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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,20:28   

Quote (Kristine @ June 28 2011,19:47)
WHAT? :D Jebus, but you guys have strong stomachs.

Amazon.com comments used to be useful. I know one library worker who actually used them instead of the library's catalog to help patrons. Now, thanks to the IDiots, they're about as useful as the Black Dahlia forums.  :angry:

Dunno about the Black Dahlia forums, but yeah, the Amazon forums are a cesspool of idiocy. And this one is gold-plated in that regard!

Kepler has now moved from the looooong posts, which he edited 5-10 times each while waiting for anyone to pay attention to them, to a shorter format. Maybe he thinks that this will make it more onerous to tag his comments as unhelpful.

Or maybe he's off his meds.

At any rate, stop over there anytime and chime in, or vote. It's about the same level of discourse as JoeG's blog, without the heavy-handed moderation, of course.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2011,18:08   

I think we broke him.  He is definitely off his medications.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2011,06:26   

Quote (OgreMkV @ June 29 2011,18:08)
I think we broke him.  He is definitely off his medications.

Yes, he doesn't seem to have the attention span that he had before. Short incoherent outbursts of invective rather than the page-fillers he used to generate.

I've given up trying to be civil to him; there is no evidence that he will ever respond in kind. Mockery, pure and simple, is going to be my approach for a while.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2011,22:08   

More hilarity at Amazon!

Kepler flagged one of my comments as "abuse" when I called him a liar (which was, actually, a truthful statement about his behavior). That triggered the deletion of my comment. A query to the Amazon nanny brought a response that I was not following the guidelines governing civil discussions, which was also true. After months of being called a hypocrite, a bigot, and unscientific I finally decided to treat Kepler like he was treating me, with an abundance of disrespect. When I responded to the nanny that Kepler was much more uncivil in that thread, multiple comments (mine and Kepler's) were deleted. Now the comment thread looks like a UD thread; with many gaps in the discussion and many mysteries.

When Kepler comes back, he will be asked about why he seems to be able to dish it out, but not take it. Turnabout was not fair play in his playbook!

Again, if folks here want to wander over there and vote on the helpfulness (or not) of his comments, it would be appreciated. He can't talk about science at all, but he sure can complain when people use his tactics on him!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 09 2011,23:27   

Amazon.com launched an all-out attack on rational and liberal comments several months ago.

I have found that Barnes and Noble does just as well at providing our book, DVD, and CD needs, and at generally lower prices for new products (including CA sales tax). Since Amazon also refuses to pay sales tax in California, I say be damned and good riddance.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2011,13:46   

Quote (Dr.GH @ July 09 2011,23:27)
Amazon.com launched an all-out attack on rational and liberal comments several months ago.

I have found that Barnes and Noble does just as well at providing our book, DVD, and CD needs, and at generally lower prices for new products (including CA sales tax). Since Amazon also refuses to pay sales tax in California, I say be damned and good riddance.

Well, to be fair, they deleted a large number of the IDiot's comments as well. And my comments did technically violate the Amazon guidelines about civility. After months of being abused by Richard, I decided that abuse was the only thing he understood, so I reciprocated. It is pathetic that he can dish it out, for months, but a week or so of being the target of abuse made him snap and report me to the nannies. Apparently IDiots never feel comfortable in a situation where true give-and-take is allowed.

So I don't have any legitimate complaint about Amazon's deletion of my comments; they can legitimately claim to be following their guidelines. Kepler, however, is a hypocritical chicken-shit, through and through, for his actions.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2011,11:42   

This is truly a masterpiece of the genre - Tard Evasionary Tactics, or How to make sure that it is impossible to get a rational discussion even started.

I've been trying to get Kepler to tell us what HE thinks the topic of the thread should be. So I wrote:
 
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Nobody said "ID has to offer an alternative assertion". But libraries and booksellers do have to classify books and group them with similar books, and there are very good reasons for that. It helps when you don't engage in the construction of strawman arguments. And if you only "reject" statements without offering counter -arguments and/or evidence, you aren't interested in intellectually honest discourse. So I expect rejection to be accompanied by something logical or evidentiary. How about you?

Now to the assertion in the title. We'll go really slowly so that I can get your agreement or disagreement with some baseline ideas before I defend that proposition.

Can you agree that this is a book (Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design) about intelligent design?


He replied:
 
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1) You judged: "And if you only "reject" statements without offering counter -arguments and/or evidence, you aren't interested in intellectually honest discourse."

2) Then demanded: "So I expect rejection to be accompanied by something logical or evidentiary."

3) Then asked: "How about you?"

I've already presented my views concerning 1). They appear in marked contrast and direct opposition to your own. And you just cast mine away from your consideration purposes. You jumped from talking about the classification of books within limited or circumscribed ranges of choice (I assume) to calling it a strawman argument, with no explanation or support intermediate to them. I generally don't accept such arguments on the basis of structural and logical grounds.

If you label arguments you don't agree with as strawman arguments out of hand (the most critical possibility here), isn't your rationale for not discussing evolution in this column thus a straw man argument and intellectually dishonest, too? Yet you've stood firm on that one. Why shouldn't I remain firm about this discussion considering the merits and shortcomings and the defense or failure of only one assertion alone-the title that drew us in- and not a group of alternatives to it?

There is no comparison of alternatives that is even mentioned in the title. And I think because of that, you haven't let evolution become available for official discussion purposes at all here. No, I think we should leave all other library classification categories out of the discussion. Only religion and its widely recognized synonyms should be considered for categories for listing the book; that's all the title suggested here. It mandated only one possibility for listing purposes, anyway. Thus the assertion should stand or fall on its own merits.

"Intellectually honest discourse" has many and varied definitions. Am I interested in it? Well, that is a multilevel question. It's a highly subjective category that I see often abused and most often applied only by fiat and in a judgmental, unsupported fashion by evolutionists. And I don't think intellectual honesty or straw man arguments bear directly on the issues of whether we should discuss this thread's title or open discussions up additionally to hypothetical alternatives to it. I see them as concerns that are extraneous to this matter. How do you define interest (as you put it) in this connection?

Actually, I see these issues as relative, not absolute matters for discussion. Your apparent tendency to short-cut communications by referring to them in absolute terms and concluding their validity by fiat is a big hindrance to any intellectual, free-exchange of ideas, from my perspective.

In reply to 2) and 3): Logical and evidentiary rationales alone are too constraining in my view. They are highly subjective categories, too; too much so to get hamstrung in from the first. It also looks to me to be an excuse to reject other types of criticism, eg., structural, grammatical, literary, historical, rhetorical, methodological, and theoretical criticism- outright. No, we'll have to leave the issue of what types of rejection/criticism to accept open-ended I think, too.

You also said: "Can you agree that this is a book (Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design) about intelligent design?"

"About"? What do you mean by that little preposition? If you don't know that explicitly and precisely when asking, then I can't even begin to address, much less answer correctly, your question. And how to you intend to wield/wave "it's about ID" around in the future in order to open up discussions beyond what is stated in the title? We just had a big battle over 'about'! That's my greatest concern ... i.e., about it.

I do think the question of whether Meyer's book is an ID book is a legitimate one if discussed only in the form of historical/background. I am just doubtful you would leave it as a historical note. I think you would use it as an excuse or lever to bring in many other ID issues for discussion purposes, i.e., ones that are not mentioned directly in the book.


In other words, he wants to reject arguments on just his say-so (logic and evidence are "too constraining"), he wants to discuss the meaning of the word "about", he thinks that a discussion of a desire for "intellectually honest discourse" is "multilevel", and a book with "Evidence for Intelligent Design" may or may not be a book about ID.

I think I need some of whatever he is smoking...

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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2011,15:38   

Oberon is back on the Amazon discussion thread.

Amazon

You can go back a page to pick up where he returns... and read the last few vomit dumps of Richard.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2011,16:34   

Quote (OgreMkV @ July 16 2011,13:38)
Oberon is back on the Amazon discussion thread.

Amazon

You can go back a page to pick up where he returns... and read the last few vomit dumps of Richard.

The fact that Oberon is quote mining me is rather inviting. The sentence he has misquoted is, "Creationists like to present this as a profound mystery that is supposed to "prove" that they are correct."
http://stonesnbones.blogspot.com/2008/12/origin-of-life-outline.html


tch tch tch.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2011,17:24   

In case there's anyone here who doesn't read there too, Jerry Coyne posted a link to the review for King James Bible at Amazon.  Apparently the reality-based community got there early and often.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2011,16:39   

Ricahrd Kepler seems to be broken, again. Or he is off plotting his revenge against those evil evolutionists who keep pointing out that he is just a broken record. A couple of his recent posts have five votes against, and one more on each of them will put them in the category where Amazon hides them from view automatically.

I think he and Joe need to get together. Joe could bake him a cake and Richard could teach Joe how to spell. Win-win!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2011,08:45   

Joe must read this thread. He's shown up on the amazon discussion, full of bluster and insults, per usual. Maybe Richard will report him for abuse!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2011,08:54   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 05 2011,14:45)
Joe must read this thread. He's shown up on the amazon discussion, full of bluster and insults, per usual. Maybe Richard will report him for abuse!

Joe, over there:

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Unfortunately for you medicine doesn't have anything to do with the theory of evolution.

Why do evos have to lie all the time?


BWAHAHAHA.. wait, what?!?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2011,09:49   

It is some comfort to know that the overwheming majority of creationists are really very stupid.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2011,16:32   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Aug. 05 2011,08:49)
It is some comfort to know that the overwheming majority of creationists are really very stupid.

That's a minimal "some" my good Dr.

I find it discomforting there are so many very stupid people who endeavor to have everyone join them on the far left of the bell curve.

I have been following Dave's efforts at Amazon. I'm immensely curious about Kepler's motivations and purpose for being so utterly insane.

And I continue to marvel at the unfathomable depths of the abyss that resides in Joe Gallien's skull.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2011,16:40   

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[Deleted by Amazon 5 hours ago]


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2011,16:42   

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[Deleted by Amazon 5 hours ago]

Yeah, and after a few more posts little Joey bailed. If he can't call people evotards and cowards and liars, he runs out of gas pretty fast!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2011,16:48   



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2011,16:58   

Whoops! Spoke too soon. Little Joey has returned with another spittle-flecked comment about medicine and the theory of evolution.

What an egnoramus!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2011,20:09   

Joe continues to be the best evidence against ID that exists.

I doubt there are any lurkers left, but it should be interesting.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2011,06:05   

Poor Richard. I quit responding to his comments a while back, when it became even more obvious that he would merely deny, vigorously and at length, the shellacking he was getting. But I just looked at the thread, and he is getting even more pathetic. The last three posts are his, they've been up for a couple of days without any response from anybody. So he continues to edit them, talking to himself essentially.

I'd love to get him and KF in the same room and see which one ran out of gas first.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2011,06:37   

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Poor Richard. I quit responding to his comments a while back, when it became even more obvious that he would merely deny, vigorously and at length, the shellacking he was getting. But I just looked at the thread, and he is getting even more pathetic. The last three posts are his, they've been up for a couple of days without any response from anybody. So he continues to edit them, talking to himself essentially.

I'd love to get him and KF in the same room and see which one ran out of gas first.

You...you..you've single-handedly solved the energy crisis!

Now if only we could do something about their emissions....

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2011,14:37   

Kepler has, um, interesting opinions:

 
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These two authors are some of the most qualified and most interesting on Intelligent Design. With quantum mechanics incorporating rapid developments in the field of consciousness studies, you need to be reading current developments on information/intelligent control over biological progession upward in complexity. This means you should be reading books on Intelligent Design. If you are a person who 'wants to know' what is going on in scientific debates nowadays, you should understand and consider both sides of the ID/evolution debate. (I don't consider creationism scientific, but ID definitely is. Read the writers' qualifications, not the pundits opinions. Was Dean Kenyon's Biochemical Predestination worthless? No way!) The critics of this book read ID books to 'protect you.' You've heard that line before, haven't you -- in books like George Orwell's 1984?) These pundits want you to steer clear of ID books, but they use pompous attacks, evidently distrusting anyone's critical reading abilities but their own. Perhaps I use such arguments, too, but at least I trust your intelligence. From my experience in Asia, the American people of all age levels are ready to hear both sides of the argument. Even our high schoolers have some of the best critical thinking/analysis abilities in the world. Asia is no match for America and the West in my opinion in lay intellectual ability, and I have taught Japanese movie stars and doctors English. One of my advisors in my studies for my M.A. in Anthropology once nudged me in the direction of theistic evolution as an alternative to Darwinism. I think he was a theistic evolutionist, but no one can admit it in Academia. (Is this 1984 again?) So I for one take all this hubris as overblown hype. I don't believe all the anti-ID propaganda. Do you? Got'cha! (Please check the meaning of that out.) This is a very good and interesting book. Seriously consider reading it!


Richard's reviews

Our creationist Merkins beat the hell out of them damn dirty asians, don't you know.  Probably he figured that out because we have a bunch of dull slackers saying "God did it."  He titled the "review" thusly:  "Don't Let any Bigoted Pundit Control Your Thinking about I.D."  No, let a moronic Presbyterian control your thinking about ID.

He really is too pathetic to engage.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2011,15:00   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ Aug. 31 2011,14:37)
He really is too pathetic to engage.

Yes, he is very pathetic. Too pathetic to even show up here (and we know he reads this thread), or on UD. He just squats in his own soiled corner of the internet, churning out buckets of poorly-written nonsense which he suspects might be clever. And then he endlessly edits his turgidity, especially if nobody responds to him for a day or two.

He is, hopefully, one unique baramin o' tard.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2011,07:12   

Poor Richard is circling the wagons around his "habitable zones" hypothesis, but, as always, neglecting to address the actual critiques that have been made about it.

And even though he has edited that post about a half-dozen times, it still contains gems like

I've been pouring over these hypotheses...

and

I did not mean an astronaut, and certainly not one dawning a space suit, for instance.


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 14 2011,17:15   

Got another live ID proponent at Amazon:

More ID at Amazon

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2012,20:30   

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Got another live ID proponent at Amazon:

More ID at Amazon

After a nice long summer break I just brought myself up-to-date on that thread, but was disappointed to read the latest entry:    
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B. A. Daley says:
[Deleted by Amazon on Jan 7, 2012 1:34:34 PM PST]
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Did you catch the pre-deletion post?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2012,21:43   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Jan. 15 2012,20:30)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Dec. 15 2011,10:15)
Got another live ID proponent at Amazon:

More ID at Amazon

After a nice long summer break I just brought myself up-to-date on that thread, but was disappointed to read the latest entry:      
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B. A. Daley says:
[Deleted by Amazon on Jan 7, 2012 1:34:34 PM PST]
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Did you catch the pre-deletion post?

No, that was while I was traveling.  All I found was the original e-mail

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Kevin:

Any scientist worth his salt, (or saltation regarding 'Natura non facit saltum',) knows what he knows not. The more you know, the more you are aware of that which you don't know. I am fully aware of this fact. In fact, the better the scientist, the more aware he is of how much he does not know. It is an expanding universe of knowledge out there. It seems the more knowledge one takes in, the larger the universe gets.

Science is about testing hypothesis, and treating 'current' ideas as if they weren't true. No discovery has ever been made which did not challenge existing knowledge. Science, failing to do this, simply fails.

Unfortunately, you haven't been able to give me a single scientific process which doesn't study structure. In fact, if you wanted to boil science down to...


I guess he devolved in the typical rant of creationists everywhere.

He kept wanting me to admit that anything with structure had to be designed.  My dozens of examples didn't phase him.

Maybe someone with mad google-fu skills can pull up a historical weblog, but I'm not sure how.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2012,10:51   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Dec. 14 2011,15:15)
Got another live ID proponent at Amazon:

More ID at Amazon

Re: your point #4,
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On the other hand, I would also suggest you investigate how scientists say speciation actually occurs. There are 4-5 main forms of speciation with several variations on each one. Hint: hybridization is not one of them.


Hybridization is a rather important source of new species.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2012,12:01   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Jan. 16 2012,10:51)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Dec. 14 2011,15:15)
Got another live ID proponent at Amazon:

More ID at Amazon

Re: your point #4,  
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On the other hand, I would also suggest you investigate how scientists say speciation actually occurs. There are 4-5 main forms of speciation with several variations on each one. Hint: hybridization is not one of them.


Hybridization is a rather important source of new species.

Fixed.

I think the original discussion was that hybridization was the ONLY source of speciation.

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