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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2011,20:31   

Chunky wanted to make the peculiar claim that there is no such animal as mainstream evolutionary biology.

Ultimately, Angryoldfatman made my contrary point for me, apparently unawares:
     
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An UNorthodox evolutionary framework would be something like Intelligent Design or Morphogenic Fields. These do not fit in the Theory of Evolution as the term is currently understood.

No kidding. And relative to these alternatives (and Baraminology and Front Loading, two further hopeful guesses earnestly discussed upthread) the paper in question fits neatly within the framework of contemporary evolutionary theory, and utilizes that theory to understand its findings, Chunkdz's concrete exertions notwithstanding.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2011,22:05   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 05 2011,20:31)
Chunky wanted to make the peculiar claim that there is no such animal as mainstream evolutionary biology.

Ultimately, Angryoldfatman made my contrary point for me, apparently unawares:
       
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An UNorthodox evolutionary framework would be something like Intelligent Design or Morphogenic Fields. These do not fit in the Theory of Evolution as the term is currently understood.

No kidding. And relative to these alternatives (and Baraminology and Front Loading, two further hopeful guesses earnestly discussed upthread) the paper in question fits neatly within the framework of contemporary evolutionary theory, and utilizes that theory to understand its findings, Chunkdz's concrete exertions notwithstanding.

You know, someone should tell Chunky that there are products now that will make his exertions less concrete.



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,11:39   

What is funny* is that, while they all jumped into Bilbo's thread about "Why we need critics" to say "No we don't"; they can't wait to gang up and shout down any new critic that appears.  They ignore any possible ID "debate" that might be had amongst themselves.  See poor Techne as an example in the blind cave fish thread.  He is mentioned by numbdumbass in the OP, and he posts an interesting* comment:            
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From a teleological perspective this study just again confirms the presence of intrinsic finality/natural ends/natural inclinations or intrinsic natural ends/inclinations in nature, this time specifically related to the intrinsic finality of genomes naturally inclined to produce eyes and sight. While they have the potential to produce eyes and sight, this might not be always actualized, but sometimes when it is, it might be functionally relevant to the fitness of the organism.

None of the IDers take notice - they are too busy challenging posts from people whose opinions they don't value.  Maybe after the pounding of the ban hammer has subsided, they will get around to some serious ID discussion.


* Funny/interesting here meaning typical ID dumbfuckery.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,12:09   

whats there to discuss, they just compete for the wooowiest reformwoolation of the same telic horseshit

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shit gots an "inclination" to stank and be all sticky and shit when you fall back in that shit


please explain how you could test that.  or, please explain how that is different from actualizing the potentialities of cave fish eyeballs, or why the fucking designer picked Key Cave for the Speoplatyrhinus and not any of the neighboring ones?

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,15:49   

Sometimes the eyes have it, and sometimes they don't?

  
olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,19:30   

It's highly amusing to watch how a bunch of amateurs are trying to pick apart evolutionary biology. Nullasalus can't seem to wrap his brain around the idea that a scientific law formulated more than 100 years ago might not be absolute:
 
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I think one problem I'm having here comes down to this: We have 'Dollo's law', and then we have 'people who interpret Dollo's law'. When conflicts are found to the 'law' as plainly stated, they get treated either as contradictions (Dollo's law doesn't hold here, violation found) or as exceptions (Dollo's law was never meant to hold here, no violations found.)

Someone should inform him that real gases disobey the Boyle-Mariotte law.

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,19:36   

KC and Nick,

You really ought to leave these guys to themselves. They produce lots more hilarity in their natural state. No need to poke.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,22:48   

word up oleg.  dead cats in boxes and shit

the really sad part is that these folks probly think biology does have laws.  or *should* have them.  in that fallacy they are not alone, but they do have better company than their fellow tard travellers

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KCdgw



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,08:27   

Aw, c'mon, Oleg. Admit it--you secretly want to see  how angryoldfatman does it with venn diagrams.

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Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,13:06   

Quote (KCdgw @ Mar. 08 2011,03:27)
Aw, c'mon, Oleg. Admit it--you secretly want to see  how angryoldfatman does it with venn diagrams.

Dave, if you weren't such a big softie, they would have banned you by now.

Srsly, I'm with Oleg. You only give the place an undeserved aura of respectability. It's not as if there are any new commenters. Praps it's for the onlookers!

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,13:41   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 08 2011,13:06)
Quote (KCdgw @ Mar. 08 2011,03:27)
Aw, c'mon, Oleg. Admit it--you secretly want to see  how angryoldfatman does it with venn diagrams.

Dave, if you weren't such a big softie, they would have banned you by now.

Srsly, I'm with Oleg. You only give the place an undeserved aura of respectability. It's not as if there are any new commenters. Praps it's for the onlookers!

They do have a pantheon, you know.

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Thought Provoker



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2011,08:56   

KC,

I don't have an opinion either way on your decision to comment on Telic Thoughts.

However, I did enjoy your bringing up "Darwin being wrong about gemmules".

It is a better example than the one I would have chosen...
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity..."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2011,09:24   

Quote (Thought Provoker @ Mar. 09 2011,16:56)
KC,

I don't have an opinion either way on your decision to comment on Telic Thoughts.

However, I did enjoy your bringing up "Darwin being wrong about gemmules".

It is a better example than the one I would have chosen...
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity..."

Oh I dunno
Lord Kelvin had a nice turn of phrase

"Thus we have the sober scientific certainty that the heavens and earth shall 'wax old as doth a garment,' and that this slow progress must gradually, by natural agencies which we see going on under fixed laws, bring about circumstances in which 'the elements shall melt with fervent heat.' With such views forced upon us by the contemplation of dynamical energy and its laws of transformation of dead matter, dark indeed would be the prospects of the human race if unillumined by that light which reveals 'new heavens and a new earth.'"


But Heaviside takes teh caek wiht Euclid for children is barbarous

As to the need of improvement there can be no question whilst the reign of Euclid continues. My own idea of a useful course is to begin with arithmetic, and then not Euclid but algebra. Next, not Euclid, but practical geometry, solid as well as plane; not demonstration, but to make acquaintance. Then not Euclid, but elementary vectors, conjoined with algebra, and applied to geometry. Addition first; then the scalar product. Elementary calculus should go on simultaneously, and come into vector algebraic geometry after a bit. Euclid might be an extra course for learned men, like Homer. But Euclid for children is barbarous.

He could have said that about the whole ID crowd especially their much vaunted "math" dudes who don't even know what information is. Hint ....it ain't knowledge.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2011,08:58   

Two Shot Tard Monday

1. Before you click through - place your bets. Oleg takes Telic Tards to task for basically being exclusively a bitch and moan fest about critics. He says we should stop engaging them as it may be slowing their research.

Is the response:

a) Oleg is right - to the lab, guys!
b) That's what I mean about critics being all down on us and shit...

http://telicthoughts.com/open-thread-fire-in-the-disco/

How did you do?

2. Another thread - those design 'theorists' are looking for support for a global flood. But they're not creationists!

http://telicthoughts.com/evidence-for-the-flood/#comments

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KCdgw



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2011,09:58   

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Is the response:

a) Oleg is right - to the lab, guys!
b) That's what I mean about critics being all down on us and shit...



I'm suprised they don't hit the lab. After all, they could all hang out in Joe's sate-of-theart basement. Besides, science is easy. Don't need to know all that genetics and stuff. All you need is to be able to spell "epigenetics".

It never fails to amaze me how much these guys think they know about biology.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2011,09:20   

what happens when you give a complete fucking idiot an abacus?

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Salvador T. Cordova Says:
March 11th, 2011 at 2:26 am
One of the best pieces of evidence for a flood is the fossil record.

From
Ohio State Univ

Fossilization
Starts with burying:

The key first step in the process of fossilization is the burying or otherwise entombing of an organism prior to that organism's complete decomposition.

Often this entombment occurs as a corpse is buried under sediment at the bottom of a lake, stream, river, or sea. This may happen, for example, if an organism is swept away in a flood.



But let us consider how long it takes to bury fossils on average if we assume the mainstream view of layers of dirt piling up over millions of years. A reasonable figure for the average rate at which dirt piles up over millions years is taking a representative height of all the layers of dirt involved in the history of life and dividing it by the number of years. If the layers of dirt are 5 miles high ( a reasonable figure, especially in light of the fact the farthes we've ever dug is 14 miles), then the average rate at which dirt accumulated to supposedly create the fossil record is: 0.017 milimeters a year, and 0.017 milimeters a year is 10 times thinner than a sheet of paper!

The calculation is as follows:

5 miles = 8.333333 kilometers = 8333.333 meters = 8,333,333 milimeters.

8,333,333 milimeters/ 500,000,000 years = 0.17 milimeters/ year

So, for a fossil that is 1 meter high, it will take 60,000 years to bury.

The calculation is as follows:

1 meter / (0.17 milimeters/ year)= 60,000 years

Clearly the fossil will likely be decomposed, eaten by scavangers, destroyed, etc. before becoming fossilized if it sits out there for 60,000 years.

One could of course assert that the rate of burial in my calculation is only an average, and that in between there were fast burials, like floods. Fine. I'll accept that there were fast burials like floods.


one could of course assert anything, couldn't they sal?  I assert that you are a fool.  Fortunately, that's more than just an assertion, i've got proof

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2011,20:17   

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olegt,

You do realize that to stop ID all you have to do is produce positive evidence for your side. Yet you don't. I say that is because you can't.


Is Joe-Tard still denying he's ID Guy?

  
blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2011,22:15   

Quote (Woodbine @ Mar. 15 2011,20:17)
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olegt,

You do realize that to stop ID all you have to do is produce positive evidence for your side. Yet you don't. I say that is because you can't.


Is Joe-Tard still denying he's ID Guy?

Is Joe still failing to address how the following two points are related?

1.  Joe claims that ID is not anti-evolution.
2.  Joe claims that only evidence for evolution will discredit ID.

That basement lab must host some wicked cool parties.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2011,22:33   

Salvador sez:    
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...But let us consider how long it takes to bury fossils on average if we assume the mainstream view of layers of dirt piling up over millions of years. A reasonable figure for the average rate at which dirt piles up over millions years is taking a representative height of all the layers of dirt involved in the history of life and dividing it by the number of years...

Congratulations Sal. You've provided justification that, on average, dead bodies don't fossilize.  I'll alert the Nobel committee.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2011,08:19   

Quote (blipey @ Mar. 15 2011,22:15)
Quote (Woodbine @ Mar. 15 2011,20:17)
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olegt,

You do realize that to stop ID all you have to do is produce positive evidence for your side. Yet you don't. I say that is because you can't.


Is Joe-Tard still denying he's ID Guy?

Is Joe still failing to address how the following two points are related?

1.  Joe claims that ID is not anti-evolution.
2.  Joe claims that only evidence for evolution will discredit ID.

That basement lab must host some wicked cool parties.

1- I and many IDists have not only claimed that ID is not anti-evolution, we have supported that claim.

Don't blame us because you are too stupid or too ignorant to understand that.

2- I have never claimed that only evidence for evolution will discredit ID- never. blipey is either very ignorant or just a retarded liar.

Have a good day....

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2011,08:39   

Same old, same old.

"Ima shit out some nonsense and demand that you answer questions about universally accepted science.  If you asswipes don't answer to my satisfaction, it means that my version of reality is true. No, really, it does.  I won't explain how but believe me, I'm right. If you don't agree with me, it's because UR stoopid.  

"P.S., nyah-nyah faggit!"

All science so far.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2011,08:39   

Ah - the chickenshit!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2011,08:58   

Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 16 2011,08:19)
2- I have never claimed that only evidence for evolution will discredit ID- never. blipey is either very ignorant or just a retarded liar.

So, have you scheduled a meet-up for when he is going to be up in your area?   You know, so you can tell him to his face.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2011,16:04   

Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 16 2011,08:19)
 
Quote (blipey @ Mar. 15 2011,22:15)
 
Quote (Woodbine @ Mar. 15 2011,20:17)
   
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olegt,

You do realize that to stop ID all you have to do is produce positive evidence for your side. Yet you don't. I say that is because you can't.


Is Joe-Tard still denying he's ID Guy?

Is Joe still failing to address how the following two points are related?

1.  Joe claims that ID is not anti-evolution.
2.  Joe claims that only evidence for evolution will discredit ID.

That basement lab must host some wicked cool parties.

1- I and many IDists have not only claimed that ID is not anti-evolution, we have supported that claim.

Don't blame us because you are too stupid or too ignorant to understand that.

2- I have never claimed that only evidence for evolution will discredit ID- never. blipey is either very ignorant or just a retarded liar.

Have a good day....

Let's see what a noted expert on JoeG had to say about this:

JoeGallien says:

 
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Why is it you have to attack ID with your ignorance when all it takes to refute ID is to actually step up and support your position with POSITIVE evidence?


That wasn't even a month ago, Frisbee, and you've never said anything new in all the time you've been on the interwebs.

Any comment there, Frisbee Boy?

edited to clean up the messy

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2011,14:11   

telic Thoughts is now interesting / educational, due to this new cat, 'Reciprocating Bill', who is posting there:

http://telicthoughts.com/id-the-....2%80%9d

I can think of lots of problems with dualism.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2011,16:22   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 18 2011,05:11)
telic Thoughts is now interesting / educational, due to this new cat, 'Reciprocating Bill', who is posting there:

http://telicthoughts.com/id-the-....2%80%9d

I can think of lots of problems with dualism.

I like the knot analogy. It would also suit the UD arguments about information existing outside of a medium and having zero weight etc.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2011,05:29   

Quote (MichaelJ @ Mar. 17 2011,11:22)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 18 2011,05:11)
telic Thoughts is now interesting / educational, due to this new cat, 'Reciprocating Bill', who is posting there:

http://telicthoughts.com/id-the-....2%80%9d

I can think of lots of problems with dualism.

I like the knot analogy. It would also suit the UD arguments about information existing outside of a medium and having zero weight etc.

Isn't that a typo. Don't you mean "not-analogy" like analogy with notpology?

Sorry, I had a late night...

I'll get me coat!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2011,06:08   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 17 2011,14:11)
telic Thoughts is now interesting / educational, due to this new cat, 'Reciprocating Bill', who is posting there:

http://telicthoughts.com/id-the-....2%80%9d

I can think of lots of problems with dualism.

Rich, I am surprised you didn't jump all over this comment:

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ID guy Says:
March 17th, 2011 at 9:49 am

How about we are not the same, we are updated forms of our former self.

Comment by ID guy — March 17, 2011 @ 9:49 am


See, ID Guy != Joe G.  ID Guy is an updated version of Joe G.  The update involves being able to comment on sites where Joey has been banned.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2011,08:36   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 18 2011,05:29)
Quote (MichaelJ @ Mar. 17 2011,11:22)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 18 2011,05:11)
telic Thoughts is now interesting / educational, due to this new cat, 'Reciprocating Bill', who is posting there:

http://telicthoughts.com/id-the-....2%80%9d

I can think of lots of problems with dualism.

I like the knot analogy. It would also suit the UD arguments about information existing outside of a medium and having zero weight etc.

Isn't that a typo. Don't you mean "not-analogy" like analogy with notpology?

Sorry, I had a late night...

I'll get me coat!

No - read Bill's (Excellent) post on Buckminster Fuller's knot analogy.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2011,08:55   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 18 2011,03:36)
Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 18 2011,05:29)
Quote (MichaelJ @ Mar. 17 2011,11:22)
   
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 18 2011,05:11)
telic Thoughts is now interesting / educational, due to this new cat, 'Reciprocating Bill', who is posting there:

http://telicthoughts.com/id-the-....2%80%9d

I can think of lots of problems with dualism.

I like the knot analogy. It would also suit the UD arguments about information existing outside of a medium and having zero weight etc.

Isn't that a typo. Don't you mean "not-analogy" like analogy with notpology?

Sorry, I had a late night...

I'll get me coat!

No - read Bill's (Excellent) post on Buckminster Fuller's knot analogy.

I did. Excellent, yes! But not aimed at me. Knot being a dualist I don't knot need no steenking knot-analogy.

  
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