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|Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 02 2012,11:11)|
|And now Joe posts to uncommon descent, knowing that I've been banned there.|
Tell you want Joe, bring your list of questions and CoderJoe (at least get creative with sock names) over here to an unmoderated forum and let's go.
eta: The comment and my response... coward.
| To JoeCoder- the following is a perfect example of what happens when I present positive evidence for ID:|
Except, as I've already pointed out, you didn't present positive evidence for ID.
You presented a plan (that wouldn't work) and that's it.
How to Test and Falsify Intelligent Design
1- I presented the criteria for assessing evidence
Which wouldn't work because you have to prove a negative. Basically, you have to be able to prove that evolution can never ever do what you claim (i.e. construct ATP synthase) and then you can accept design.
That fails for another reason. You are assuming that design and evolution are the only two choices. You have to prove that as well.
2- I then presented the evidence
No, you didn't. You made a claim that boiled down to "It's really complex and I don't see how these two systems could work together without being designed. Therefore evolution couldn't do it. Therefore ID is proven.
3- I get told the evidence isn't evidence for ID (as predicted) because it wasn't proven that non-intelligent processes couldn't do it
Which is correct. Your claim is that if natural processes can't do it, then you default to design. Which, as I have already said, is wrong for two reasons.
Note that Kevin never even discussed the OP, he flat-out refused to excpet to handwave it away. I told him that before we discuss the evidence we have to discuss how it is assessed.
No, Joe, you made a claim to me that there was tons of evidence supporting ID. I asked for that evidence. I had to ask 4 times (in this instance... one of many over the last 3 years) for any of that mountain of evidence. You still haven't provided any.
All he can do is say I am attacking a strawman version of evolution, even though "my" version is the same version that evolutionary biologists use- ya see Kevin has ignored all of the many references I have provided to support "my" version- IOW he lies, and then he equivocates "evolution" in order to use any change, no matter how trivial, to be evidence for his position and contra ID.
That's totally unrelated. You made the claim that my statement supported your contention that evolution has no support. Well, I agreed with you that my statement shows that YOUR VERSION of evolution has no support.
Of course, you are the only person who thinks that your version of evolution equals actual evolution principles and processes. So that's kind of a moot point.
You have yet (after many requests) to correctly state what "my position" is.
Tell me JoeCoder, how do you deal with someone like that? This guy has an input into Texas education- hopefully he is just a copy-boy/ errand-boy- so what would you do? Do you allow this person to keep spewing lies and misrepresentations without doing anything?
Tell me JoeCoder, how do you deal with someone who is immune to evidence, actual logic, knowledge of the scientific method, and any content knowledge of science itself.
Oh, and please provide a link where I said that I have input into Texas education. No, right now, my focus is national science education. Hey, Joe, have you presented any papers at national conferences of educators lately? No? I have.
Tell me Joe, what are you going to do to me for "spewing lies and misrepresentations". You gonna beat me up? Threaten me and my family again? Or are you gonna continue to play moronic games in your little sock circle jerk over there?
You gonna sue me? Bring it. I predict you'll get laughed out of court before you even get to ID. Courts in Texas don't like briefs written in crayon.
Tell you what, why don't you man up, come over here and actually discuss the issues you have. But you can't because, somewhere in your tiny little mind, you know you've lost and will always lose.
He's just fishing for a reaction, pay no heed. He's in full on post porn meltdown mode.
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