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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,11:14   

Quote (Robin @ Feb. 09 2012,06:03)
Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 09 2012,02:17)
The reason I brought up importance is partly due to some comments by you and others and partly due to this question from Erasmus:

"who gives a fuck what they think?"

I think it's fair to say that most or all people here (at ATBC) care about what's said at UD (and elsewhere) by the IDiots (and by their opponents). Otherwise they likely wouldn't be here, or at least wouldn't stick around for long. The level of importance from one person to another undoubtedly varies, but I don't think that anyone here can honestly say that what the IDiots do or say (or "think") is completely unimportant.

I realize that we all have our own way of dealing with things, and I'm not trying to 'make' any ID opponents change their methods. I'm just speaking up about something that bugs me and hoping to influence EL to consider some things. I do feel strongly about it but I know that she can, and will, ultimately do whatever she wants.

To prevent any misunderstanding, by "this site" I meant ATBC.

I agree for the most part, though I could quibble with you about your choice of the word "important". I certainly don't find what goes on at UD important in a strict sense of the term:

 
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Adjective:

   1. Of great significance or value; likely to have a profound effect on success, survival, or well-being: "important habitats for wildlife".
  2.  (of a person) Having high rank or status.


For me, UD is more compelling than important. The discussions and behavior there are indicative of a mindset that I find a little shocking, a little frightening at times, and unbelievable, but also fascinating. I'll engage in discussions there every so often just to see how they defend what I see as an obviously ignorant and erroneous claim.

Still, I agree with you in principle - a lot of us would not come to AtBC if not for UD, so clearly most of us care about UD...at least in the sense that we care enough about what they say and how they behave to gather and comment on it.

I am still curious though - what do you think one of the UD folks "pouncing" on a weak Lizzie would look like? What do you think would happen that would be significant in some way?

Robin, I just want to let you know that I'll respond late tonight. I was in the middle of a response when my power went out, and I should think more about it anyway.

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,11:32   

Quote (dvunkannon @ Feb. 09 2012,10:47)
 
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it was on the BW during the feminazi war, maybe not so much a flounce but a "screw you guys i am going home".  i think after someone compared him to KF for typing too much or something.  a pity, i would read it even if i disagreed simply because that fella really knew how to swear

Things that might get Lous to post again:

5 - invidious comparison of rugby and (American) football
4 - lolcat involving a Welsh goat in estrus
3 - lolcat involving Lous' Mum and Tarden Chatterbox
2 - revival of Mornington Crescent thread
1 - bonafide FtK posting

I realize that 4 and 3 overlap significantly.

I"ll try a #5.

Hey Lewis, American football players don't eat their dead.*  Nyah, nyah, nyah!


*Except for maybe the Chicago bears and only pre 1952.

Sorry, can't help you with the Welsh goats.

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Like every other academic field, philosophy of religion has its share of hacks and mediocrities.  Edward Feser

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,13:45   

Well, champignon has been silently banned.

My last visible comment:
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KF, you are a pious fraud and a liar:
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That such feel it necessary to conceal their might and manipulation makes might views shows that they realise — deep down — that they are morally abnormal, or even warped, even monstrous.

LOL.

You have no evidence whatsoever that any of us who have been criticizing the Old Testament God for his genocidal tendencies secretly believe that “might and manipulation make right”.

Another false accusation for you to retract.

Ironically, in the comment I was trying to post when I discovered my bannination, I defended the right of KF and JoeG to make stupid and baseless allegations, and my own right to respond to them.

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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,14:52   

Quote (keiths @ Feb. 09 2012,13:45)
Well, champignon has been silently banned.

My last visible comment:
       
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KF, you are a pious fraud and a liar:
       
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That such feel it necessary to conceal their might and manipulation makes might views shows that they realise — deep down — that they are morally abnormal, or even warped, even monstrous.

LOL.

You have no evidence whatsoever that any of us who have been criticizing the Old Testament God for his genocidal tendencies secretly believe that “might and manipulation make right”.

Another false accusation for you to retract.

Ironically, in the comment I was trying to post when I discovered my bannination, I defended the right of KF and JoeG to make stupid and baseless allegations, and my own right to respond to them.

For shame! Many good posts under the mushroom banner. Anyone would think they didn't welcome critical examination of their scientific position...

I did wonder if you were sailing a tad close to the wind calling KF a liar and hypocrite! Interesting that Joe gets away with it, but then evos are not human, and therefore not in need of the same protection of delicate ego.

The fact that both are fair comment ...  hey, let's all get banned! KF! Over here, mate! I'd like a quiet word if I may. You are ...

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Evolutionists trust entropy for creation of life but are like men who horse a crocodile to get across a river - niwrad.

The organism could already metabolize citrus. Joe G

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,15:11   

keiths ... well played.  I very much enjoyed and appreciated your darned woolly posts at the asylum.  Champion Champignon indeed!

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Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy.
Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,15:29   

those lubejobs can't stand to lose any regular commenters lest they have to make their own socks in order to have a quorum for occupying the moral high ground.  so keeping joe around is a gritty necessity.  hence his return after bannination.  i would love to see the email exchange between him and whichever one of the twats banned him

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,15:34   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 09 2012,15:29)
those lubejobs can't stand to lose any regular commenters lest they have to make their own socks in order to have a quorum for occupying the moral high ground

Speaking of which ...

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Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy.
Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,15:50   

which one of you guys is Zoe again

LMAO

shit is too coherent to be batshit

too complicated to be joe

not enough hate for KF

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,16:20   

POTW!!!

Come back Louis!  

You know that we all Arden Love You! :)

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,16:28   

Gordshite explains:
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If they had said that Christians struggle and sometimes say wrong or even foolish things in response to cases of destructive judgement of nations, that would be true and fair comment.

But that is NOT what we are seeing.

We are seeing insistent false accusations of genocide that seek to make cheap, poisonous rhetorical points.

You see, it's "ethnic cleansing"... er, hang on, I mean "the final solution"... no, just a minute... "manifest destiny"... oh bugger, let's go with "destructive judgement of nations".  But not genocide.  Genocide would be bad.

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it.
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,16:32   

Barkeep, give me a straight shot of Joe:  
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Natural selection, a result, is totally biased by chance.


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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
The geological maps that realist use to make money are all surface maps. -forastero

  
olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,18:15   

Quote (paragwinn @ Feb. 09 2012,16:32)
Barkeep, give me a straight shot of Joe:    
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Natural selection, a result, is totally biased by chance.

That's a spectacular comprehension FAIL, the type we have come to expect from Joe. And he does not disappoint, sticking to his toy guns:
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natural selection is biased by chance events, as opposed to being biased by designed events.


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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,18:18   

i wonder if that idiot thinks a random sample is biased by chance

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,18:52   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 09 2012,05:06)
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Bruce David is continuing to defend his claim that people regularly break the 2nd law of thermodynamics:
           
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Well, my goodness. I go away for 24 hours and find that I’ve generated quite a discussion. Let me try to get caught up.

It's full of tard, of course, but here's my favorite bit:

(Responding to champignon who has said "I can assure you that no one has found a single macroscopic violation of the second law by any system")
         
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The reason no one has found a single violation in spite of the fact that the earth itself is one massive violation of the Second Law is because they are simply unwilling to see it. “There are none so blind as those who will not see.”

Added emphasis, I believe, is not necessary.

That whole thread is weird, starting with the OP:      
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Inasmuch as the paranormal and spiritism are “personal”, possessing the characteristics of contingent personality, then it is dangerous to study them as a machine.
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More precisely, the Bible condemns even the exploration of the occult, because of its parasitic relationship to persons.
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Inasmuch as the paranormal is personal, it is forbidden for the same reason that the occult is forbidden–it infects our mind.

"it infects our mind"?

In other words, they have nothing to worry about.

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"Just think if every species had a different genetic code We would have to eat other humans to survive.." : Joe G

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,19:08   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 09 2012,16:18)
i wonder if that idiot thinks a random sample is biased by chance

Joe and his Statistical Testicles:
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It all depends on the personality, if alcohol is involved and if any protection is used.


eta: quotemined all to hell and back

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
The geological maps that realist use to make money are all surface maps. -forastero

  
REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,20:37   

Barry Arrington deleted a comment thread and left this:

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UD Editors: Dr. Robert Collins of Yale, who goes by DrREC on this site, will no longer be commenting here. Dr. Collins, is that how they taught you to do it at Yale?


Which means he tracks IPs and searched my last name (I use a gmail account with my last name over there). This after posting a thread calling me out. JoeG goes unchecked.

  
REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,21:37   

The sad thing is that the Barry only got mad when I asked him to explain if appeal to authority was always a fallacy, and what an "expert witness" is.

Those posts have gone missing.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,21:59   

Where any one raindrop lands is very much a matter of chance.

Yet, the ground gets wet when it rains.

Henry

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,22:13   

harry barrington is one of the sadder cunts in that shitshow

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,22:22   

back to the "fucking around at UD:  what good is it" question, if it weren't for that intellectual latrine i would never have had the pure delight of perusing "bevets" web page.  ROFLMFFFAAAOO

aint shit "important" going on over there except some heavy duty LULZ.  Dr REC you are a rock star.  Barry Arrington you are the sort of thing one finds on one's shoe after getting blown by a midget bearded lady in the camel stall at a bush-league circus.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,22:27   

going to UD is a lot like going to a glory hole.  protect yourself.  don't even read the shit without anonymizing because the same dick dribbles that have butthurt tantrums about using their real names (like kairosfocus i.e. Gordon E Mullings of Manjack Heights Montserrat) and make hypocritical hash of the blog rules by letting banned commenters like our limp wristed friend Joe Gallien continue to troll for man meat there under another name also like to out critics of UD.  if you remember that there is no honor among these derelicts and thieves then it remains the purest of joys to go over there and take the piss.

LMFAO

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,22:30   

Jammers found my bio.....aaaannnddd Cue the hate mail.

Given who's been cc'ed tomorrow should be interesting.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,22:32   

Quote (REC @ Feb. 09 2012,21:37)
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UD Editors: Dr. Robert Collins of Yale, who goes by DrREC on this site, will no longer be commenting here. Dr. Collins, is that how they taught you to do it at Yale?

baahahaha don't count on it Barry, you festering ass pustule.  to the Tor machine!

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,22:35   

Quote (REC @ Feb. 10 2012,13:37)
Barry Arrington deleted a comment thread and left this:
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I see brave Sir Gil has turned up to jeer from behind Bully's skirts:
   
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It is asking “what the hell do you know you arrogant prick?”

A prick is a penis in popular parlance. How could a penis be arrogant? I suggest, DrRec, that you get immediate anger-management counseling. These services should be available from evolutionary psychologists in your area.

Interestingly, it was brilliant attorney Phil Johnson’s book, Darwin on Trial, that was in some ways instrumental in my realization that Darwinism is unsubstantiated materialistic philosophy passed off as “science.”

Phil points out the rhetorical tactics used by Darwinists to obfuscate and redirect legitimate challenges into areas that are completely irrelevant concerning scientific evidence and logical analysis.

The elephant in the room is design, and no amount of penis argumentation will make it go away.

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This guy actually got a Ph.D. at Yale? That’s not just bizarre; it’s downright scary.

This poor soul must be mentally ill, or perhaps a drug addict.

Prick=penis=piece of anatomy, how could that be called arrogant? Hey Gil, see if you can make sense of this: you're an asshole.
Oh, and E1!

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"Grow up, assface" - Joe G., grown up ID spokesperson, Sandwalk, April 2014

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,22:36   

Quote (Raevmo @ Feb. 09 2012,06:29)
And I would like to congratulate myself for inventing the term "2lotard".

Please donate $10 to your favorite charity upon future usage of term.

I will be impressed once it shows up in Google. Until then you will have to spread the word.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,22:41   

Oh by the way, Jammers first other comment I can find on ID:

"mentally ill and dangerously ignorant troll GinoB"

"http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/frank-turek-asks-why-do-atheists-so-often-seem-to-be-angry/"


Prick is sooo much worse....

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,22:44   

the first one is always special.  buuuut now you can burn socks in the fire like jehovah did to sodom and gomorrah, without a shred of compunction.

ETA:  Gordon paraphrases, misattributes quotes and plain old lies about what people have or have not said all the time.  BUT DON'T YOU DARE DO THAT

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,23:20   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 09 2012,15:50)
which one of you guys is Zoe again

LMAO

shit is too coherent to be batshit

too complicated to be joe

Not enough hate for KF

not sure about KF. Back in 2009 I speculated if KairosFocus aka Gordon Elliot Mullings aka dictionary is identical with Zoe based on quite some evidence.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,23:26   

LMAO

so, he types that shit wearing a dress made of mum's skin?

i would like to see gordon e mullings fight gamma particles

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2012,23:27   

Regarding the discussion about UD I would argue that sites like UD are the best Idiots like Dembski could have done fot their oponents. The comments by their followers display what ID means. Without them Dembski and the othe Idiots would just run fake journal pages like "Bio-Complexity" and fake labs like "Biologic Institute" and pretend to being serious scholars who are just ignored by mainstream science. Thus, the best thing for our side is if UD is kept alive and even better if it is run by people like Barry Arrington.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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