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Bebbo



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2009,14:10   

Quote (Bueller_007 @ Jan. 08 2009,13:54)
My reply (as TheYellowShark) to Dembski's latest pile of tard is "awaiting moderation".

Let's see if it gets past the filters.

 
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   (3) Is it a coincidence that the world’s leading atheist is also a pathological Darwinist?

Dawkins has admitted numerous times that his acceptance of evolutionary theory led him to become an atheist.

Now ask yourself:
Is it a coincidence that the world’s leading ID proponent is an evangelical Christian? And ask yourself which view you adopted first, and which formed the basis for the other. (I’ve read your bio. I know.)

By the way, didn’t you say you were going to try to limit discussion on UD to intelligent design? With no more religion/atheism, global warming, or politics?

Dembski asks:

"(1) What exactly is the probability that there is no God?"

Well, let's see. God has got to be much more complex than a flagellum and according to you the chance of a flagellum appearing randomly is too small to consider possible. So I guess the probability that there is a God is something like "jack shit". The probability of no God is thus 1 - jack shit.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2009,14:14   

RickToews (which sounds like some kind of foot disease) demonstrates why fundies should never be trusted:
   
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In the absence of a transcendent directive to “love your neighbor as yourself,” is it not patently obvious that it’s a fool’s errand to respect the other guy’s interests if doing so interferes with one’s own?

(If YOU want to be a starry-eyed idealist and follow “noble” values “for the greater good,” then bully for you; I see no personal advantage in that for me–and if all I can hope for is the here and now, I’ll be switched if I’m going to concern myself with the good of nameless others rather than my own enjoyment, when there’s no ultimate meaning to it anyway.)


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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2009,14:43   

Quote (Bebbo @ Jan. 08 2009,14:10)
Quote (Bueller_007 @ Jan. 08 2009,13:54)
My reply (as TheYellowShark) to Dembski's latest pile of tard is "awaiting moderation".

Let's see if it gets past the filters.

   
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   (3) Is it a coincidence that the world’s leading atheist is also a pathological Darwinist?

Dawkins has admitted numerous times that his acceptance of evolutionary theory led him to become an atheist.

Now ask yourself:
Is it a coincidence that the world’s leading ID proponent is an evangelical Christian? And ask yourself which view you adopted first, and which formed the basis for the other. (I’ve read your bio. I know.)

By the way, didn’t you say you were going to try to limit discussion on UD to intelligent design? With no more religion/atheism, global warming, or politics?

Dembski asks:

"(1) What exactly is the probability that there is no God?"

Well, let's see. God has got to be much more complex than a flagellum and according to you the chance of a flagellum appearing randomly is too small to consider possible. So I guess the probability that there is a God is something like "jack shit". The probability of no God is thus 1 - jack shit.

It's called the Nixplanatory Filter for a reason dude...

I'll bet you Dembski's bottle of single-malt that your attempt to bring some reality to UD by getting past the Nixplanatory Filter is the same as Dave's success in attempting to swear off Cheesy Poofs forever.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2009,16:30   

Kairosfocus, in a rare moment of clarity:
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In short, enough has been said, long since.


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dmso74



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2009,17:40   

Thank you Sal Gal:

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he problem for most ID fans is that they have no appreciation for how much more rigorous actual science is than even college textbooks, let alone the popular science literature.



Testify!

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2009,17:58   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Jan. 08 2009,15:14)
RickToews (which sounds like some kind of foot disease) demonstrates why fundies should never be trusted:
   
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In the absence of a transcendent directive to “love your neighbor as yourself,” is it not patently obvious that it’s a fool’s errand to respect the other guy’s interests if doing so interferes with one’s own?

(If YOU want to be a starry-eyed idealist and follow “noble” values “for the greater good,” then bully for you; I see no personal advantage in that for me–and if all I can hope for is the here and now, I’ll be switched if I’m going to concern myself with the good of nameless others rather than my own enjoyment, when there’s no ultimate meaning to it anyway.)

The "I'm an utter asshole, fortunately belief in god keeps me in line" statement always amazes me. Not only are you calling yourself an asshole, you're indicting your parents, because they must not have raised you right.

   
khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2009,18:04   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 08 2009,18:58)
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Jan. 08 2009,15:14)
RickToews (which sounds like some kind of foot disease) demonstrates why fundies should never be trusted:
     
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In the absence of a transcendent directive to “love your neighbor as yourself,” is it not patently obvious that it’s a fool’s errand to respect the other guy’s interests if doing so interferes with one’s own?

(If YOU want to be a starry-eyed idealist and follow “noble” values “for the greater good,” then bully for you; I see no personal advantage in that for me–and if all I can hope for is the here and now, I’ll be switched if I’m going to concern myself with the good of nameless others rather than my own enjoyment, when there’s no ultimate meaning to it anyway.)

The "I'm an utter asshole, fortunately belief in god keeps me in line" statement always amazes me. Not only are you calling yourself an asshole, you're indicting your parents, because they must not have raised you right.

It does pop up with discouraging regularity.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2009,19:45   

DaveScot

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DaveScot

01/08/2009

9:02 am

Sal Gal

SETI says nothing along the lines that the “fingerprint of intelligence” can be detected in a signal

That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard someone pretending to be generally informed in science say in a quite a while.

SETI stands for Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence. If they don’t think they can detect an intelligence what the bloody hell have they been spending money doing for the last 40 years? Like DUH!


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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2009,21:18   

Quote (khan @ Jan. 08 2009,16:04)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 08 2009,18:58)
 
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Jan. 08 2009,15:14)
RickToews (which sounds like some kind of foot disease) demonstrates why fundies should never be trusted:
       
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In the absence of a transcendent directive to “love your neighbor as yourself,” is it not patently obvious that it’s a fool’s errand to respect the other guy’s interests if doing so interferes with one’s own?

(If YOU want to be a starry-eyed idealist and follow “noble” values “for the greater good,” then bully for you; I see no personal advantage in that for me–and if all I can hope for is the here and now, I’ll be switched if I’m going to concern myself with the good of nameless others rather than my own enjoyment, when there’s no ultimate meaning to it anyway.)

The "I'm an utter asshole, fortunately belief in god keeps me in line" statement always amazes me. Not only are you calling yourself an asshole, you're indicting your parents, because they must not have raised you right.

It does pop up with discouraging regularity.

That's not the amazing thing. The amazing thing is that they *brag* about only being kept from being amoral predatory scumbags by the threat of cosmic punishment. I'm not clear why they think this reflects well on them.

Second most amazing thing: they always reserve their worst contempt for people who behave well without threats from the Invisible Sky Monster:

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If YOU want to be a starry-eyed idealist and follow “noble” values “for the greater good,” then bully for you;


Wow. Making fun of idealism, noble values and caring about the greater good. ID gets the fans it deserves.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2009,21:51   

yeah. when you go to comment at UD, there should be a checkbox.

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EULA:
The Terms of Service (TOS) of commenting at Uncommon descent is that you must be as dumb as you are assholey.

(box) I ACCEPT these terms.
(box) I DO NOT ACCEPT these terms.

   
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2009,22:55   

I am trapped:
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You are attempting to log out of Uncommon Descent

Please try again.


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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2009,23:14   

Quote (sparc @ Jan. 08 2009,22:55)
I am trapped:        
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You are attempting to log out of Uncommon Descent

Please try again.

Oh no - you could be trapped in there all night. Think what damage this could do to your IQ! My advice - concentrate, concentrate; keep pushing against the tardflow. Whatever you do don't stop thinking.

Good luck sparc, we're thinking of you.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2009,23:30   

Quote (sparc @ Jan. 08 2009,23:55)
I am trapped:  
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You are attempting to log out of Uncommon Descent

Please try again.

LOL. Butthead voice:

"Uh...what?"

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2009,23:33   

Quote (sparc @ Jan. 08 2009,20:55)
I am trapped:
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You are attempting to log out of Uncommon Descent

Please try again.

Post a comment about how Darwin was a cross-dresser and it will let you out.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2009,23:38   

A puppy-beating cross-dresser, nonetheless. Multi-faceted threat to family values, that guy.

   
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,00:35   

Quote (keiths @ Jan. 08 2009,23:33)
Quote (sparc @ Jan. 08 2009,20:55)
I am trapped:
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You are attempting to log out of Uncommon Descent

Please try again.

Post a comment about how Darwin was a cross-dresser and it will let you out.

Or that Dembski is a cross-dresser.  That'll get you out quickly and permanently.

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,00:43   

A couple more highlights from the atheist bus thread:

Borne goes for our irony-meters
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As a side note, I too find it rather disturbing to see an ad for the God who wasn’t there on this site.

Yet another piece of idiotic, sciolist hubris that depends upon complete ignorance in it’s listeners to get by without scathing rebuke.

The authors of that piece of tripe ought to be tarred and feathered.

Dan Brown must have something to do with that - or is it the illuminati? ;-)

Then BarryA responds to Sal Gal pointing out that the Golden Rule was first stated by Confucius:
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Barry Arrington

01/08/2009

10:59 pm

Sal Gal notes that Confucius stated a version of the Golden Rule before Christ and says “Eastern ethics do not come from on high.”

Two errors in one brief sentence. First, there is no such thing as “eastern ethics.” There is only “ethics.” Ethics transcend both time and place. Secondly, ethics transcend time and place because they have a transcendent source, God.

“All truth is God’s truth” Thomas Aquinas said. Should it surprise us that wise men throughout the ages apprehend and express that truth?

Christianity is not unique in its ethics. The ethic taught by Christ is indeed the same ethic taught to a lesser degree of perfection by many wise men. Christianity is unique among religions not because Christ taught a different or new ethic. It is unique because unlike the founder of any other religion, Christ is God.


Which is not the usual use of the Goddidit argument.  But Mentok provides the coupé de grace
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mentok

01/08/2009

11:31 pm

Barry

Many Hindu traditions consider their traditions to have been founded by God in human form.


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,01:11   

Barry is going to prove a harder opponent than Dembski. We're going to have a harder time suppressing our responses "goddammit you retard why don't you learn a little science" etc. Being a good AtBC commenter will require more Zen tranquility than most of us can muster.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,05:49   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 09 2009,07:11)
Barry is going to prove a harder opponent than Dembski. We're going to have a harder time suppressing our responses "goddammit you retard why don't you learn a little science" etc. Being a good AtBC commenter will require more Zen tranquility than most of us can muster.

I AM FUCKING TRANQUIL YOU BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!11111oneoneoneeleven!!!!""!""!"£!221111!!!!

Louis

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,06:10   

Louis, you should try subtlety sometime. It can be fun. Don't worry if it sails right over the other guy's head, it's the same amount of entertainment for you. :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,06:44   

Sean Devine uses information theory to criticize William Dembski's arguments. Devine offers that algorithmic information theory tests do everything that needs doing with respect to "eliminating chance".

It's nice to have other people saying it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,06:57   

It's Groundhog Day at UD.  Posts and comments from last night are gone from the front page (they are still in the system).  The first comment is marked 9:39 am yesterday.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,07:50   

Read my book.
 
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By the way, Prof. Fuller, (semi off-topic here)…
I sent you Ch. 1 (actually, Act 1) of the draft of my next novel, Jake Killjoy, P.I., in: Dial D for Darwin. Have you had a chance to read it?


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,08:52   

Quote (BWE @ Jan. 09 2009,12:10)
Louis, you should try subtlety sometime. It can be fun. Don't worry if it sails right over the other guy's head, it's the same amount of entertainment for you. :)

Meh, subtlety is overrated, I do it all the time and no one ever notices. Smugness is not an emotion I enjoy.

Now sarcasm.....oh I loves me some sarcasm.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,09:14   

My atheist bus comment that Clive will never let see the light of day at UD -

Even if you accept that "eastern ethics" come from God, they are not being taught in the name of God. The point stands that the Golden Rule can form the basis for human relations, independent of its source.

Why is there social and altruistic behavior in nature, outside of human society? At the very least, those same principles can operate within human society. A human is not a virus.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,10:21   

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“All truth is God’s truth” Thomas Aquinas said. Should it surprise us that wise men throughout the ages apprehend and express that truth?

-BarryA


Wow. Truth belongs to God, so anything that's true is by definition Christian in origin. Even if it happened before Christ.

I suppose this is technically a valid logical argument, but any objective observer can see how arbitrary, unverifiable, and suspiciously convenient the premise of this argument is. Yet BarryA delivers this rebuttal with condescension and arrogant sarcasm, as though he is proud to have so thorougly embarrassed his opponent with facts and logic.

UD is just a depressing place sometimes. Sometimes it's no longer amusing, or frustrating. Just depressing.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,10:35   

Quote (Louis @ Jan. 09 2009,08:52)
Quote (BWE @ Jan. 09 2009,12:10)
Louis, you should try subtlety sometime. It can be fun. Don't worry if it sails right over the other guy's head, it's the same amount of entertainment for you. :)

Meh, subtlety is overrated, I do it all the time and no one ever notices. Smugness is not an emotion I enjoy.

Now sarcasm.....oh I loves me some sarcasm.

Louis

Wow. You almost ruined it for there. I had to take minute and get comfy with feeling smug. :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,13:15   

BarryA can't make up his mind about the bus ads. Are they "just silly" or are they one of the gravest sins imaginable, roughly equivalent to deliberately drowning children?

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,14:54   

Quote (BWE @ Jan. 09 2009,16:35)
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 09 2009,08:52)
Quote (BWE @ Jan. 09 2009,12:10)
Louis, you should try subtlety sometime. It can be fun. Don't worry if it sails right over the other guy's head, it's the same amount of entertainment for you. :)

Meh, subtlety is overrated, I do it all the time and no one ever notices. Smugness is not an emotion I enjoy.

Now sarcasm.....oh I loves me some sarcasm.

Louis

Wow. You almost ruined it for there. I had to take minute and get comfy with feeling smug. :)

You're welcome.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,15:04   

OMG.  On the bus ads thread:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism....-301659
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mohammed.husain

01/09/2009

3:47 pm

How do you think Atheism and Darwinism have contributed to the blatant disregard for human life on the part of the Israelis in their massacre of Palestinians in Gaza?

Should we be speaking here of judaeo-fascism or American fascism for our blatant support of terror? A death toll, of over 800, more than 3,000 injured, and more than 300 women and children. And silence. Not a word.

Are Palestinians exempt from human dignity? Have they not evolved far enough as us Western people?

Isn’t it time to be objective. I’m sure Jesus would condemn this terror

That won't last long. But what has atheism to do with a Jewish state?

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