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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2011,18:58   

Quote (Kristine @ May 23 2011,15:43)
Oops. Stein himself recently lost a gig due to sexist jokes. (Actually, they are all older than the hills. Yawn.)

That's what she said.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2011,19:40   

Quote (Doc Bill @ May 23 2011,18:58)
Quote (Kristine @ May 23 2011,15:43)
Oops. Stein himself recently lost a gig due to sexist jokes. (Actually, they are all older than the hills. Yawn.)

That's what she said.

Well, he did lost the gig! :)

Frankly, I think that the cowboy joke was not sexist, just old, and derogatory to the cowboy. I can see suburban men in South Dakota acting like that, not Montana cowboys.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2011,21:13   

Premise Media gone bankrupt.  "Expelled" being auctioned.

Hey, Kevin Eleven, nice job!  You certainly wrote a classic, buddy!  You should buy your own film, then you could hawk it at Kraft Fayres around the midwest.  You and Stein could buy an old VW microbus, paint it orange, and earn Motel 6 points or something.  It's a living!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2011,22:28   

Quote (Doc Bill @ June 06 2011,19:13)
Premise Media gone bankrupt.  "Expelled" being auctioned.

Hey, Kevin Eleven, nice job!  You certainly wrote a classic, buddy!  You should buy your own film, then you could hawk it at Kraft Fayres around the midwest.  You and Stein could buy an old VW microbus, paint it orange, and earn Motel 6 points or something.  It's a living!

Linky

Perfect time for a MST3K reunion.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2011,22:32   

Quote (fnxtr @ June 06 2011,22:28)
Quote (Doc Bill @ June 06 2011,19:13)
Premise Media gone bankrupt.  "Expelled" being auctioned.

Hey, Kevin Eleven, nice job!  You certainly wrote a classic, buddy!  You should buy your own film, then you could hawk it at Kraft Fayres around the midwest.  You and Stein could buy an old VW microbus, paint it orange, and earn Motel 6 points or something.  It's a living!

Linky

Perfect time for a MST3K reunion.

Actually, I was thinking exactly that sort of thing. How about if we get our part of the internet to chip in and buy the thing, then release a version online with various and sundry experts added in rebutting each erroneous claim as it is made?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2011,22:33   

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Premise Media gone bankrupt.  "Expelled" being auctioned.

Ah, I love the smell of schadenfreude in the morning (or any other time really).

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2011,22:34   

If nothing else, we could force the Discovery Institute or other deep-pockets peddler of religious antievolution to spend some of their bucks to keep it out of hostile hands. A win-win, I think.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2011,22:36   

Or perhaps even: "Expelled: The Special Farty Noises Edition"

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2011,23:31   

That sounds like it could be a gas!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,01:57   

If they can make a musical called The Book of Mormon, we should do the same for Expurgated.



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,08:43   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 06 2011,22:36)
Or perhaps even: "Expelled: The Special Farty Noises Edition"

No lie: Rev. Barky and I have been talking about a "Mystery Creation Science Theatre" project, in which we would riff on old Left Behind/creation science/etc. films from the 1950s-1970s, and some of the most grossly inaccurate "science" documentaries.

The silhouettes in front of the screen would be either Rev. Barky or I, sitting with our two cats.

I'm not kidding. We think it would be a cable-access hit! :)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,09:32   

Quote (Kristine @ June 07 2011,08:43)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 06 2011,22:36)
Or perhaps even: "Expelled: The Special Farty Noises Edition"

No lie: Rev. Barky and I have been talking about a "Mystery Creation Science Theatre" project, in which we would riff on old Left Behind/creation science/etc. films from the 1950s-1970s, and some of the most grossly inaccurate "science" documentaries.

The silhouettes in front of the screen would be either Rev. Barky or I, sitting with our two cats.

I'm not kidding. We think it would be a cable-access hit! :)

I'd watch that. I'd even pay some $$ too!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,09:35   

My only thought on this is, given how popular and profitable this movie apparently was for Premise Media, is there really any incentive to own it, nevermind reissue it? I mean seriously, did even 10,000 "Christians" see it? Why in the world would they see it again with factual edits?

ETA: Ok...I looked it up on Box Office Mojo and it did make almost $8 million domestically and ended up 17th on the all time grossing documentary film list. Still...

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,09:48   

Quote (Robin @ June 07 2011,09:35)
My only thought on this is, given how popular and profitable this movie apparently was for Premise Media, is there really any incentive to own it, nevermind reissue it? I mean seriously, did even 10,000 "Christians" see it? Why in the world would they see it again with factual edits?

ETA: Ok...I looked it up on Box Office Mojo and it did make almost $8 million domestically and ended up 17th on the all time grossing documentary film list. Still...

Frankly, I think that a legitimate scientific entity should acquire it and shelve it.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,10:08   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 06 2011,22:34)
If nothing else, we could force the Discovery Institute or other deep-pockets peddler of religious antievolution to spend some of their bucks to keep it out of hostile hands. A win-win, I think.

Let's do it.  How can I help?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,10:14   

Quote (csadams @ June 07 2011,10:08)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 06 2011,22:34)
If nothing else, we could force the Discovery Institute or other deep-pockets peddler of religious antievolution to spend some of their bucks to keep it out of hostile hands. A win-win, I think.

Let's do it.  How can I help?

It will presumably go for at least tens of thousands.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,10:33   

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Quote (csadams @ June 07 2011,10:08)
   
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 06 2011,22:34)
If nothing else, we could force the Discovery Institute or other deep-pockets peddler of religious antievolution to spend some of their bucks to keep it out of hostile hands. A win-win, I think.

Let's do it.  How can I help?

It will presumably go for at least tens of thousands.

 
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This is an archivist's dream. This is a treasure trove. It would include all their documentation regarding their little tricks regarding "Crossroads," as well as whatever cutting-room floor footage, e-mails, storyboards, etc. that they have.

I would argue that this is worth a scientific entity shelling out $$ for.

It most certainly also demonstrates how these grifters are for sale, and not about sharing "scientific knowledge" with the public. Man, this is also another article for me to write. "Expelled"'s second coming will rival its first!

ETA - "with," not "to" the public

Edited by Kristine on June 07 2011,10:34

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,10:34   

Let's not give them a martyr.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,10:36   

How would we give them a martyr? If we get a hold of their memos and background documentation, it will be another Wedge Document moment.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,10:39   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 07 2011,10:14)
Quote (csadams @ June 07 2011,10:08)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 06 2011,22:34)
If nothing else, we could force the Discovery Institute or other deep-pockets peddler of religious antievolution to spend some of their bucks to keep it out of hostile hands. A win-win, I think.

Let's do it.  How can I help?

It will presumably go for at least tens of thousands.

So we need thousands of tens.  Or twenties.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,10:48   

Why not ask the NCSE to join in? That would be interesting...

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,10:58   

Quote (Kristine @ June 07 2011,10:36)
How would we give them a martyr? If we get a hold of their memos and background documentation, it will be another Wedge Document moment.

*puts creationist cap on*

THE DARWINIST ESTABLISHEMENT WAS SO KEEN TO SILENCE AND EXPUNGE OUR JOURNALISTRIC INVESTIGATION INTO THE CURROPTION OF SCIENCE THAT THEY HAD TO BUY THE RIGHTS TO IT TO ENSURE IN WOULD NEVER AGAIN SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY....

It's already died the death of scientific ridicule and public indifference. It's a PR war - never lose sight of that. We've won this battle, why re-open it and give them new weapons?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,11:09   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 07 2011,08:58)
Quote (Kristine @ June 07 2011,10:36)
How would we give them a martyr? If we get a hold of their memos and background documentation, it will be another Wedge Document moment.

*puts creationist cap on*

THE DARWINIST ESTABLISHEMENT WAS SO KEEN TO SILENCE AND EXPUNGE OUR JOURNALISTRIC INVESTIGATION INTO THE CURROPTION OF SCIENCE THAT THEY HAD TO BUY THE RIGHTS TO IT TO ENSURE IN WOULD NEVER AGAIN SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY....

It's already died the death of scientific ridicule and public indifference. It's a PR war - never lose sight of that. We've won this battle, why re-open it and give them new weapons?

But that argument only holds if we buy everything up and lock it away.  If we buy everything up and release it, dirty tricks and all...

Kristine's right.  This is Wedge Document II.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,11:20   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 07 2011,10:58)
It's already died the death of scientific ridicule and public indifference. It's a PR war - never lose sight of that. We've won this battle, why re-open it and give them new weapons?

It's still viewed by creos as a major weapon; a creo recommended it to me just a few months ago.  

I'd *love* to see it MST3K'd with no copyright concerns and distributed widely on DVD s - for free would be even better.  The anti-evo, anti-climate change, anti-science folks provide well-produced freebies* to science teachers.  Pro-science should be doing the same or more.

It is about PR.  This is a chance for pro-science folks to set the record straight about the duplicity of those affiliated with "Expelled," in a manner that is appealing to the public.

(If only I had a few ten thousand$ to $pare . . . )

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,11:39   

I see no reason to release the film in its expurgated (remember that "Bad to the Bone" theme?), completed, and released form again, any more than I see a need to pass out Discovery Toot press releases without comments. Yes, I would shelve the film.

They had their chance to go the open access route instead of all of their "people are trying to copy it and distribute it!" hysteria; they can go right ahead and make a claim of "censorship" once it is acquired! Hell, I would want them to! People are astute enough to see the irony and the hypocrisy of this should they go there.

Releasing all of the other material will sink their asses. Talk about censorship.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,12:00   

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But that argument only holds if we buy everything up and lock it away.  

No - it holds if they can perpetuate the belief that that's what happened. They're not constrained by the truth.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,12:03   

If it is just about money why don't you contact Yoko Ono?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,12:06   

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If it is just about money why don't you contact Yoko Ono?

Oh, this could be so very very funny...

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,14:16   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 07 2011,12:06)
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If it is just about money why don't you contact Yoko Ono?

Oh, this could be so very very funny...

Yoko, there's just a couple of changes, ok babe?

Imagine there's no Kevee
It isn't hard to do
Nothing for ID to lie for
And no Ben Stein too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
Except when we're LOLing at The Expelled Cru

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,14:55   

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Imagine there's no Kevee
It isn't hard to do
Nothing for ID to lie for
And no Ben Stein too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
Except when we're LOLing at The Expelled Cru


POTW nomination.

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