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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: April 29 2010,11:23   

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So just in case you are hanging around here, bjray,


Awesome post, Cubist! I think this should be sent to every Creationist/ID group, put before all apologists, handed to any folks entering into a formal or informal debate at any time in place with anyone of the conservative religious perspective, and nailed to the door of every church in the land.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: April 29 2010,17:24   

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I can't say it's never crossed my mind.

I was wondering how that would be Rishathra, I mean unless the scene was from that movie Species or something - then I looked at the path name for that image. :D

  
Badger3k



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(Permalink) Posted: April 29 2010,18:23   

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I forgot - I think Talk Origins was mentioned, but did anyone link to the Index to Creationist Claims site?  It might help if BJray (and others) check there first before spouting the same old tired "arguments".  If they are not there, then post.  If they are, read and learn, please.

Yes. No positive results were noted, but additional trials may be warranted.

They always tell us to reteach if the first attempt doesn't take...

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Paul Flocken



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2010,08:21   

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As a proper example, is it to strong to say that ToE demands a nested heirarchy?

In the absence of significant horizontal transfer of DNA, or hybridization, it's my understanding that the theory definitely implies a nested hierarchy.

Of course, those exceptions do have to be accounted for. Also loss of features in a side branch can complicate things.


And, as if from the heavens, Horizontal gene transfer in Pea Aphids.
Cross posted to the science break thread cuz this is really cool.

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lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: May 01 2010,08:17   

I am going to guess that the semester is about over, and we will not hear from these students again. I'd love to know what other blogs these guys posted on, and what the outcome was.

  
Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2010,08:25   

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I am going to guess that the semester is about over, and we will not hear from these students again. I'd love to know what other blogs these guys posted on, and what the outcome was.

Sigh. I wish I could say I was surprised that bjray lived down to my rather low expectations...

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2010,08:41   

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"Basically, these little red aphids are like little tomatoes," says Moran. While they don't have lycopene, they're full of a red carotenoid.


Look like tomatoes, but taste like chicken.

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2010,12:21   

Quote (lkeithlu @ May 01 2010,06:17)
I am going to guess that the semester is about over, and we will not hear from these students again. I'd love to know what other blogs these guys posted on, and what the outcome was.

Yep. The semester officially ends tomorrow, and the last class day was April 28th. Entirely coincidentally I am sure, bj last posted on April 26th.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2010,12:24   

Well, my realistic hope was that he got to his word count requirement. I'd really like him to have opened his mind, but I'm a realist.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2010,13:27   

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Well, my realistic hope was that he got to his word count requirement. I'd really like him to have opened his mind, but I'm a realist.

You never know...

Years form now, when he's at a Sarah Palin rally, or while shining Glenn Beck's shoes, or helping a Christian Pastor carry his luggage off a plane in Europe, he'll remember what we told him, and maybe he will finally stand up for himself.

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2010,15:09   

We all know how it went down.

BJ sat down with Dr. Dr. , went through the notes and laughed and laughed.

Ha ha!  How predictable are the Evilutionists!  See how they resort to mockery.  See how they put forth their "just so" stories.  See how they are uncivil, basing their pitiful dialog on short, Anglo-Saxon words.  Zounds, what a pack of dogs, nay, curs they be!

You gets an "A" BJ now let us pray.



OK, next chew toy, please.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2010,16:20   

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Quote (lkeithlu @ May 01 2010,06:17)
I am going to guess that the semester is about over, and we will not hear from these students again. I'd love to know what other blogs these guys posted on, and what the outcome was.

Yep. The semester officially ends tomorrow, and the last class day was April 28th. Entirely coincidentally I am sure, bj last posted on April 26th.

Here's the important date he missed:

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Last Day for 100% Tuition Refund       Aug 28  


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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2010,19:40   

Just for grins, I cut-and-pasted all of bjray's posts to this thread into a word processing document and did a wordcount. Including text quoted from other messages and the occasional "Quote (NameOfPoster timestamp)" label, it all adds up to 7,238 words...

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2010,19:47   

7,000 words and zero content?

Pish posh, FL does that in his lunch hour!

Piker.  He'd earn a "C" in my class.

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2010,06:35   

Quote (Doc Bill @ May 06 2010,13:09)
We all know how it went down.

BJ sat down with Dr. Dr. , went through the notes and laughed and laughed.

Ha ha!  How predictable are the Evilutionists!  See how they resort to mockery.  See how they put forth their "just so" stories.  See how they are uncivil, basing their pitiful dialog on short, Anglo-Saxon words.  Zounds, what a pack of dogs, nay, curs they be!

You gets an "A" BJ now let us pray.



OK, next chew toy, please.

I would say that that is as close to right as one can get without being in the room.

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2010,13:22   

Good guesses on bjray.  I'd say you nailed the most likely scenarios.

There's still the one possibility that could go toward bj's credit.  If you were defending the ID faith against the godless haters for Dembski's class, would you dare be caught thinking, even if you were doing it?

I'd say there's virtually no chance of that at all.  You'd fail the class if you didn't repeat the hackneyed IDiot apologetics, which you'd do even if you thought the church-burners were making sense.

Thus I think there's a slim chance that bj is not as hopeless as he(?) seems.  Ancient platitudes are simply all that are allowed in Dembski's assignments, I'll wager.

Glen Davidson

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Badger3k



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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2010,19:22   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ May 07 2010,13:22)
Good guesses on bjray.  I'd say you nailed the most likely scenarios.

There's still the one possibility that could go toward bj's credit.  If you were defending the ID faith against the godless haters for Dembski's class, would you dare be caught thinking, even if you were doing it?

I'd say there's virtually no chance of that at all.  You'd fail the class if you didn't repeat the hackneyed IDiot apologetics, which you'd do even if you thought the church-burners were making sense.

Thus I think there's a slim chance that bj is not as hopeless as he(?) seems.  Ancient platitudes are simply all that are allowed in Dembski's assignments, I'll wager.

Glen Davidson

Interesting point - his posts get reviewed for content, so he has to post the same empty arguments.  Maybe he'll come back in another guise where he may be able to talk freely?

Yeah, probably not.  Still, interesting possibility.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2011,09:13   

Just thought I'd revive this thread, since it's about that time of year.

Give us your best shot ID students.  I'll put in a good word for you with Dr. Dr. if you give a unique (meaning never heard before) argument.

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2011,15:48   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 24 2011,10:13)
Just thought I'd revive this thread, since it's about that time of year.

Give us your best shot ID students.  I'll put in a good word for you with Dr. Dr. if you give a unique (meaning never heard before) argument.

Unlikely there will be many takers, DDrr.. Dembski is not teaching Philo 4483 this semester.
http://www.swbts.edu/index.c....0415379

Click through at the bottom of the page to Dembski's course schedule.

Bonus points for finding WmAD in the photo at the top of the page!

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2011,16:04   

Quote (dvunkannon @ Mar. 25 2011,15:48)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 24 2011,10:13)
Just thought I'd revive this thread, since it's about that time of year.

Give us your best shot ID students.  I'll put in a good word for you with Dr. Dr. if you give a unique (meaning never heard before) argument.

Unlikely there will be many takers, DDrr.. Dembski is not teaching Philo 4483 this semester.
http://www.swbts.edu/index.c....0415379

Click through at the bottom of the page to Dembski's course schedule.

Bonus points for finding WmAD in the photo at the top of the page!

Dvunk - Thanks for the link, and I did spot the good Dr. Dr.!  He's the dufus in the black hat. :)

In looking more closely at the picture, I do not believe you could simulate this group anywhere else in the western world.  Where else but in a True God Fearing Environment ™ could you expect to see so many PhD Frocks... and so few women.  Maybe Iran?  Saudi Arabia?

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2011,16:16   

Quote (dvunkannon @ Mar. 25 2011,16:48)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 24 2011,10:13)
Just thought I'd revive this thread, since it's about that time of year.

Give us your best shot ID students.  I'll put in a good word for you with Dr. Dr. if you give a unique (meaning never heard before) argument.

Unlikely there will be many takers, DDrr.. Dembski is not teaching Philo 4483 this semester.
http://www.swbts.edu/index.c....0415379

Click through at the bottom of the page to Dembski's course schedule.

Bonus points for finding WmAD in the photo at the top of the page!

What is it about religion and funny/strange hats?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2011,16:27   

Quote (khan @ Mar. 25 2011,16:16)
Quote (dvunkannon @ Mar. 25 2011,16:48)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 24 2011,10:13)
Just thought I'd revive this thread, since it's about that time of year.

Give us your best shot ID students.  I'll put in a good word for you with Dr. Dr. if you give a unique (meaning never heard before) argument.

Unlikely there will be many takers, DDrr.. Dembski is not teaching Philo 4483 this semester.
http://www.swbts.edu/index.c....0415379

Click through at the bottom of the page to Dembski's course schedule.

Bonus points for finding WmAD in the photo at the top of the page!

What is it about religion and funny/strange hats?

Notice how he teaches ID in ....Philosophy of Religion

not science then, Dr^2?

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2011,07:41   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2011,16:27)
Quote (khan @ Mar. 25 2011,16:16)
Quote (dvunkannon @ Mar. 25 2011,16:48)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 24 2011,10:13)
Just thought I'd revive this thread, since it's about that time of year.

Give us your best shot ID students.  I'll put in a good word for you with Dr. Dr. if you give a unique (meaning never heard before) argument.

Unlikely there will be many takers, DDrr.. Dembski is not teaching Philo 4483 this semester.
http://www.swbts.edu/index.c....0415379

Click through at the bottom of the page to Dembski's course schedule.

Bonus points for finding WmAD in the photo at the top of the page!

What is it about religion and funny/strange hats?

Notice how he teaches ID in ....Philosophy of Religion

not science then, Dr^2?

He will be so ready for The Next Dover Trial!

Your honor, I'd like to call my next witness...

Dr. Dembski, good morning, and I must say that is a truly striking and unique sweater!  

Isn't it true Dr. Dembski that you teach at a religious institution called a Seminary?

And isn't it true Dr. Dembski that the "ID" class that you teach at this Seminary is taught not as part of a science curiculum, but as a philosophy class?

Dr. Dembski, isn't the food especially good at the Baylor University cafeteria?

Dr. Dembski, could you please tell the court how the sales of your books have been recently at Church Basements?

Dr. Dembski, what is it about you and Fridays?

Dr. Dembski, would you like to borrow my hankerchief?

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2011,08:01   

Quote (dvunkannon @ Mar. 25 2011,21:48)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 24 2011,10:13)
Just thought I'd revive this thread, since it's about that time of year.

Give us your best shot ID students.  I'll put in a good word for you with Dr. Dr. if you give a unique (meaning never heard before) argument.

Unlikely there will be many takers, DDrr.. Dembski is not teaching Philo 4483 this semester.
http://www.swbts.edu/index.c....0415379

Click through at the bottom of the page to Dembski's course schedule.

Bonus points for finding WmAD in the photo at the top of the page!



I'd say 4th from the right, top row (the kinda lonely head), left to the tanned guy...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2011,09:18   

Quote (dvunkannon @ Mar. 25 2011,15:48)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 24 2011,10:13)
Just thought I'd revive this thread, since it's about that time of year.

Give us your best shot ID students.  I'll put in a good word for you with Dr. Dr. if you give a unique (meaning never heard before) argument.

Unlikely there will be many takers, DDrr.. Dembski is not teaching Philo 4483 this semester.
http://www.swbts.edu/index.c....0415379

Click through at the bottom of the page to Dembski's course schedule.

Bonus points for finding WmAD in the photo at the top of the page!

I see that Dembski's CV still lists Being as Communion as being in the "Books in Preparation" category. This is the non-book for which Dr. Dr. received a Templeton grant back in 2000. He apparently attempted a bait-and-switch, representing No Free Lunch as fulfillment of the Templeton agreement. Here's what a Templeton guy said in 2007:
 
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In 2002, Dembski published No Free Lunch and requested a second installation payment on the Book Grant from the Templeton Foundation (Dembski, 2002).  In correspondence with him, he was told by me that this book did not fulfill his obligation to publish a work on metaphysics and theology as detailed in his book proposal entitled Being as Communion.  That book has still not been produced.

After reading that, I sent an email message to the alleged publisher asking about the target publication date. They responded thusly:
 
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The title "Being as Communion" is not yet published.  It will be published in both a paperback edition & cloth edition.  The title has an anticipated publication date of June 2008.

I also emailed Dembski, asking him the same question. His response:
 
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It'll be a while. Stay tuned. --WmAD


After June 2008 came and went, I re-queried the publisher and received no response.

Can I stop staying tuned now?   :O

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