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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2010,18:44   

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,18:21)
Bill Dembski sums up the creation-evolution wars of the last 20 years:
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When I got into this business 20 years ago, I thought that any Christian (and indeed theist), given good evidence against evolution (again, a materialistic understanding of it) would be happy to trash it and move to some form of intelligent design (whether special creation or intelligent evolution). But thats not happened. Theistic evolutionists now make common cause with atheistic evolutionists specifically against ID. ID has become public enemy number one for both atheistic and theistic evolutionists (the recent spate of books by both sides confirms this point).

The practical effect of this is that not just the mainstream academy but the mainstream Christian academy (Wheaton College, Calvin College, Seattle Pacific University, etc. most of the schools in the CCCU) have now closed their doors to ID and to hiring faculty that explicitly support it. Were therefore on our own. This may seem like a bad thing (it sure would be nice to be invited to those wine-and-cheese parties at the Templeton Foundation), but I submit it is a good thing. It keeps us honest. We dont have to play nice with Darwin because our livelihoods are at stake. Moreover, it will make the ultimate victory of ID all that much sweeter.


I quite sincerely pity him. 20 years down the drain.

Bitter, party of one?  You can pick up your crap sandwich at the backdoor.

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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2010,19:07   

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 25 2010,13:21)
Bill Dembski sums up the creation-evolution wars of the last 20 years:
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When I got into this business 20 years ago, I thought that any Christian (and indeed theist), given good evidence against evolution (again, a materialistic understanding of it) would be happy to trash it and move to some form of intelligent design (whether special creation or intelligent evolution). But thats not happened. Theistic evolutionists now make common cause with atheistic evolutionists specifically against ID. ID has become public enemy number one for both atheistic and theistic evolutionists (the recent spate of books by both sides confirms this point).

The practical effect of this is that not just the mainstream academy but the mainstream Christian academy (Wheaton College, Calvin College, Seattle Pacific University, etc. most of the schools in the CCCU) have now closed their doors to ID and to hiring faculty that explicitly support it. Were therefore on our own. This may seem like a bad thing (it sure would be nice to be invited to those wine-and-cheese parties at the Templeton Foundation), but I submit it is a good thing. It keeps us honest. We dont have to play nice with Darwin because our livelihoods are at stake. Moreover, it will make the ultimate victory of ID all that much sweeter.


I quite sincerely pity him. 20 years down the drain.

You missed the last part - he'll be doing the pitying eventually - it'll be a real Waterloo.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2010,19:32   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 24 2010,18:44)
Bitter, party of one? You can pick up your crap sandwich at the backdoor.

LOL!!!!!!! 111!!!  Beautiful line... !!!!! 1111

Can we start a new award?  One-Liner Of The Week?

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2010,20:59   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Feb. 23 2010,01:40)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 22 2010,21:55)
Hayden / Chesterton quote / everyone take one sip of vodka..

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-348599

I don't know just what was in the bite of sausage I just washed down with a few ounces of beer. I rather not to know too specifically.

But, I think Ill have another bite.

Puts me in the mind of Scrapple. I grew up in Philly, eating the stuff regularly, and love it. I often joke:

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At the meat-packing plant, at the end of the day, they squeegee up the floor and the left-overs are what they make the next day's hot dogs from. When they squeegee up the floor the next day, the left-overs from that are what they make scrapple from.


I guess I could say "I don't care", but the reality is I don't want to know.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2010,21:01   

Quote (sledgehammer @ Feb. 23 2010,01:29)
 
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We do not know enough about the unknown to know that it is unknowable.
~G. K. Chesterton

I wonder if they realize that that totally burns the "Explanatory Filter" to the ground.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2010,21:12   

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,19:21)
Bill Dembski sums up the creation-evolution wars of the last 20 years:
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When I got into this business 20 years ago, I thought that any Christian (and indeed theist), given good evidence against evolution (again, a materialistic understanding of it) would be happy to trash it and move to some form of intelligent design (whether special creation or intelligent evolution). But thats not happened. Theistic evolutionists now make common cause with atheistic evolutionists specifically against ID. ID has become public enemy number one for both atheistic and theistic evolutionists (the recent spate of books by both sides confirms this point).

The practical effect of this is that not just the mainstream academy but the mainstream Christian academy (Wheaton College, Calvin College, Seattle Pacific University, etc. most of the schools in the CCCU) have now closed their doors to ID and to hiring faculty that explicitly support it. Were therefore on our own. This may seem like a bad thing (it sure would be nice to be invited to those wine-and-cheese parties at the Templeton Foundation), but I submit it is a good thing. It keeps us honest. We dont have to play nice with Darwin because our livelihoods are at stake. Moreover, it will make the ultimate victory of ID all that much sweeter.


I quite sincerely pity him. 20 years down the drain.

...or even just the cafeteria at Baylor?

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Lou FCD is still in school, so we should only count him as a baby biologist. -carlsonjok -deprecated
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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,00:39   

Why do I have this image of Steve Martin in The Jerk

"Well I'm gonna to go then. And I don't need any of this. I don't need this stuff, and I don't need you. I don't need anything except this.
[picks up an ashtray]
And that's it and that's the only thing I need, is this. I don't need this or this. Just this ashtray. And this paddle game, the ashtray and the paddle game and that's all I need. And this remote control. The ashtray, the paddle game, and the remote control, and that's all I need. And these matches. The ashtray, and these matches, and the remote control and the paddle ball. And this lamp. The ashtray, this paddle game and the remote control and the lamp and that's all I need. And that's all I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one - I need this. The paddle game, and the chair, and the remote control, and the matches, for sure. And this. And that's all I need. The ashtray, the remote control, the paddle game, this magazine and the chair.
[walking outside]
And I don't need one other thing, except my dog.
[dog barks]
I don't need my dog.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,01:01   

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,16:21)
Bill Dembski sums up the creation-evolution wars of the last 20 years:
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We dont have to play nice with Darwin because our livelihoods are at stake. Moreover, it will make the ultimate victory of ID all that much sweeter.

Along with his bitterness and feigned over-confidence, he sure has a vindictive streak. Creepy. No wonder he never gets invited to the "Wine and cheese parties at the Templeton Foundation". Who would want to have to listen to this kind of whining?

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,02:22   

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When I got into this business 20 years ago, I thought that any Christian (and indeed theist), given good evidence against evolution (again, a materialistic understanding of it)

Poor Bill. Referring to ID as a 'business' (you know more about that part of it than me) and being explicit about what ID is: perceived evidence against 'materialistic' evolution. 20 years wasted that could have been spent researching evidence for "ID" - whatever that's supposed to be.

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MichaelJ



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,04:34   

Shouldn't that last line read

Moreover, I will make it to the ultimate victory of ID in that  sweater.

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,06:58   

Rude sucks up:  
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Absolutely well put! The genius of IDs leaders is a godsend that continues to amaze.

I'm a little amazed by the genius of ID's leaders too.

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,07:16   

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2010,18:21)
Bill Dembski sums up the creation-evolution wars of the last 20 years:
 
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When I got into this business 20 years ago, I thought that any Christian (and indeed theist), given good evidence against evolution (again, a materialistic understanding of it) would be happy to trash it and move to some form of intelligent design (whether special creation or intelligent evolution). But thats not happened. Theistic evolutionists now make common cause with atheistic evolutionists specifically against ID. ID has become public enemy number one for both atheistic and theistic evolutionists (the recent spate of books by both sides confirms this point).

The practical effect of this is that not just the mainstream academy but the mainstream Christian academy (Wheaton College, Calvin College, Seattle Pacific University, etc. most of the schools in the CCCU) have now closed their doors to ID and to hiring faculty that explicitly support it. Were therefore on our own. This may seem like a bad thing (it sure would be nice to be invited to those wine-and-cheese parties at the Templeton Foundation), but I submit it is a good thing. It keeps us honest. We dont have to play nice with Darwin because our livelihoods are at stake. Moreover, it will make the ultimate victory of ID all that much sweeter.


I quite sincerely pity him. 20 years down the drain.

It occurred to me that this quote by Dr2 WmAD has a certain John Davison feel to it: "Everybody hates me, therefore I must be right!"

Granted, Dembski hasn't started closing all his posts with a catchphrase, but give him another 20 years and he'll be loving it so, too.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,09:14   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 25 2010,06:58)
Rude sucks up:
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Absolutely well put! The genius of IDs leaders is a godsend that continues to amaze.

I'm a little amazed by the genius of ID's leaders too.

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The scientific revolution was a singular phenomenon that broke with this aspect of the human conditionand in no small part because of a few fearless individuals and a broader public inspired by those Abrahamic faiths.


There was, early on, a fearless faith that science would vindicate the Genesis account of creation. That turned to fear when it didn't.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,10:39   

CeilingCat,

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I'm a little amazed by the genius of ID's leaders too.


Did you mean genus rather than genius? ;)

Henry

  
didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,13:36   

Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 25 2010,08:39)
CeilingCat,

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I'm a little amazed by the genius of ID's leaders too.


Did you mean genus rather than genius? ;)

Henry

No it's definitely genius.  A genius for unintentional comedy, but, damn it, that counts!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,14:45   

Quote (didymos @ Feb. 25 2010,13:36)
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 25 2010,08:39)
CeilingCat,

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I'm a little amazed by the genius of ID's leaders too.


Did you mean genus rather than genius? ;)

Henry

No it's definitely genius. A genius for unintentional comedy, but, damn it, that counts!

Yes! Old guy with bad sweater slipping on banana peel, is always good for a laugh or two! It's why ID is referred to as The Benny Hill of Sciencey Stuff.


added in edit:  And to make the analogy even better, they're both dead now too!

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steve_h



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,16:43   

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Premise 1: If atheism is true, then so is Darwinian evolution.
Premise 2: But if ID is true, then Darwinian evolution is false.
Premise 3: ID is true (the controversial premise).
Conclus 1: Therefore Darwinian evolution is false (modus ponents applied to Premises 2 and 3)
Conclus 2: Therefore atheism is false (modus tollens applied to Premise 1 and Conclus 1)

IOW Dembski proves that:

ID, if true (controversial), implies that God(s) exist.

Hmmm IIRC, ID does not require a deity; It could be aliens.

 
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It keeps us honest.

I have no problem with "It".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,17:15   

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Premise 2: But if ID is true, then Darwinian evolution is false.

I've never really understood that presumed implication - it seems to be the assumption that an unknown designer would be unable to use evolution as a mechanism, which conflicts with the attributes usually associated with G-designer-OD.

Henry

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,17:37   

Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 25 2010,18:15)
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Premise 2: But if ID is true, then Darwinian evolution is false.

I've never really understood that presumed implication - it seems to be the assumption that an unknown designer would be unable to use evolution as a mechanism, which conflicts with the attributes usually associated with G-designer-OD.

Henry

Or that Darwinian processes and design exactly as pipe-dreamed by ID could not co-exist, or even compete.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,17:41   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 25 2010,15:37)
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 25 2010,18:15)
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Premise 2: But if ID is true, then Darwinian evolution is false.

I've never really understood that presumed implication - it seems to be the assumption that an unknown designer would be unable to use evolution as a mechanism, which conflicts with the attributes usually associated with G-designer-OD.

Henry

Or that Darwinian processes and design exactly as pipe-dreamed by ID could not co-exist, or even compete.

re premise 1, so what?

If evolution is a fact, it doesn't mean there is no God.

Boneheads.

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REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,18:57   

Dr. D asks a dangerous question:

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I'm trying to determine which Christian faculty would be regarded as absolutely tops in their respective disciplines but which would also be completely up front about their Christian worldview. Who would be on your top ten list? Of those on the list, how many would be supporters of or at least sympathetic to ID?

Please think objectively about these questions. ID is a hot button topic. Leave aside UDs bias in favor of ID. Please limit your candidates to English-speaking countries. Thanks.


Is he looking to expand the 'Big tent'?  Giving up on ID, and going for the Christian/Atheist 'Wedge'?

I expect replies to be hilarious.

So far they don't disappoint

I won't bash people who are more accomplished than I, but Sal's got a  96 year old,  a few legit picks, and an automotive engineer....

Second post has a climate-denier I've never even heard of.

  
Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:37   

Quote (REC @ Feb. 26 2010,13:57)
Second post has a climate-denier I've never even heard of.

DLH is a long time denizen - he's actually got posting privileges. He's been denying evolution and climate change reality since at least 2007:
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> 400 Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming: US Senate Report


While I'm here, does anyone know who clivecopus is? Whoever they are they don't know how to write a headline without a glaring typo in the middle* (hi Denyse!) or provide a functioning hyperlink.

*Just what is a Pius X11?

Edited - stupid typo

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REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,19:57   

Well, I guess if his field is denial, he's at the top of it.....

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,20:07   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 25 2010,17:37)

*Just what is a Pius X11?


Looks like a model of car, with those ones in there: "Introducing the new Pius X-Eleven..."

ETA: Here's the best part:

 
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Does anyone else share my concern?


and right below that:

 
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One Response


and it's from Allen MacNeill, who doesn't even bother, and instead just throws out a link to another encyclical an address from John Paul II:

 
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http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm


LOL

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,21:30   

Quote (REC @ Feb. 25 2010,18:57)
Dr. D asks a dangerous question:

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I'm trying to determine which Christian faculty would be regarded as absolutely tops in their respective disciplines but which would also be completely up front about their Christian worldview. Who would be on your top ten list? Of those on the list, how many would be supporters of or at least sympathetic to ID?

Please think objectively about these questions. ID is a hot button topic. Leave aside UDs bias in favor of ID. Please limit your candidates to English-speaking countries. Thanks.


Is he looking to expand the 'Big tent'? Giving up on ID, and going for the Christian/Atheist 'Wedge'?

I expect replies to be hilarious.

So far they don't disappoint

I won't bash people who are more accomplished than I, but Sal's got a 96 year old, a few legit picks, and an automotive engineer....

Second post has a climate-denier I've never even heard of.

Perhaps a sock with priveleges could pass on this list:

Dr. Hugh Jass - University of Butte
Dr. Jack Inhoffe - Oiler University  
Dr. John A Davidson - Univeristy of Uranus
Dr. David Scott - USMC - ret / Expert of friggin' everthing
Dr. Al Choholic - Univeristy of Guinness
Dr. I.P. Freely - Catheter U
Dr. Jaques Strop - University of Montreal

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,21:53   

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When I got into this business 20 years ago, I thought that any Christian (and indeed theist), given good evidence against evolution (again, a materialistic understanding of it) would be happy to trash it and move to some form of intelligent design (whether special creation or intelligent evolution). But thats not happened. Theistic evolutionists now make common cause with atheistic evolutionists specifically against ID. ID has become public enemy number one for both atheistic and theistic evolutionists (the recent spate of books by both sides confirms this point).  The practical effect of this is that not just the mainstream academy but the mainstream Christian academy (Wheaton College, Calvin College, Seattle Pacific University, etc. most of the schools in the CCCU) have now closed their doors to ID and to hiring faculty that explicitly support it. Were therefore on our own. This may seem like a bad thing (it sure would be nice to be invited to those wine-and-cheese parties at the Templeton Foundation), but I submit it is a good thing. It keeps us honest. We dont have to play nice with Darwin because our livelihoods are at stake. Moreover, it will make the ultimate victory of ID all that much sweeter.
 The level of insanity in that is just stunning (as others have noted).  The conviction that his crappy arguments will win is charmingly delusional.  The idea that they could start to play less nicely with Darwinism is laughable.  The fact that he aspires to wine and cheese parties at the Templeton Foundation is pathetic (unless they have really really really good cheese, I suppose).  His ideas are so gosh-awful that not even Wheaton and Baylor and SPU want to be associated with them, and theistic evolutionists don't want to be seen in his company.  He thinks he's in a business (well, given his books, I guess there's no business like snow business).  And the saddest, funniest thing of all, he answers his own question and still doesn't get it: his natural supporters would have been thrilled to go along with his ideas if only they'd been given some good evidence.  Even one little suspicion of a hint of a suggestion of a good idea would probably have done it.  Instead, they've got Dembski, and Denyse and Behe and Sal and DaveScot and so on.

Still there's plenty of good news for the good Dr. Dr. - when the most impressive achievement in your professional life is adding a gas-attack sound track to a bad animation of a federal judge, there's still plenty of opportunity for improvement and a new personal best.  

Almost anything involving a whoopie cushion, to offer just one suggestion.

  
REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,22:13   

Quote (didymos @ Feb. 25 2010,20:07)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 25 2010,17:37)

*Just what is a Pius X11?


Looks like a model of car, with those ones in there: "Introducing the new Pius X-Eleven..."

ETA: Here's the best part:

 
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Does anyone else share my concern?


and right below that:

 
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One Response


and it's from Allen MacNeill, who doesn't even bother, and instead just throws out a link to another encyclical an address from John Paul II:

 
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http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm


LOL


Going all the way back to Pius XII (of the Nazi Reichskonkordat fame) is a bit suspicious. It is at this point ultraconservative Catholics claim the "official" Popes are anti-popes, with the real lineage passing through Giuseppe Siri and his successors in SSPX/Opus Dei/whatever they call themselves now (which had been excommunicated, but are being increasingly forgiven, and given their own hierarchies suggesting a switch in power)*.

This makes me think the poster may have little regard for Vatican II and the recent Popes.

After all, John Paul II was a liberal heretic, and Benedict XVI a lying freemason imposter:

Link1

Link2

Therefore his statement on not disregarding Papal Letters may be valid, depending on who he thinks is a Pope....

*:Growing up Catholic, I always found the bizarre cloak and dagger / buried in the archives of the Vatican library stuff more interesting than the theology.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,22:38   

Continuing on in http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti...., Dembski says
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in my book The End of Christianity: Finding a Good God in an Evil World (check out the book as well as a $5,000 video contest promoting the book at www.godornot.com)
, thereby setting a new speed record for getting to "buy my book".


Dembski then manages to avoid the glare from the mirror to say
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New knowledge is always destabilizing, and the instinct for stability and the preservation of prestige and power always preclude the quest for truth. Beautiful. Ill want to quote this some day.
(And, hey, you just quoted it.)

Denyse tells an odd story, and comes back later to clarify
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The reason I told the story about my rescue by a bus driver from the snowbank (yes, yes, I should have spelled it out we artsies sometimes speak in riddles) is to say that, among humans, altruism can never be reduced to mere Darwinism.
(A bus driver from a snowbank? - that still sounds like a riddle. Or possibly just bad sentence construction.) (It is also interesting how she assumes that guys only offer help to females out of altruism - clearly there's no possibility of anything even vaguely Darwinian in that at all.) (/snark)

These guys are parodies of themselves.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2010,00:02   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 25 2010,19:37)
Quote (REC @ Feb. 26 2010,13:57)
Second post has a climate-denier I've never even heard of.

DLH is a long time denizen - he's actually got posting privileges. He's been denying evolution and climate change reality since at least 2007:
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> 400 Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming: US Senate Report


While I'm here, does anyone know who clivecopus is? Whoever they are they don't know how to write a headline without a glaring typo in the middle* (hi Denyse!) or provide a functioning hyperlink.

*Just what is a Pius X11?

Edited - stupid typo

It's the new Sports Pope.

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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2010,00:15   

N.WELLS:  
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Denyse tells an odd story, and comes back later to clarify
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The reason I told the story about my rescue by a bus driver from the snowbank (yes, yes, I should have spelled it out we artsies sometimes speak in riddles) is to say that, among humans, altruism can never be reduced to mere Darwinism.

(A bus driver from a snowbank? - that still sounds like a riddle. Or possibly just bad sentence construction.) (It is also interesting how she assumes that guys only offer help to females out of altruism - clearly there's no possibility of anything even vaguely Darwinian in that at all.) (/snark)

Actually, in Denyse's case, I think we CAN rule that out.

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Like every other academic field, philosophy of religion has its share of hacks and mediocrities.  Edward Feser

  
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