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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,14:46   

TSZ still down as of 12:45 PM PST

"Error loading page. Please contact the support team. "

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,15:08   

Quote (Febble @ Feb. 27 2012,14:45)
I don't know, I don't think it was my fault this time. I've put in a support request.

I'm sure it's not you, Lizzie. Possibly the site reacted badly to the crankiness I felt...

 ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:47   

Mop up of JoeG bullshit on aisle 5.

Keep that shit on the Tardgasm thread.

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Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,17:40   

There was a rogue plug in that I have now deactivated.  Sorry about that!

I'm going to keep things simple for a bit.

Also I've now, thanks to aiguy who sent me the lost texts, restored the Conching thread.

Any aisle-mopping will have to wait until tomorrow evening.

Cheers guys :)

  
Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,11:32   

shoot, account suspended again!

I have no idea why!

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,11:41   

Quote (Febble @ Mar. 01 2012,11:32)
shoot, account suspended again!

I have no idea why!

Too much CSI?

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,12:07   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 01 2012,11:41)
Quote (Febble @ Mar. 01 2012,11:32)
shoot, account suspended again!

I have no idea why!

Too much CSI?

Perhaps the Evolutionary Atheist Conspiracy had the site deleted because Joe was getting too close to disproving Darwinism.

Edit: to/too/two. whatever!

Edited by carlsonjok on Mar. 01 2012,12:08

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2012,13:17   

Connectivity to TSV up and down today. :-(

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2012,13:55   

Quote (Febble @ Mar. 01 2012,11:32)
shoot, account suspended again!

I have no idea why!

On ScienceBlogs that usually happened when one of PZ's threads started getting too long. I don't know if Wordpress has the same issues but you might want to start a new thread when you get 500 or so comments...

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Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2012,13:55   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 04 2012,13:17)
Connectivity to TSV up and down today. :-(

I've sent in a ticket.

  
Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2012,13:56   

Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 04 2012,13:55)
Quote (Febble @ Mar. 01 2012,11:32)
shoot, account suspended again!

I have no idea why!

On ScienceBlogs that usually happened when one of PZ's threads started getting too long. I don't know if Wordpress has the same issues but you might want to start a new thread when you get 500 or so comments...

Good thought.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2012,13:58   

Quote (Febble @ Mar. 04 2012,13:56)
Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 04 2012,13:55)
Quote (Febble @ Mar. 01 2012,11:32)
shoot, account suspended again!

I have no idea why!

On ScienceBlogs that usually happened when one of PZ's threads started getting too long. I don't know if Wordpress has the same issues but you might want to start a new thread when you get 500 or so comments...

Good thought.

And probably also multiple guano ones.

Minor navigation thought - it can be hard to go back and see precisely what people have said with the 'previous / next' set up.

But keep up the good work!

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2012,14:00   

The hosting service doesn't think so, but I've closed the Holding Tank thread anyway.

I think it had run its course :)

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2012,14:03   

Quote (Febble @ Mar. 04 2012,14:00)
The hosting service doesn't think so, but I've closed the Holding Tank thread anyway.

I think it had run its course :)

I guess. Joe can always further develop his ideas on his blog, or maybe one day in code. All revolutionary ideas get scoffed at in the beginning.

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2012,16:06   

I guess the best way to deal with Joe might be to ignore him. Otherwise, TSZ will be in perpetual derail until he finds somewhere else to irritate, in clueless ignorance of his own cluelessness.

But for the fact that I can't imagine anyone getting pleasure from such an activity, I'd say he is simply trolling for the attention. Then again, I thought that about Doug Dobney at Sandwalk too - when Larry was away, a 550-post megathread blew up, and he seemed to be just orchestrating the pro-science side into a frenzy for kicks. But I began to realise that he was deadly serious. And then I felt quite sorry for him.

Either way, if one has an interest in internet discussion, someone being ridiculous right in front of you, with those tiresome refrains and persistent misapprehension in response, is a hard lure to ignore. I decided to say nothing more to that fuckwit a long time back, but I haven't kept the promise entirely.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2012,17:12   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Mar. 04 2012,16:06)
I guess the best way to deal with Joe might be to ignore him. Otherwise, TSZ will be in perpetual derail until he finds somewhere else to irritate, in clueless ignorance of his own cluelessness.

But for the fact that I can't imagine anyone getting pleasure from such an activity, I'd say he is simply trolling for the attention. Then again, I thought that about Doug Dobney at Sandwalk too - when Larry was away, a 550-post megathread blew up, and he seemed to be just orchestrating the pro-science side into a frenzy for kicks. But I began to realise that he was deadly serious. And then I felt quite sorry for him.

Either way, if one has an interest in internet discussion, someone being ridiculous right in front of you, with those tiresome refrains and persistent misapprehension in response, is a hard lure to ignore. I decided to say nothing more to that fuckwit a long time back, but I haven't kept the promise entirely.

He's on every thread hardcore right now.

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2012,17:30   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 04 2012,17:12)
 
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Mar. 04 2012,16:06)
I guess the best way to deal with Joe might be to ignore him. [...]

He's on every thread hardcore right now.

It's like getting fucking termites!

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If hail is made out of ice and ice came from ice via water, then hail is made out of ice. Joe G

BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

  
Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2012,18:12   

Laugh out load moment (for me, anyway). Joe has another thread, this time on how Tiktaalik is somehow not a transitional. Bearing in mind a previous comment Joe is on his bestest behaviour, even prompting this:
 
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So far three evos have responded and not one has demonstrated a reading of the OP.

Still staring at me Elizabeth?

However 9 comments later the dam bursts:
 
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Rich:
Joe, I'm trying to talk specifics with you. please humour me. I wouldn't want readers to think you're being evasive, by asserting and not supporting.


Please read and respond to the OP- or go away

Elizabeth- Rich is being a fucking faggot- can you please do something about him.

...and you all know where it goes from there.

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2012,18:28   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Mar. 04 2012,16:12)
Laugh out load moment (for me, anyway). Joe has another thread, this time on how Tiktaalik is somehow not a transitional. Bearing in mind a previous comment Joe is on his bestest behaviour, even prompting this:
 
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So far three evos have responded and not one has demonstrated a reading of the OP.

Still staring at me Elizabeth?

However 9 comments later the dam bursts:
 
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Rich:
Joe, I'm trying to talk specifics with you. please humour me. I wouldn't want readers to think you're being evasive, by asserting and not supporting.


Please read and respond to the OP- or go away

Elizabeth- Rich is being a fucking faggot- can you please do something about him.

...and you all know where it goes from there.

And of course joe will claim that he's just responding to attacks on him.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2012,18:32   

There's a really nice post by Joe Felsenstein up.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,03:32   

From "Tiktaalik", Why it is a failed Prediction, a snippet of 'Joevolutionary Theory':
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There isn't anything in [standard evolutionary] theory that says a transitional form will be around millions of years after the transition was made- you don't have any idea how evolution works


"Those who think they know Joevolutionary Theory don't know Joevolutionary Theory, they only know evotardism." - Feynard Richman, home healthcare worker

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,04:58   

Quote (paragwinn @ Mar. 05 2012,01:32)
From "Tiktaalik", Why it is a failed Prediction, a snippet of 'Joevolutionary Theory':  
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There isn't anything in [standard evolutionary] theory that says a transitional form will be around millions of years after the transition was made- you don't have any idea how evolution works


"Those who think they know Joevolutionary Theory don't know Joevolutionary Theory, they only know evotardism." - Feynard Richman, home healthcare worker

Yep, that's some major league tard that joe is spewing there. That guy is one tardtastic IDiot.

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Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,12:42   

I've restricted posting to registered logged-in users, and I've installed a plug in to allow me to place individual users in moderation.

If I have to move one more comment from Joe G to guano I will put him in moderation.  Other posters are well below my last-straw threshold.

I will still post all comments, but game-rule-violating comments will go straight to guano.  I hope that will improve the SNR in the threads.

Joe G, I'm posting this in a number of places where you read so that you know.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,12:52   

Quote (Febble @ Mar. 05 2012,12:42)
I've restricted posting to registered logged-in users, and I've installed a plug in to allow me to place individual users in moderation.

If I have to move one more comment from Joe G to guano I will put him in moderation. Other posters are well below my last-straw threshold.

I will still post all comments, but game-rule-violating comments will go straight to guano. I hope that will improve the SNR in the threads.

Joe G, I'm posting this in a number of places where you read so that you know.

It was always going to happen. Just be prepared for faux martyrdom.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,12:59   

That's OK.  As I said, there will be no censorship, everything will be posted, it's just that I'd rather move stuff before it hits the thread, not after.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,13:11   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Mar. 04 2012,16:06)
I guess the best way to deal with Joe might be to ignore him. Otherwise, TSZ will be in perpetual derail until he finds somewhere else to irritate, in clueless ignorance of his own cluelessness.

But for the fact that I can't imagine anyone getting pleasure from such an activity, I'd say he is simply trolling for the attention. Then again, I thought that about Doug Dobney at Sandwalk too - when Larry was away, a 550-post megathread blew up, and he seemed to be just orchestrating the pro-science side into a frenzy for kicks. But I began to realise that he was deadly serious. And then I felt quite sorry for him.

Either way, if one has an interest in internet discussion, someone being ridiculous right in front of you, with those tiresome refrains and persistent misapprehension in response, is a hard lure to ignore. I decided to say nothing more to that fuckwit a long time back, but I haven't kept the promise entirely.

I banned Joe from my blog almost 9 months ago.  He still tries to get comments through.  He has more comments on my blog than I have posts on my blog.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,13:43   

Well, he got Guanoed again. I wonder if he's moderated now?

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,13:52   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 05 2012,13:43)
Well, he got Guanoed again. I wonder if he's moderated now?

The idea of Joe cleaning up his act to stay out of moderation immediately reminded me of this:



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eigenstate



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,14:33   

Too bad for Elizabeth, and the TSZ. I don't know how you guys do it, Joe's trolling is just WAY too damn fatiguing and boring to deal with.

Really, life is to short to live as troll fodder for Joe.

And that's what TSZ has become, now. It's Joe's forum, now.

I wanted to post on the GA thread -- I am one who has invested, personally, several person-years, and many more person-years have been put in by my team, on commercial applications of genetic algorithms. It's an interesting, underdeveloped topic.

But I'd be a fool to waste my time on that thread.

Joe has the upper hand, at this point. The advantage goes to the troll in these situations. It takes a collective commitment to not feed the troll to stem the problem, and Joe's a very capable troll.

I thought Felsenstein's post was good, but what's the point? As soon as any attention gets invested in it, Joe just moves over there, and the post is nullified.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,14:40   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 05 2012,14:43)
Well, he got Guanoed again. I wonder if he's moderated now?

I wonder if his boyfriend Barry has been watching

And Mr Leathers!!!!!! <gasp>

What would Gordon say?  *you have been warned Joseph*

ROFLMAO

I still hope there was a bigger purpose for letting that idiot loose there!  Like, "On tard and tardmongers:  insights into the psychology of a tard" or some shit like that.  Because if not then jesus that shit was inevitable

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