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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2009,08:26   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 23 2009,08:49)
don provan spanks Denial at TT.
 
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   Every book, every paper, written by an ID scientists is a treatise stating basically "Look, here's some evidence that God (oops! I mean "an unnamed designer") may have done this."

   They're stuck at the starting gate.


Of course they're stuck. Their ideas and claims are just exactly as vacuous as we critics keep telling you they are. You are rationalizing why they aren't making progress even though you think they should be, but the truth is that they aren't making progress because they're blowing smoke.

Link

So Daniel, how's that working out for you? Not so good it appears.....

More slaps.

don provan does that articulately, politely and with good faith.  very nice.

CLEARLY he has not read the Denial thread.  Don, are you here?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2009,04:26   

The other shoe finally drops for Denial
 
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Well, the only way to find out for sure is for the ID crowd to drop the debate about origins and attempt to do some real science from their God-centered assumptions. Until that happens, were just guessing.


Let us know. And good to know you admit that you were "just guessing" all along and your statements of "fact" here were simply lies.

Duh

Funny thing is Denial, people could have been doing "real science from their God-centered assumptions" all along, nobody's been stopping them. And they did anyway, the first geologists were working to confirm the biblical account of the global flood. And look what happneed to their assumptions!

Fool.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2009,08:25   

The boy be trippin
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Those of us who regularly traffic in the spiritual realm know that there are spiritual realities of which most of humanity are blissfully unaware. There is good and there is evil. There is a God and there is a devil. That devil opposes God at every turn. This is what he does, and this is what those over whom he holds sway do as well. His influence is obvious (and predictable). They say the devil's greatest feat was convincing the world that he does not exist, but the actions of atheists–and their often baffling alignments with other anti-Christian forces–are a testament to the fact that he does.

http://telicthoughts.com/what-is-science/#comment-239259

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2009,08:42   

I don't think you are following the overwhelming logic here:

The failure of educated people to believe in myths is proof that they are factual.

If the invisible gnomes weren't clouding your brain, you would be able to see them.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2009,09:18   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 21 2009,09:25)
The boy be trippin
 
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Those of us who regularly traffic in the spiritual realm know that there are spiritual realities of which most of humanity are blissfully unaware. There is good and there is evil. There is a God and there is a devil. That devil opposes God at every turn. This is what he does, and this is what those over whom he holds sway do as well. His influence is obvious (and predictable). They say the devil's greatest feat was convincing the world that he does not exist, but the actions of atheists–and their often baffling alignments with other anti-Christian forces–are a testament to the fact that he does.

http://telicthoughts.com/what-is-science/#comment-239259

Daniel as much as fun as it was to point out the errors in your arguments it sounds as if you might have slipped a couple of gears.  Please get checked out ASAP so that we have more tard to go around some day, it would be a shame for all that crazy to go to waste in a round room somewhere down at Bedlam

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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2009,18:13   



All I know about life I learned from LOLCats.*

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*This may or may not be true.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2009,08:25   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,July 21 2009,09:18)
Daniel as much as fun as it was to point out the errors in your arguments it sounds as if you might have slipped a couple of gears.  Please get checked out ASAP so that we have more tard to go around some day, it would be a shame for all that crazy to go to waste in a round room somewhere down at Bedlam

Raevmo agrees:
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But seriously, and no offense intended, you need some professional help, dude.

Heh heh.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2009,21:33   

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But seriously, and no offense intended, you need some professional help, dude.

Heh heh.

It is not my habit to venture into the tard mines. Being cowardly and fearing for my sanity, I am content to feed on those morsels brought to the surface here. However, upon seeing the above, I inferred that a particularly choice nugget must be lurking nearby. Against my better judgment, I was drawn to seek it out. Holding my breath against the foul vapors therein, I descended into those loathsome pits, and lo, what did I behold ? A diabolical gem of tard:
                   
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The forces are already beginning the strategic alignments of disparate God-hating groups. One key element will be conservative Muslims aligned with extreme left-wing radicals and atheists. Such alignments make no sense in the physical world, but they make perfect sense in the spiritual world.

That's right, God-hating groups like conservative Muslims. Makes sense in the spiritual world Daniels psychotic delusion. Seriously dude, get help.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2009,09:24   

Quote (Reed @ July 22 2009,21:33)
 
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But seriously, and no offense intended, you need some professional help, dude.

Heh heh.

It is not my habit to venture into the tard mines. Being cowardly and fearing for my sanity, I am content to feed on those morsels brought to the surface here. However, upon seeing the above, I inferred that a particularly choice nugget must be lurking nearby. Against my better judgment, I was drawn to seek it out. Holding my breath against the foul vapors therein, I descended into those loathsome pits, ...

You walked right into my trap BWAH HAH HAH HAH
 
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...and lo, what did I behold ? A diabolical gem of tard:  
Quote (denial @ tard,pit)
The forces are already beginning the strategic alignments of disparate God-hating groups. One key element will be conservative Muslims aligned with extreme left-wing radicals and atheists. Such alignments make no sense in the physical world, but they make perfect sense in the spiritual world.

That's right, God-hating groups like conservative Muslims. Makes sense in the spiritual world Daniels psychotic delusion. Seriously dude, get help.

Daniel's current get-thee-behind-me-Satan histrionics over on TT shows that he is struggling mightily with his faith. Daniel, just let it go -- if it doesn't come back to you, it never was truly yours.

Daniel is a True Believer.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2009,08:26   

Quote (Reed @ July 22 2009,21:33)
Quote (dogdidit @ July 22 2009,06:25)
                       
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But seriously, and no offense intended, you need some professional help, dude.

Heh heh.

It is not my habit to venture into the tard mines. Being cowardly and fearing for my sanity, I am content to feed on those morsels brought to the surface here. However, upon seeing the above, I inferred that a particularly choice nugget must be lurking nearby. Against my better judgment, I was drawn to seek it out. Holding my breath against the foul vapors therein, I descended into those loathsome pits, and lo, what did I behold ? A diabolical gem of tard:
                     
Quote (denial @ tard,pit)
The forces are already beginning the strategic alignments of disparate God-hating groups. One key element will be conservative Muslims aligned with extreme left-wing radicals and atheists. Such alignments make no sense in the physical world, but they make perfect sense in the spiritual world.

That's right, God-hating groups like conservative Muslims. Makes sense in the spiritual world Daniels psychotic delusion. Seriously dude, get help.

Wow, leave young Daniel to his own devices and all teh crazy comes rushing out like a sewer rupturing.

Atheists will be aligned with "God-hating Mooslim Conservatives." Wow. There's an oxymoron for ya.

Cats will lie with dogs! It'll be bizarro world, up will be down, good will be bad, Big Brother will be Little Sister.

It's the END TIMES, DANIEL, SAVE ME.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2009,09:55   

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All it takes to get started on the proper footing is the superior philosophical position that "all apparently designed things should be considered actually designed until demonstrated otherwise." Or to generalize further, "all apparent things should be consider to be actual, until demonstrated otherwise." This is what humans do by default, and it is superior to the alternative.
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2009,15:24   

Daniel Smith:    
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I'm a simple layman, but I've said in another thread that the designer must have had a way to manipulate molecular structures and I've hypothesized that perhaps it is possible to do this with focused light energy or sound waves.

Or maybe "the designer" had hands?
Or it might have been done with tools and equipment.
There ya go materialists! The designer manipulated molecular structures with light energy or sound waves using tools and equipment!
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ID scientists should be coming up with similar hypotheses and testing them IMO, rather than arguing about origins.

And how would you go about testing that?

ROFL.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2009,16:22   

Cant get much better than that! I just love it! One of my pet subjects! How, just how do he do it? That's the million dollar question. I've been thinking along the line that we have (according to my understanding - but I may, as always, be wrong) something like a law of action and reaction - you cannot manipulate anything without something hitting back at you. Like firing a gun.

It somehow strikes me as absurd that God would be manipulating matter and have his hands getting dirty, so to speak. But wouldn't that make God into something material? I have always thought God was spirit?

But being omnipotent, he might of course turn himself into a team of - scientists - and have a lot of fun and a couple of beers while designing dinosaurs and fruit flies.

I hope Daniel will continue developing his idea into a full-fledged theory.

And hope I don't make a complete fool of myself before he's finished.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2009,19:13   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 11 2009,16:24)
Or maybe "the designer" had hands?
Or it might have been done with tools and equipment.

This has all been worked out to a pathetic level of detail. And it's little hands AND little tweezers:

I. Biological causality reflects the operation of two basic, complimentary units: Thinks and Poofs. A Think is a mind-like, timeless-sizeless representation of a Thing. A Poof is a hand-like manipulation of matter-energy such that the appropriate Thing is physically instantiated. A Think without a Poof is incapable of interacting with matter/energy, is therefore undetectable, and hence remains a somewhat of a theoretical abstraction. Similarly, a Poof can arise IFF informed by at least one Think.

Given sufficient agentic and material resources, Thinks and Poofs give rise to Things. Balanced Think/Poof calculations give rise to testable empirical predictions arising from the combinatorial mathematics of Thing Theory.

II. Thinks and Poofs are initiated by units of pure intelligent agency known as Rodins*. At the current state of theoretical development the Rodin remains a placeholder concept that has yet to be given empirical grounding. It is unclear, for example, whether there is a single Rodin, two Rodins, or countless Rodins and, if there exist more than one Rodin, whether all Rodins give rise to equally efficacious Think/Poofs. It is also unclear whether multiple Rodins stand in cooperative, competitive, or other relationship to one another, whether Rodins borrow Thinks inferred from the Things originated by other Rodins, whether Rodins have degrees of omniscience, and so forth. However, we have every reason to believe that these questions can be given empirical formulation and resolved through an appropriate combination of laboratory and field investigation.

With the above limitations in mind, we may begin to sketch the moving parts of Intelligent Design, grounding it in a calculus of Rodins, Thinks, Poofs, and Things, and indeed begin to explore the operation of entities in any given instance of Intelligent Design.

IV. Intelligent Design may be said to have occurred when a Rodin gives rise to a Think or Thinks, which in turn invoke(s) a Poof or Poofs in order to originate a Thing.

Rodin-initiated Thinks are mind-like, agentic, timeless-sizeless representations. Poofs do the hand-like work of actually arranging matter/energy to conform to the specification of a given Think, giving rise to a Thing. A Rodin may "choose" to formulate a grand system of interlocking Thinks all apiece, yet implement such a Think-Structure imperceptibly over deep time by issuing Poofs only slowly and sequentially. Alternatively, a Think-Structure may give rise to thousands of simultaneous Poofs, yielding an (only apparently) saltational Thing Structure that instantaneously mirrors the underlying Think Structure. Biological Things that display Irreducible Complexity almost certainly issue from the latter sort of process: a single Rodin exerts its intrinsic intentionality to originate a complex biological Think Structure which is intern effected by means of multiple simultaneous, interlocking Poofs.

The reader may find it helpful to imagine countless little hands equipped with little minds - I call them "Behes" - issuing from a Rodin or Rodins, swarming over and grasping bits of matter-energy - say, base pairs in a DNA molecule - and manipulating them with special tweezers to form Irreducibly Complex Biological Things.

V. It should be clear from the above that a calculus of Rodins, Thinks, Poofs and a completed, empirical Thing Theory promises to dissolve some of the knottiest problems in biology today. For example, we may now confidently sketch the origins of life on earth: a Rodin or Rodins originated a complex Think-Structure that gave rise to both simultaneous and sequential Poofs that created the first biological Thing, detonating life on earth. All that remains is to supply the details.  

In the future we hope to infer the properties of agentic Rodin or Rodins themselves, by tracing Think-Poof-Thing pathways much as the electrodynamic properties of elementary particles may be inferred from the ephemeral trails left within a cloud chamber. We anticipate that the biology of the 22nd century will be characterized by Rodin simulations (e.g. of Rodin belief-desire), the computational modeling of Biological Think-Structures, the detection and deconstruction of Poof-efficacy at the Think-Thing interface, the simultaneous, coordinated operation of countless Behes, and eventually a completed Thing Theory. We may also confidently anticipate that a bankrupt Darwinism with truly be a "thing" of the past.

*Sculptor of The Thinker.



Edited by Lou FCD on Oct. 12 2009,22:01

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2009,21:39   

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 | Start |
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| Think up concept |
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| Implement via Poof |
======================
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 | Done |
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As we say in the software industry, the rest is implementation detail.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,05:43   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 11 2009,19:13)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 11 2009,16:24)
Or maybe "the designer" had hands?
Or it might have been done with tools and equipment.

This has all been worked out to a pathetic level of detail. And it's little hands AND little tweezers:

I. Biological causality reflects the operation of two basic, complimentary units: Thinks and Poofs. A Think is a mind-like, timeless-sizeless representation of a Thing. A Poof is a hand-like manipulation of matter-energy such that the appropriate Thing is physically instantiated. A Think without a Poof is incapable of interacting with matter/energy, is therefore undetectable, and hence remains a somewhat of a theoretical abstraction. Similarly, a Poof can arise IFF informed by at least one Think.

Given sufficient agentic and material resources, Thinks and Poofs give rise to Things. Balanced Think/Poof calculations give rise to testable empirical predictions arising from the combinatorial mathematics of Thing Theory.

II. Thinks and Poofs are initiated by units of pure intelligent agency known as Rodins*. At the current state of theoretical development the Rodin remains a placeholder concept that has yet to be given empirical grounding. It is unclear, for example, whether there is a single Rodin, two Rodins, or countless Rodins and, if there exist more than one Rodin, whether all Rodins give rise to equally efficacious Think/Poofs. It is also unclear whether multiple Rodins stand in cooperative, competitive, or other relationship to one another, whether Rodins borrow Thinks inferred from the Things originated by other Rodins, whether Rodins have degrees of omniscience, and so forth. However, we have every reason to believe that these questions can be given empirical formulation and resolved through an appropriate combination of laboratory and field investigation.

With the above limitations in mind, we may begin to sketch the moving parts of Intelligent Design, grounding it in a calculus of Rodins, Thinks, Poofs, and Things, and indeed begin to explore the operation of entities in any given instance of Intelligent Design.

IV. Intelligent Design may be said to have occurred when a Rodin gives rise to a Think or Thinks, which in turn invoke(s) a Poof or Poofs in order to originate a Thing.

Rodin-initiated Thinks are mind-like, agentic, timeless-sizeless representations. Poofs do the hand-like work of actually arranging matter/energy to conform to the specification of a given Think, giving rise to a Thing. A Rodin may "choose" to formulate a grand system of interlocking Thinks all apiece, yet implement such a Think-Structure imperceptibly over deep time by issuing Poofs only slowly and sequentially. Alternatively, a Think-Structure may give rise to thousands of simultaneous Poofs, yielding an (only apparently) saltational Thing Structure that instantaneously mirrors the underlying Think Structure. Biological Things that display Irreducible Complexity almost certainly issue from the latter sort of process: a single Rodin exerts its intrinsic intentionality to originates a complex biological Think Structure which is intern effected by means of multiple simultaneous, interlocking Poofs.

The reader may find it helpful to imagine countless little hands equipped with little minds - I call them "Behes" - issuing from a Rodin or Rodins, swarming over and grasping bits of matter-energy - say, base pairs in a DNA molecule - and manipulating them with special tweezers to form Irreducibly Complex Biological Things.

V. It should be clear from the above that a calculus of Rodins, Thinks, Poofs and a completed, empirical Thing Theory promises to dissolve some of the knottiest problems in biology today. For example, we may now confidently sketch the origins of life on earth: a Rodin or Rodins originated a complex Think-Structure that gave rise to both simultaneous and sequential Poofs that created the first biological Thing, detonating life on earth. All that remains is to supply the details.  

In the future we hope to infer the properties of agentic Rodin or Rodins themselves, by tracing Think-Poof-Thing pathways much as the electrodynamic properties of elementary particles may be inferred from the ephemeral trails left within a cloud chamber. We anticipate that the biology of the 22nd century will be characterized by Rodin simulations (e.g. of Rodin belief-desire), the computational modeling of Biological Think-Structures, the detection and deconstruction of Poof-efficacy at the Think-Thing interface, the simultaneous, coordinated operation of countless Behes, and eventually a completed Thing Theory. We may also confidently anticipate that a bankrupt Darwinism with truly be a "thing" of the past.

*Sculptor of The Thinker.

POTĆ!


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All that remains is to supply the details.  


Why?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,05:47   

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POTĆ!


(Post of the ćon)


Seconded!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,10:18   

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POTĆ!


(Post of the ćon)

Modesty made me decide not to be the first...

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,10:25   

fourthded.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,11:42   

fifthed!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,16:01   

sixthed!

Wait, I can't do that.

Truth be told, "post of the ćon" is about right. I've been recycling that little thing here for a year or so now.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,16:10   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 12 2009,17:01)
sixthed!

Wait, I can't do that.

Truth be told, "post of the ćon" is about right. I've been recycling that little thing here for a year or so now.

well since you said it I'll say I have always loved that stuff.  rodins and whatnot.  the original should be enshrined sommers

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2010,17:33   

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Daniel Smith Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
I think what we have here is just another version of "opposing world views". This time our world views are influencing which conclusion we think the evidence points to.

Wait…

Daniel, ever stop and wonder if your own "world view" influences the conclusions you come to? And have stuck with despite all available evidence? As per this thread?

Daniel, can you think of a way, perhaps a method, to try and guard against that sort of thing?

Think hard....

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2010,18:37   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Feb. 08 2009,02:02)
 
Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 07 2009,21:37)
 
Quote (hereoisreal @ Feb. 07 2009,21:05)
     
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Jam:
“The point I'm trying to make to everyone is that one can test predictions
of ID hypotheses after the onion of dishonesty is peeled back.”

Jam, what do you get when you cross an onion with a donkey?
Well, most of the time you get little onions, but once in a
while you get a piece of ass soo good, it brings tears to your eyes.

Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of
Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he [is] just, and having
salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Zero

"thy King cometh" is a  prediction unsubstantiated or verified until the event happens.
Only then does the verse take on meaning and relevance because, for one, it proves you have spoken the truth, and two... you have saved your own ass.


Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Eze 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

"Cthulhu fhtagn" is a  prediction unsubstantiated or verified until the stars once again come into proper alignment.
Only then does the verse take on meaning and relevance because, for one, it proves you have spoken the truth, and two... you're in deep shit.

On the other hand, "Hastur, Hastur, Hastur" can possibly be considered a practical experiment, albeit one that ends up similarily to your second point...:)

Similarly,

"Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin"

was actually instructions for the palace builders:  

"Measure twice, cut once."

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