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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2009,06:58   

Quote (Daniel Smith @ May 09 2009,12:10)
I came here to point out the fact that the atheists here do not know how life came to be, do not know how life evolved, and ignore its obvious design.

And the implications, of course, are that you DO know those answers (even though you've never told us any of that), and that it is a bad thing to sometimes say "I don't know".

Strawmen to that end.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2009,07:27   

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In conclusion, the atheistic position, as it has been expressed here, is one characterized by narrow mindedness, cowardice, a lack of knowledge, willful ignorance and extreme bias. Add to that a healthy dose of judgmental egotism...

Unintended irony is always the best.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2009,09:06   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 10 2009,14:36)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ May 09 2009,12:10)
I did not come here to debate the flood.


Thanks HOMO! :(

I blurted coffee all over my keyboard

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2009,09:52   

Quote (Daniel Smith @ May 09 2009,18:10)
[SNIP WHINE]

In conclusion, the atheistic position, as it has been expressed here, is one characterized by narrow mindedness, cowardice, a lack of knowledge, willful ignorance and extreme bias. Add to that a healthy dose of judgmental egotism and you'll accurately describe the average atheist posting here.

Goodbye.

Translation:

Throwing tantrums and stamping my foot didn't make you believe in my Mythical Pixie of choice, hence it's all your fault and you are meanies.



Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2009,10:26   

Quote (Daniel Smith @ May 09 2009,12:10)
In conclusion, the atheistic position, as it has been expressed here, is one characterized by narrow mindedness, cowardice, a lack of knowledge, willful ignorance and extreme bias. Add to that a healthy dose of judgmental egotism and you'll accurately describe the average atheist posting here.



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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2009,12:47   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 10 2009,16:26)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ May 09 2009,12:10)
In conclusion, the atheistic position, as it has been expressed here, is one characterized by narrow mindedness, cowardice, a lack of knowledge, willful ignorance and extreme bias. Add to that a healthy dose of judgmental egotism and you'll accurately describe the average atheist posting here.


You win the internets!

Louis

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2009,14:25   

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Characteristic of the philosophy of symbolic forms is a concern for the more primitive forms of world-presentation underlying the higher and more sophisticated cultural forms a concern for the ordinary perceptual awareness of the world expressed primarily in natural language, and, above all, for the mythical view of the world lying at the most primitive level of all. For Cassirer, these more primitive manifestations of symbolic meaning now have an independent status and foundational role that is quite incompatible with both Marburg neo-Kantianism and Kant's original philosophical conception. In particular, they lie at a deeper, autonomous level of spiritual life which then gives rise to the more sophisticated forms by a dialectical developmental process. From mythical thought, religion and art develop; from natural language, theoretical science develops. It is precisely here that Cassirer appeals to romantic philosophical tendencies lying outside the Kantian and neo-Kantian tradition, deploys an historical dialectic self-consciously derived from Hegel, and comes to terms with the contemporary Lebensphilosophie of Wilhelm Dilthey, Henri Bergson, Max Scheler, and Georg Simmel as well as with the closely related philosophy of Martin Heidegger.
from here with my bolding.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2009,19:19   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 10 2009,10:26)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ May 09 2009,12:10)
In conclusion, the atheistic position, as it has been expressed here, is one characterized by narrow mindedness, cowardice, a lack of knowledge, willful ignorance and extreme bias. Add to that a healthy dose of judgmental egotism and you'll accurately describe the average atheist posting here.


i can haz explanation?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2009,19:28   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ May 10 2009,19:19)
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 10 2009,10:26)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ May 09 2009,12:10)
In conclusion, the atheistic position, as it has been expressed here, is one characterized by narrow mindedness, cowardice, a lack of knowledge, willful ignorance and extreme bias. Add to that a healthy dose of judgmental egotism and you'll accurately describe the average atheist posting here.


i can haz explanation?

Projection.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2009,20:01   

Oh, that projector was to indicate projection? I figured it had something to do with knowing or not knowing what is reel.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2009,20:03   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 10 2009,19:28)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 10 2009,19:19)
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 10 2009,10:26)
 
Quote (Daniel Smith @ May 09 2009,12:10)
In conclusion, the atheistic position, as it has been expressed here, is one characterized by narrow mindedness, cowardice, a lack of knowledge, willful ignorance and extreme bias. Add to that a healthy dose of judgmental egotism and you'll accurately describe the average atheist posting here.


i can haz explanation?

Projection.

wow

thanks

anyone needs me i'll be at the bar.  trying to forget this entire thread ever happened.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell.Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2009,20:09   

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anyone needs me i'll be at the bar.  trying to forget this entire thread ever happened.


Tabula Rasa... Tabula Rasa... Tabula Rasa...

  
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: May 11 2009,04:06   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 10 2009,20:03)
 
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 10 2009,19:28)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 10 2009,19:19)
 
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 10 2009,10:26)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ May 09 2009,12:10)
In conclusion, the atheistic position, as it has been expressed here, is one characterized by narrow mindedness, cowardice, a lack of knowledge, willful ignorance and extreme bias. Add to that a healthy dose of judgmental egotism and you'll accurately describe the average atheist posting here.


i can haz explanation?

Projection.

wow

thanks

anyone needs me i'll be at the bar. trying to forget this entire thread ever happened.


Skl, slainte, or whatever.

I was looking for a way of saying it in a roundabout manner, therefore my reference to Cassirer:

 
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Characteristic of the philosophy of symbolic forms is a concern for the more primitive forms of world-presentation underlying the higher and more sophisticated cultural forms


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(Permalink) Posted: May 11 2009,10:24   

Quote (Quack @ May 11 2009,12:06)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 10 2009,20:03)
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 10 2009,19:28)
 
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 10 2009,19:19)
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 10 2009,10:26)
 
Quote (Daniel Smith @ May 09 2009,12:10)
In conclusion, the atheistic position, as it has been expressed here, is one characterized by narrow mindedness, cowardice, a lack of knowledge, willful ignorance and extreme bias. Add to that a healthy dose of judgmental egotism and you'll accurately describe the average atheist posting here.


i can haz explanation?

Projection.

wow

thanks

anyone needs me i'll be at the bar. trying to forget this entire thread ever happened.


Skl, slainte, or whatever.

I was looking for a way of saying it in a roundabout manner, therefore my reference to Cassirer:

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Characteristic of the philosophy of symbolic forms is a concern for the more primitive forms of world-presentation underlying the higher and more sophisticated cultural forms

Yer well you wood woodn you :)

Keep it simple the chilren r reedn

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: May 11 2009,11:16   

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Yer well you wood woodn you :)

Keep it simple the chilren r reedn

My fault, the connection was not easy to see, this one might have been better.

I just wanted to make it cryptic to tease you know who.

There I go again...

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(Permalink) Posted: May 11 2009,19:04   

Quote (Daniel Smith @ May 09 2009,13:10)
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Quote (Daniel Smith @ May 03 2009,17:37)
I don't read oldman's posts. I've explained my reasons for this several times. He knows that but just keeps on posting anyway. Same with Louis.

both have posed valid questions.

to be honest, it kinda looks like you can't answer them and that's why you claim you don't read their posts.

so, instead of reading their posts, here's two questions:

where is the evidence for the biblical flood?

where is the genetic evidence of a human population of only 8 people from which all of us descend?

I've covered this several times.

I did not come here to debate the flood....

...I came here to point out the fact that the atheists here do not know how life came to be, do not know how life evolved, and ignore its obvious design.In conclusion, the atheistic position, as it has been expressed here, is one characterized by narrow mindedness, cowardice, a lack of knowledge, willful ignorance and extreme bias. Add to that a healthy dose of judgmental egotism and you'll accurately describe the average atheist posting here.

Goodbye.

perhaps, but the one thing those "atheists" have presented is something called evidence.

evolution occurs and can be shown to occur.

please show us your evidence.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 11 2009,20:11   

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please show us your evidence.


dear gods no
at least not as banal

next face, please!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 11 2009,20:31   

Question for the group:

Does Daniel's departure count as a flounce out?

a) yes

b)  
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I did not come here to debate the flood.

I came here to point out the fact that the atheists here do not know how life came to be, do not know how life evolved, and ignore its obvious design.


c)  
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I've come to the conclusion that you atheists hide behind science because you know that it cannot test for God. You pour over the books to reinforce your belief that life is just a cosmic coincidence. You think that science has eliminated the need for God, yet science has explained exactly nothing regarding the origins of life.


d) all of the above

Please show your work...

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2009,01:11   

Quote (Texas Teach @ May 11 2009,20:31)
Question for the group:

Does Daniel's departure count as a flounce out?

a) yes

b)
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I did not come here to debate the flood.

I came here to point out the fact that the atheists here do not know how life came to be, do not know how life evolved, and ignore its obvious design.


c)
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I've come to the conclusion that you atheists hide behind science because you know that it cannot test for God. You pour over the books to reinforce your belief that life is just a cosmic coincidence. You think that science has eliminated the need for God, yet science has explained exactly nothing regarding the origins of life.


d) all of the above

Please show your work...

I don't have to show my work - you have to disprove all of my work, which is immune to examination, and anyway, it changes depending on my arguments.  So there.

With a bad knee, I can't flounce, but I'll give it a try if I have to.  :)

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2009,03:15   

Quote (Texas Teach @ May 11 2009,20:31)
Question for the group:

Does Daniel's departure count as a flounce out?

a) yes

b)  
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I did not come here to debate the flood.

I came here to point out the fact that the atheists here do not know how life came to be, do not know how life evolved, and ignore its obvious design.


c)  
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I've come to the conclusion that you atheists hide behind science because you know that it cannot test for God. You pour over the books to reinforce your belief that life is just a cosmic coincidence. You think that science has eliminated the need for God, yet science has explained exactly nothing regarding the origins of life.


d) all of the above

Please show your work...

d)
I had to Google:

Flounce: To move with exaggerated or affected motions: flounced petulantly out of the house.
Petulantly:
1. Unreasonably irritable or ill-tempered; peevish.
2. Contemptuous in speech or behaviour.

Spike Jones was "King of Corn." Maybe Daniel's masterpiece has earned him a proper title too?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2009,09:06   

http://www.sciencenews.org/view....started

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Scientists may have figured out the chemistry that sparked the beginning of life on Earth.

The new findings map out a series of simple, efficient chemical reactions that could have formed molecules of RNA, a close cousin of DNA, from the basic materials available more than 3.85 billion years ago, researchers report online May 13 in Nature.

This is a very impressive piece of work a really excellent analysis, comments chemist James Ferris of the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, N.Y.

The new research lends support to the idea that RNA-based life-forms were the first step toward the evolution of modern life. Called the RNA world hypothesis, the idea was first proposed some 40 years ago. But until now, scientists couldnt figure out the chemical reactions that created the earliest RNA molecules.

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The team took a different approach, starting with a common precursor molecule that had a bit of the sugar and the base. Basically, we took half a base, added that to half a sugar, added the other piece of base, and so on, Sutherland says. The key turned out to be the order that the ingredients are added and the way you put them together like making a souffl.

Another difference is that Sutherland and his team added the phosphate to the mix earlier than in past experiments. Having the phosphate around so early helped the later stages of the reaction happen more quickly and efficiently, the scientists say.

The starting materials and the conditions of the reaction are consistent with models of the geochemistry of an early Earth, the team says.

But while this is a step forward, its not the whole picture, Ferris points out. Its not as simple as putting compounds in a beaker and mixing it up. Its a series of steps. You still have to stop and purify and then do the next step, and that probably didnt happen in the ancient world.


Better move that gap back a bit Denial.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2009,12:57   

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like making a souffl


Then the egg came before the chicken!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2009,17:35   

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like making a souffl

Didn't someone work out the CSI for that?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2009,22:26   

Which one, Miami, or New York?

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2009,01:15   

Quote (Henry J @ May 14 2009,22:26)
Which one, Miami, or New York?

Henry

Las Vegas.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2009,04:10   

Quote (EyeNoU @ May 15 2009,08:15)
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Which one, Miami, or New York?

Henry

Las Vegas.

Agreed, that's the only true CSI. The other ones are crap coated crap with crap topping and a side order of crap.

Grissom FTW!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2009,06:58   

Bycicle repair man sighted!
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Daniel Smith Says:
June 14th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Your arguments are interesting, but neither side's position has anything to do with science. Your positions are based on belief - period.

It's all about our ability to supply a believable (to us) causal mechanism for the things we see. Each person mentally constructs a causal history that fits with his or her already established worldview.

For someone who already believes in God, the design of life is readily apparent. They have no trouble imagining a causal scenario in which God designs life.

For someone who does not believe in God, the possibility of producing life via natural causes is also readily apparent. They too have no trouble imagining a causal scenario in which life builds itself.

Science has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! Science is only used to bolster your claims.

Thus you will continue to argue in circles.


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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2009,08:27   

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Bycicle repair man sighted!
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Daniel Smith Says:
June 14th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Your arguments are interesting, but neither side's position has anything to do with science. Your positions are based on belief - period.

It's all about our ability to supply a believable (to us) causal mechanism for the things we see. Each person mentally constructs a causal history that fits with his or her already established worldview.

For someone who already believes in God, the design of life is readily apparent. They have no trouble imagining a causal scenario in which God designs life.

For someone who does not believe in God, the possibility of producing life via natural causes is also readily apparent. They too have no trouble imagining a causal scenario in which life builds itself.

Science has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! Science is only used to bolster your claims.

Thus you will continue to argue in circles.

[Lion King]

It's the cirrrrrrrrrrrcle of liiiiiiiiiiiiiiife!

[/Lion King]

{Sniff, sniff}

Ain't it beautiful?

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2009,23:07   

Quote (Louis @ June 15 2009,08:27)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 15 2009,12:58)
Bycicle repair man sighted!
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Daniel Smith Says:
June 14th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Your arguments are interesting, but neither side's position has anything to do with science. Your positions are based on belief - period.

It's all about our ability to supply a believable (to us) causal mechanism for the things we see. Each person mentally constructs a causal history that fits with his or her already established worldview.

For someone who already believes in God, the design of life is readily apparent. They have no trouble imagining a causal scenario in which God designs life.

For someone who does not believe in God, the possibility of producing life via natural causes is also readily apparent. They too have no trouble imagining a causal scenario in which life builds itself.

Science has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! Science is only used to bolster your claims.

Thus you will continue to argue in circles.

[Lion King]

It's the cirrrrrrrrrrrcle of liiiiiiiiiiiiiiife!

[/Lion King]

{Sniff, sniff}

Ain't it beautiful?

Louis

That would be "The circle jerk of life"

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2009,07:49   

don provan spanks Denial at TT.
 
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Every book, every paper, written by an ID scientists is a treatise stating basically "Look, here's some evidence that God (oops! I mean "an unnamed designer") may have done this."

They're stuck at the starting gate.


Of course they're stuck. Their ideas and claims are just exactly as vacuous as we critics keep telling you they are. You are rationalizing why they aren't making progress even though you think they should be, but the truth is that they aren't making progress because they're blowing smoke.

Link

So Daniel, how's that working out for you? Not so good it appears.....

More slaps.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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