together when you die your matter disintegrates and you go back to what you were before, and there's no you left.

I hate to tell you this, Bill, but there's no Santa Claus either.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,04:16   

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The Dr. Dr., from the first video:    
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If you believe that you're the result of an accidental process of natural history, that we're not intended beings, that there's no God or intelligence behind us, how are you going to find purpose in life except the purpose that you create?  You know?  And then what happens after you're dead?  Well, if you're just an accidental bunch of matter that's come together when you die your matter disintegrates and you go back to what you were before, and there's no you left.

I hate to tell you this, Bill, but there's no Santa Claus either.

If there's no Santa then who strangled my pets when I was a kid?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,04:20   

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deadman_932: I don't give a shit about Bentley's tattoos or his World Wrestling Federation -style revivalist hucksterism, but *the idea that Dembski was so desperate and so fucking stupid as to bother to GO for Bentley's shit is telling,*
particularly when he was apparently already aware of the less-than-credible aspects of Bentley's little act.
Dembski is constitutionally unable to spot a con-man or a faker.  
Which explains a lot.

To his credit, he mentioned the experience on UD here  and he did say he thought this particular faker was probably a faker from the beginning.  Probably the tatoos.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,05:55   

Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ July 23 2008,10:16)
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The Dr. Dr., from the first video:      
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If you believe that you're the result of an accidental process of natural history, that we're not intended beings, that there's no God or intelligence behind us, how are you going to find purpose in life except the purpose that you create?  You know?  And then what happens after you're dead?  Well, if you're just an accidental bunch of matter that's come together when you die your matter disintegrates and you go back to what you were before, and there's no you left.

I hate to tell you this, Bill, but there's no Santa Claus either.

If there's no Santa then who strangled my pets when I was a kid?

{Shyly raises hand}

Ummmm, yeah about that......

Louis

P.S. Sorry for the terrible presents, I realise you wanted Malibu Barbie but the elves ran out and so I had to substitute Aspen Barbie. I hope it didn't traumatise you too much. Anyway, isn't Santa a Lap? And we all know about Laps.....

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,06:27   

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In ERV's thread on the AIG nuts, Paul Burnett posted on a faith-healing expedition by Dembski on July 3.   http://pandasthumb.org/archive....panels

Apparently Billy went to see one Todd Bentley, a "faith-healer" who currently shears the flock in Florida. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Bentley

Now, I feel sympathy for Dembski's autistic son, and -- to some degree -- for the difficulties this malady has raised in the Dembski household....

Some posts on WAD's journey into disillusionment start here.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,07:40   

Quote (Louis @ July 23 2008,05:55)
{Shyly raises hand}

Ummmm, yeah about that......

Louis

P.S. Sorry for the terrible presents, I realise you wanted Malibu Barbie but the elves ran out and so I had to substitute Aspen Barbie. I hope it didn't traumatise you too much. Anyway, isn't Santa a Lap? And we all know about Laps.....


No worries. My childhood made a well-balanced and reasonable individual:


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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,07:45   

Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ July 23 2008,13:40)
Quote (Louis @ July 23 2008,05:55)
{Shyly raises hand}

Ummmm, yeah about that......

Louis

P.S. Sorry for the terrible presents, I realise you wanted Malibu Barbie but the elves ran out and so I had to substitute Aspen Barbie. I hope it didn't traumatise you too much. Anyway, isn't Santa a Lap? And we all know about Laps.....


No worries. My childhood made a well-balanced and reasonable individual:

Good oh. Glad to have helped.

{sound of frantic rummaging}

Now where did I put that shotgun?

{polite nervous laugh}

Ahahahahahaha

Louis

P.S. Very pretty btw, I like what you've done with your hair.

{Points to the distance}

Good lord, is that Jeffy Dahmer and sweet little Eddie Gein over there?

{Runs other way}

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,07:46   

DaveScot: So their ultimate source of nutrients is a normal green photosynthetic plant but it gets those nutrients second hand by way of a fungus and except for the obvious plant parts you’d swear it itself was a fungus.

My first idea was to wonder how that thing is NOT a transitional in the creationist mindset. They've been asking for a half-cat half-dog or half-frog half-fish for ages.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,07:47   

Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ July 23 2008,07:40)
Quote (Louis @ July 23 2008,05:55)
{Shyly raises hand}

Ummmm, yeah about that......

Louis

P.S. Sorry for the terrible presents, I realise you wanted Malibu Barbie but the elves ran out and so I had to substitute Aspen Barbie. I hope it didn't traumatise you too much. Anyway, isn't Santa a Lap? And we all know about Laps.....


No worries. My childhood made a well-balanced and reasonable individual:

That looks like Blipey getting ready to visit DaveScot!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,07:56   

Louis wrote:

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sweet little Eddie Gein over there?


FYI, "crazy ol' Eddie" lived about 2 1/2 hours east of where I am right now.  To this day, dropping his name within earshot of many Wisconsinites (/cheeseheads) will result a major conversational black hole.

Just so's ya know.    :)    :)   :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,08:16   

Quote (jeffox @ July 23 2008,13:56)
Louis wrote:

 
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sweet little Eddie Gein over there?


FYI, "crazy ol' Eddie" lived about 2 1/2 hours east of where I am right now.  To this day, dropping his name within earshot of many Wisconsinites (/cheeseheads) will result a major conversational black hole.

Just so's ya know.    :)    :)   :)

I can't understand why, he was such a quiet, nice man.

I understand he was very attatched to his mother.....

Louis

ETA: Note to self: Halt progress on Wisconsin chapter of the Ed Gein Appreciation Club.

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