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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,07:14   

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Indeed, intelligent design is just the Logorrhea theology of John’s Gospel restated by the idiots of information theory


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,09:54   

DaveScot, voice of reason:
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Verily, scrolling through kf length dissertations (comments are bible verse length not bible book length) doth weareth out thou mouse wheel and cause a great weariness to come upon thy fingers. It testeth the patience even of Job.

His imitation of KJV English may suck, but it's much better than KF's imitation of rational thought.  Plus he's funny  

Question for consideration: is blue-background DaveScot courting bannination?  Oh, the irony!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,10:02   

allanius resorts to an argument from authority:
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And will you ripple your brawny muscles at Kant as well, Noted Scholar, when he says that the study of origins lies outside the realm of science because origins cannot be observed? Would it be too much to ask you to descend from Olympus and demonstrate to us benighted souls at UD that you understand the historical conflict between theory and empirical science?

Philosophers, even great ones, can be spectacularly wrong.  Auguste Comte wrote in 1835 something similar about astronomy:
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On the subject of stars, all investigations which are not ultimately reducible to simple visual observations are ... necessarily denied to us. While we can conceive of the possibility of determining their shapes, their sizes, and their motions, we shall never be able by any means to study their chemical composition or their mineralogical structure ... Our knowledge concerning their gaseous envelopes is necessarily limited to their existence, size ... and refractive power, we shall not at all be able to determine their chemical composition or even their density... I regard any notion concerning the true mean temperature of the various stars as forever denied to us.

We know how that turned out.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,11:17   

Quote (olegt @ Dec. 25 2008,08:02)
allanius resorts to an argument from authority:    
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And will you ripple your brawny muscles at Kant as well, Noted Scholar, when he says that the study of origins lies outside the realm of science because origins cannot be observed? Would it be too much to ask you to descend from Olympus and demonstrate to us benighted souls at UD that you understand the historical conflict between theory and empirical science?


Allanius is also too dim to realize that by Kant's criterion, ID isn't science either.

Good aim, allanius.  The foot bandages are in the first aid kit.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,11:56   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Dec. 25 2008,07:54)
DaveScot, voice of reason:
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Verily, scrolling through kf length dissertations (comments are bible verse length not bible book length) doth weareth out thou mouse wheel and cause a great weariness to come upon thy fingers. It testeth the patience even of Job.


Why fake it when you can quote the real thing?
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He that keepeth his mouth keepeth his life: but he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction.

Proverbs 13:3

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When words are many, sin is not absent,
but he who holds his tongue is wise.

Proverbs 10:19

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Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.

Ecclesiastes 5:2

See, my literalist upbringing wasn't a total waste.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,12:03   

I have to admit, I'd never realized just what a pompous ass KF really is...

...mostly because I've never wasted the time to read his pompous crap.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,12:06   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 25 2008,18:03)
I have to admit, I'd never realized just what a pompous ass KF really is...

...mostly because I've never wasted the time to read his pompous crap.

You and me both. He/she seems to be the kind of person that replies to a yes or no question with a 2000+ word essay.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,12:35   

Quote (dnmlthr @ Dec. 25 2008,12:06)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 25 2008,18:03)
I have to admit, I'd never realized just what a pompous ass KF really is...

...mostly because I've never wasted the time to read his pompous crap.

You and me both. He/she seems to be the kind of person that replies to a yes or no question with a 2000+ word essay.

Does anybody remember a guy who used to haunt the usenet religion threads about fifteen years ago whose last name was Winter?  He was a Christian who, among other things, denied the Trinity, which raised a few objections on the Christian threads.  To "answer" his critics, he had about a million words of blather stored on his hard drive which he would cut and paste into fantastically long posts that make kf look like a piker.

That was in the 2400 baud days and I could just about keep up reading that speed, so I'd let the messages scroll and just read them on the fly.  You could always tell when one of Winter's messages was coming up because suddenly this solid block of text would start to rise from the bottom of your screen, like some submarine behemoth rising to lay waste to the world.  The sentences filled the entire screen, from left to right, with no paragraphs, indentations or other breaks.  Page after page of English-like sentences that made about as much sense as kf.

The overall effect was kf^2 or maybe even kf^3.  I think he was eventually banned from just about every thread in usenet.  kf may be his little brother.  Somebody ask him if his last name used to be Winter.  And if not, demand to know why.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,13:06   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 25 2008,10:03)
I have to admit, I'd never realized just what a pompous ass KF really is...

KF:
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I will note that I have taken up issues where as far as I can see there is need for more detailed commentary, given the stalemated back-forths that sometimes occur. And, sometimes, due to the simple and manifest want of capacity on the Design side to address issues and arguments put up by some evolutionary materialist advocates who come to visit.

Translation:  My lengthy comments compensate for the "manifest want of capacity" of the other ID supporters at UD.

Pompous ass, indeed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,13:28   

TWH:  So, KF, what time is it?
KF:  Well, hammer, if I may call you that shortened version in order to decrease my post size which has been quite the topic of conversation lately between myself and the forces of darkness, in which I mean materialists, darwinists and others that do not share my complete world view, before I answer your question about the time let me give you some background.

Watches were first invented in the 14th century and mainly manufactured...
TWH: <Kills self>

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,13:55   

I am reminded of the instructions on counting to 3 in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail".

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,16:00   

KF uses words like Don King uses hair.  My 2c.  :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,16:48   

I was curious to see how widely KF's reputation for bombast and turgidity had spread, so I did a little Googling. In the process I came across a photo of him standing at a podium, speaking. Though KF promotes himself as a public figure and church leader, I'll refrain from linking to the photo out of respect for his privacy. Suffice it to say that the single visible audience member appears to be sleeping.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,17:21   

Barry Arrington is a tard
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Thank you bb. Merry Christmas to all, especially the lurkers banned, for whom this blog mainly exists.

Fixed that for you.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,20:43   

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Heh -- Mark Frank also begs KF for brevity:
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Kairosfocus

You also write:
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Nor, that others and the undersigned have addressed the issues and concerns surrounding evo mat based determinism on mind, reasoning and moral responsibility in both significant details and with at least a modicum of sober and informed reflection; e.g GP at 21 and SB at 56 and 112, or VJT at 62 and 85.

Some of these comments are incredibly long and there are lots of them. There is no way anyone can respond to everything and have a life. My biggest plea is for comments that make just one or two points as concisely as possible. Even this one is too long.

I never read 2,000 word comments on blogs. Like the man said, brevity is the soul of wit.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,20:49   

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 26 2008,02:43)
I never read 2,000 word comments on blogs. Like the man said, brevity is the soul of wit.

Argumentum ad tedium. An argument which takes the following form.

Prima: "Your argument is flawed due to x, y and z"
Secunda: "<Mountains of text, none of which actually refutes Prima's argument> Waterloo!"

Edit: It's nearly four in the morning over here, it seemed funny when I wrote it. Reading it after posting, not so much. G'night.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,21:22   

Gotta love that Kairosfocus's explanation of why he writes long comments is itself 593 words long.

Which for Kairosfocus is like a post-it note, but still.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2008,21:27   

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 25 2008,22:22)
Gotta love that Kairosfocus's explanation of why he writes long comments is itself 593 words long.

Which for Kairosfocus is like a post-it note, but still.

But if he writes short posts, people will go to hell.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2008,00:28   

Crater is a soul whose intentions are good :        
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You know, it really isn’t necessary to be insulting to others in the design community. We were doing fine before you chose to grace these pages and will no doubt continue to advance the science long after you retire a second time.
Unfortunately, this seems not enough to get rid of UD's insular friend.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2008,00:43   

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I have to admit, I'd never realized just what a pompous ass KF really is...


Pompous ass indeed. But wait till someone mentions Gordon Mullings again.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2008,02:05   

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Barry Arrington is a tard  
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Thank you bb. Merry Christmas to all, especially the lurkers banned, for whom this blog mainly exists.

Fixed that for you.

No, no.  I think he's admitting that now the only reason for UD's existence is to provide us with cheap entertainment. I mean, can you imagine anyone else reading that stuff?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2008,08:20   

You know, it's just a shame that someone is already using the name "Insane Clown Posse". It's perfect for UD, or the Intelligent Design Creationism Hoax at large.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2008,09:56   

If you haven't read that compatibilism thread, you must at least read Barry's opening post, then skip through and read all the posts where Mark Frank dishes out Teh Justice. It's what we see over and over in the ID community. It turns out that their untutored ramblings are much less accurate than the opinions of thousands of the experts in the field. Shocking, I know, but they never seem to learn that lesson.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2008,12:47   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 26 2008,08:20)
You know, it's just a shame that someone is already using the name "Insane Clown Posse". It's perfect for UD, or the Intelligent Design Creationism Hoax at large.

Yes, that or "Bozo Porno Circus". What they say in the name of science is obscene.......

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2008,12:52   

Sparc, what did you say?
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sparc

12/26/2008

1:41 am


EDIT: Sparc, quoting someone else insulting kf is not something to be appreciated. If you don’t like kf’s style that’s fine–just say so. But this comment went too far. –Admin


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2008,13:27   

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Sparc, what did you say?      
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sparc

12/26/2008

1:41 am


EDIT: Sparc, quoting someone else insulting kf is not something to be appreciated. If you don’t like kf’s style that’s fine–just say so. But this comment went too far. –Admin

Called KFC a "pompous ass"?
     
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I have to admit, I'd never realized just what a pompous ass KF really is...


Pompous ass indeed. But wait till someone mentions Gordon Mullings again.

Remember, what is said here is the same as if it was posted on UD, 'cause UNCLE CLIVE IS LISTENING!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2008,14:04   

My, my, but it's been a while.  Due to a very hectic schedule  and an all-consuming obsession with the Presidential Election, I haven't visited AtBC in slightly over a year (prior to that, I'd mostly been a lurker).  But I've recently found some down time, which, having absolutely nothing better to do, I used to read through this thread in its entirety.  It sure has been a good year for TARD, but I think I may now need a drink (or several)!

My favorite tardalicious event was when Dembski nonchalantly retired the EF (which DaveScot agreed was an excellent idea) and then, for reasons related only to his ego, brought it back from the grave (which DaveScot agreed was an excellent idea).  Primo stuff, there.

Since this is the time for retrospection, what were y'all's favorite UD moments of zen tard in 2008?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2008,19:16   

Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 26 2008,14:04)
My, my, but it's been a while.  Due to a very hectic schedule  and an all-consuming obsession with the Presidential Election, I haven't visited AtBC in slightly over a year (prior to that, I'd mostly been a lurker).  But I've recently found some down time, which, having absolutely nothing better to do, I used to read through this thread in its entirety.  It sure has been a good year for TARD, but I think I may now need a drink (or several)!

My favorite tardalicious event was when Dembski nonchalantly retired the EF (which DaveScot agreed was an excellent idea) and then, for reasons related only to his ego, brought it back from the grave (which DaveScot agreed was an excellent idea).  Primo stuff, there.

Since this is the time for retrospection, what were y'all's favorite UD moments of zen tard in 2008?

Welcome back!  I was big into Backing Barack , and Pounding Palin too, but evidently I got back here before you did.

Coincidently, or maybe not, my Tard Of The Year Vote goes out to DaveScott too, only I'm picking his BackingThe Wrong Horse Moment... and his Hussein Hissy Fit.

Got to give Ole Davey credit - He was wrong about Dover, wrong about Obama - and I am sure, the Good Tard Willing, that he will be wrong about a lot of things this upcoming year too.

I hope he's picking Houston to win on Sunday.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2008,19:26   

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Remember, what is said here is the same as if it was posted on UD, 'cause UNCLE CLIVE IS LISTENING!

It's not quite the same, because posts here don't get censored.

Clive, since we know you're listening, show the intellectual integrity to ponder that point, just for a moment.  Why is it that UD cannot tolerate even the mildest dissent?  Could it be because there is no scientific theory of intelligent design, it explains no empirical observations, and makes no predictions that can distinguish it from modern evolutionary theory in any way?  No, no, it must be an evil conspiracy.

By banning Rib without addressing any of his points, you've shown that you know, deep down in that same dark part of your mind where you keep those racy visions of Ann Coulter bottled up for when you can't get back to sleep at 3:00 in the morning, that ID is, hmm, what's a good description . . . oh yeah, scientifically vacuous.

Want to prove otherwise?  Take your arguments to a forum where you can't silence your critics when they make you uncomfortable.  Davey lacks the balls to do so and I suspect you are equally intellectually impotent.

Damn but your willful ignorance combined with unfounded arrogance is annoying.  Don't mistake that annoyance at your behavior for anything other than the natural inclination to want to give a bitch a well deserved slap.  You've got nothing.

Edited to add:  "Bitch" here is used in the colloquial sense of Davey's relationship to Dembski, not as a validation of the term as used by males like Davey who lack the self-confidence to deal with women as equals.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2008,22:07   

Heh-heh.  Looks like we have a new loyal reader in gpuccio.  He's even combing through the archives to see where he's mentioned:
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I have recently read in a darwinist site an unilateral critic by someone to my affirmations about uniform distribution in the search space of proteins. This unilateral critic, of whom I was naturally not aware until by chance I read his post following, for other reasons, a link from here, argued that I was wrong in assuming an uniform, or quasi uniform, distribution, because an evolutionary search does not work that way, but works with what already exists, and the sequences near an existing functional protein are extremely likely, while most other sequences have amost zero probability to occur.

(He's referring to this post of Zachriel's from December 17.)

Gpuccio,

You seem miffed that your "unilateral critic" posted his critique here instead of confronting you at UD.  Do you wonder why?  Think about it.  (Hint:  Zachriel used to post at UD, and then "something" happened.  Ask Clive -- he seems to be developing a taste for that "something".)

So Zachriel can't engage you there, but you and other ID supporters are more than welcome to comment here, where we don't censor the people who disagree with us.  The moderators might even set you up with your own thread.  They've done so for other ID supporters.

How about it?

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