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Raevmo



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2012,06:11   

Quote (Febble @ Mar. 18 2012,05:00)
Actually, it's this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Anarchi....9500824

Is that a different one? Is there a way on Amazon.com to tell apart different authors by the same name?

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2012,08:30   

He is a New Age type.
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BTW, I don't know which book you ordered, but they don't equally examine the views I express here. Anarchic Harmony is more of a 100-page anti-authority, anti-convention rant than anything else, but I've always been fond of Robert Anton Wilson's introduction. Unconditional Freedom is a more in-depth explanation of my views. Please keep in mind that I wrote both of those about 20 years ago, so my views have changed and developed over that time.

Both of those books are now out of print and are now only available via the second-hand market. For something more current, you might try "Instant Enlightenment", available as a digital download from Lulu.com. Cheap, at $2.50, and brief (as the term "instant" indicates) at 40 pages. But, I don't get into any "explanation" in IE; it's more of just a how-to book.


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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2012,08:57   

so are these dicks all the same dick?

i am having a bit of trouble connecting the moonbat yammering about rayhsists to the moonbat yammering about his "i choose to believe it so it is true" christian castaneda-ism at TSZ

i am fairly sure that the cat who wrote the book on divegrass is neither one of these shitstains but i tell you what that is a shitty toupee on the y00t00b

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2012,09:16   

At least he warns us against being arrogant.

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sledgehammer



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2012,19:37   

"Anarchic Harmony: The Spirituality of Social Disobedience [Paperback]
William J. Murray (Author)

13 used from $0.36"

A bit steep, that. I think I'll pass.

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NormOlsen



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2012,10:26   

Quote (olegt @ Mar. 18 2012,08:30)
He is a New Age type.
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BTW, I don't know which book you ordered, but they don't equally examine the views I express here. Anarchic Harmony is more of a 100-page anti-authority, anti-convention rant than anything else, but I've always been fond of Robert Anton Wilson's introduction. Unconditional Freedom is a more in-depth explanation of my views. Please keep in mind that I wrote both of those about 20 years ago, so my views have changed and developed over that time.

Both of those books are now out of print and are now only available via the second-hand market. For something more current, you might try "Instant Enlightenment", available as a digital download from Lulu.com. Cheap, at $2.50, and brief (as the term "instant" indicates) at 40 pages. But, I don't get into any "explanation" in IE; it's more of just a how-to book.

I think they prefer the term "New Age Baramin".

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2012,14:10   

On TSZ Joe is currently sharing his wisdom.

Elizabeth, on a single page Joe has used both barrels of the single gun he has.

1: A "totally different type of biology"
2: It's the origin of CSI that matters!

These two points seem to be at the core of his argument, such as it is. He's been using them for years.

The first point is a reference to something Dawkins has said. And it seems because Dawkins said it Joe can use it over and over, immune to any counter argument. As can be seen on the thread currently. http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....nt-8740
You've already asked him why it matters, but you won't get an answer.

I think it's probably worth pressing Joe on the "origin" issue some more, the quote from Dembski a couple of pages back has it.

So Joe fixates on some quote and it becomes part of his routine. You'll never "unlearn" it from him.

Or will you....

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2012,09:43   

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Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.


I haven't seen any new comments since this started.

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2012,20:29   

Hi Liz,

Could you grant me posting privileges at TSZ?

Thanks.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2012,23:42   

Quote (keiths @ Mar. 22 2012,20:29)
Hi Liz,

Could you grant me posting privileges at TSZ?

Thanks.

Do it for the bananas and the ravens!

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Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2012,09:52   

Quote (keiths @ Mar. 22 2012,20:29)
Hi Liz,

Could you grant me posting privileges at TSZ?

Thanks.

Done.

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2012,20:05   

Thanks, Liz.

For the curious, Richard is referring to the one time I defended something that David Coppedge said, a discussion that went on for days and involved bananas, ravens, and Richard's, um, predilections...

Quote (keiths @ Oct. 18 2009,11:26)
Quote (Raevmo @ Oct. 17 2009,16:32)
Of course, if N is large - and it is very large - observing a yellow banana has almost no effect at all on our posterior

Speak for yourself.  Richardthughes feels a tingling in his posterior when he sees a yellow banana, particularly if it is large.


Edited by keiths on Mar. 23 2012,18:09

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2012,23:14   

Quote (keiths @ Mar. 23 2012,20:05)
Thanks, Liz.

For the curious, Richard is referring to the one time I defended something that David Coppedge said, a discussion that went on for days and involved bananas, ravens, and Richard's, um, predilections...

Quote (keiths @ Oct. 18 2009,11:26)
Quote (Raevmo @ Oct. 17 2009,16:32)
Of course, if N is large - and it is very large - observing a yellow banana has almost no effect at all on our posterior

Speak for yourself.  Richardthughes feels a tingling in his posterior when he sees a yellow banana, particularly if it is large.

To be fair, that's the gerbil thinking it's going to be fed.

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2012,07:10   

Liz,

I am experiencing a technical problem with comments. For example, WordPress won't let me post this fairly innocuous reply on the thread about the 2nd law. I preserve the WordPress formatting.
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I'd like to discuss this excerpt from Sewell's ENV piece:
<blockquote>There are some problems, however. While one can certainly define a "poker entropy" as S_p = k_p log (W) and have a nice formula for entropy which increases when probability increases, why should the constant k_p used be equal to the Boltzmann constant k_B? In fact, it is not clear why poker entropy should have units of Joules/degree Kelvin. In the case of thermal entropy, the constant is chosen so that the statistical definition of thermal entropy agrees with the standard macroscopic definition. But there is no standard definition for poker entropy to match, so the constant k_p can be chosen arbitrarily. If we do arbitrarily set k_p = k_B, so that the units match, <strong>it still does not make any sense to add poker entropy and thermal entropy changes to see if the result is positive or not. It is not clear how the fact that thermal entropy is increasing in the rest of the universe makes it easier to get a highly improbable poker hand.</strong> Of course, all these problems also exist with respect to Styer and Bunn's analyses of the entropy associated with evolution; at least with poker entropy we don't have to take wild guesses at the probabilities involved.
</blockquote>
The confusion over the units, while funny, is a minor problem. It's the highlighted two sentences that are most interesting.


On a related note, could you add a thread opening privilege for me as well?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2012,10:42   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2012,23:14)
Quote (keiths @ Mar. 23 2012,20:05)
Thanks, Liz.

For the curious, Richard is referring to the one time I defended something that David Coppedge said, a discussion that went on for days and involved bananas, ravens, and Richard's, um, predilections...

 
Quote (keiths @ Oct. 18 2009,11:26)
 
Quote (Raevmo @ Oct. 17 2009,16:32)
Of course, if N is large - and it is very large - observing a yellow banana has almost no effect at all on our posterior

Speak for yourself.  Richardthughes feels a tingling in his posterior when he sees a yellow banana, particularly if it is large.

To be fair, that's the gerbil thinking it's going to be fed.

You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

This is one of those posts.

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2012,11:03   

Quote (NormOlsen @ Mar. 24 2012,11:42)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2012,23:14)
Quote (keiths @ Mar. 23 2012,20:05)
Thanks, Liz.

For the curious, Richard is referring to the one time I defended something that David Coppedge said, a discussion that went on for days and involved bananas, ravens, and Richard's, um, predilections...

 
Quote (keiths @ Oct. 18 2009,11:26)
 
Quote (Raevmo @ Oct. 17 2009,16:32)
Of course, if N is large - and it is very large - observing a yellow banana has almost no effect at all on our posterior

Speak for yourself.  Richardthughes feels a tingling in his posterior when he sees a yellow banana, particularly if it is large.

To be fair, that's the gerbil thinking it's going to be fed.

You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

This is one of those posts.

i love those posts they make me lolroftlmaowtfbbq

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2012,12:31   

My favorite Richtard comment from that thread:
Quote (RichardtHughes @ Oct. 19 2009,07:55)
There once was a homo called Keiths
Who had strange posterior beliefs
Ravens, Bananas,
Crammed up his pyjamas
to ascertain whether Hempel's paradox expressed as a hypothesis is a true representation of inductive logic for a finite set of entities working under other a priori assumptions such as the uniformity of nature.


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Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2012,15:15   

Quote (olegt @ Mar. 24 2012,07:10)
Liz,

I am experiencing a technical problem with comments. For example, WordPress won't let me post this fairly innocuous reply on the thread about the 2nd law. I preserve the WordPress formatting.
   
Quote

I'd like to discuss this excerpt from Sewell's ENV piece:
<blockquote>There are some problems, however. While one can certainly define a "poker entropy" as S_p = k_p log (W) and have a nice formula for entropy which increases when probability increases, why should the constant k_p used be equal to the Boltzmann constant k_B? In fact, it is not clear why poker entropy should have units of Joules/degree Kelvin. In the case of thermal entropy, the constant is chosen so that the statistical definition of thermal entropy agrees with the standard macroscopic definition. But there is no standard definition for poker entropy to match, so the constant k_p can be chosen arbitrarily. If we do arbitrarily set k_p = k_B, so that the units match, <strong>it still does not make any sense to add poker entropy and thermal entropy changes to see if the result is positive or not. It is not clear how the fact that thermal entropy is increasing in the rest of the universe makes it easier to get a highly improbable poker hand.</strong> Of course, all these problems also exist with respect to Styer and Bunn's analyses of the entropy associated with evolution; at least with poker entropy we don't have to take wild guesses at the probabilities involved.
</blockquote>
The confusion over the units, while funny, is a minor problem. It's the highlighted two sentences that are most interesting.


On a related note, could you add a thread opening privilege for me as well?

Done.

I still haven't got to the bottom of WordPress logic regarding holding posts for moderation.

But I do check in pretty regularly, and release the hostages asap.

The system does allow control over the flow of Joe G posts, so I'm inclined to put up with it for now.

ETA: I inserted the text of your post above into your "test" post:

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....nt-8988

which neatly allowed me to preserve your authorship :)

Edited by Febble on Mar. 24 2012,15:17

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2012,16:57   

Quote (NormOlsen @ Mar. 24 2012,10:42)
*snip*


You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

This is one of those posts.

Siri, take NormOlson off my Christmas card list and mail him a dog turd.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2012,17:00   

Quote (NormOlsen @ Mar. 24 2012,10:42)
*snip*

You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

This is one of those posts.

Siri, take NormOlsen off my Christmas card list and mail him a dog turd.

Edited to spell name right.

Edited by Richardthughes on Mar. 24 2012,17:01

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2012,17:19   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 24 2012,18:00)
Quote (NormOlsen @ Mar. 24 2012,10:42)
*snip*

You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

This is one of those posts.

Siri, take NormOlsen off my Christmas card list and mail him a dog turd.

Edited to spell name right.

lol?

  
NormOlsen



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2012,18:21   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 24 2012,17:00)
Quote (NormOlsen @ Mar. 24 2012,10:42)
*snip*

You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

This is one of those posts.

Siri, take NormOlsen off my Christmas card list and mail him a dog turd.

Edited to spell name right.

From now on I will call you "rock god", OK?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2012,19:05   

Quote (NormOlsen @ Mar. 24 2012,18:21)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 24 2012,17:00)
Quote (NormOlsen @ Mar. 24 2012,10:42)
*snip*

You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

This is one of those posts.

Siri, take NormOlsen off my Christmas card list and mail him a dog turd.

Edited to spell name right.

From now on I will call you "rock god", OK?

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2012,07:07   

Joe's sandbox seems to have disappeared from the list of threads.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2012,07:54   

Quote (olegt @ Mar. 28 2012,07:07)
Joe's sandbox seems to have disappeared from the list of threads.

It's been turned into a permanent page and got its own link on top of the homepage.

Edited for slightly better grammar.

Edited by Kattarina98 on Mar. 28 2012,07:55

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2012,17:33   

A little dissapointed with Lizzie.

Reproduced here:

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Rich on April 14, 2012 at 11:27 pm said:
I see my post asking Sal about Darwin’s puppy beating has been moved to “Guano” and I take great exception to this. Sal has the audacity to to post about “Rotteness (sic) in Creationism” and yet for many he exemplifies this. Whilst this may be regarded ad ad hominem, we are talking about character and integrity.

Please review:

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....ies.php

and

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....sty.php

So I’d like an answer, what are Sal’s current views on Darwin beating puppies? If you’re going to post on rottenness in creationism, your record is fair game.



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,13:27   

Is there some sort of internationally (or even AtBC_ally) recognized award for public display of herculean patience? If so... Leviathan gets it for the Airfoil Myth replies to Sal Cordova.

-DU-

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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,15:45   

This is why it is folly to give odious douche-bag Sal Cordova a forum:

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y205132

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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,20:43   

Where Sal slithers in, Robert Byers cant be far behind:  
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Modern Creationism has become very effective and famous and progressively taking down the old strongholds of evolutionary error or anything denying the fingerprints of God in nature.

Now if that aint evidence for a multiverse, i dont know what is. Could Byers' presence on Earth be ambassadorial in nature?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2012,09:42   

William J Murray and Sal Cordova are certainly adding a certain flavour to TsZ.

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