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Barrett Brown Posts: 7 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,04:09    My latest screed against Uncommon Descent, this time in reference to Cornelius Hunter's bizarre post on "Evolution's Legacy of Shame," may be found at this link: http://trueslant.com/barrett....f-shame I've tried for several minutes to hyperlink this but have given up.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,04:39    Grats BB, A great first post for page 500! :) Use tinyurl.com or similar for long links, the board s/w does not like links over X long... Like so http://tinyurl.com/lfx3f5 -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Zachriel Posts: 2560 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,07:16    Quote Blue Lotus:           Quote 1–> Drag a distractive, subject-changing red herring across the track of inconvenient truth. 2 –> Lead it out to a strawman misrepresentation of the argument being objected to. 3 –> Soak same in subtle or blatant ad hominem mischaracterisations and slanders or innuendos. 4 –> Spectacularly ignite, clouding, confusing, poisoning and polarising the atmosphere. 5 –> Thus, shift from a discussion towards the truth and constrained by fact and logic to the provocation of a fight by resort to routine incivility. 6 –> Abuse institutional power to club down those who dare differ with you in that resulting fight. (The cases of Sternberg and Gonzalez are classics.) 7 –> Turnabout blame for the confrontation, and slander the victim as the one who “hit [back] first.” It is time to expose and demand correction of such destructive tactics. In defense of civil society. Traditional tard-mining means removing the ore from the pit to be refined at a highly specialized facility, such as AtBC. Blue Lotus is attempting to cut away a few choice nuggets from the vein while still in the mines. The question is whether he can now get those nuggets to the surface. If he succeeds, this could mean a major innovation in tardology. Let's watch and see... Quote kairosfocus: Onlookers (and Clive): This is sad. A glance at the above will amply demonstrate the point of identifying the routine resort to red herring to strawman to ad hominem — including blame the victim — rhetorical tactics in ever so easily observable use by all too many darwinists. {blah, blah, blah} Hmm. Kairosfocus has weighed Blue Lotus down with four times the weight of the nuggets. Not an extreme ratio, only two PS's, but still quite a load of malarkey. This may be more difficult than it first seemed. Quote Blue Lotus:   Quote In defense of civil society. Yes. "In defense of civil society.". -------------- The struggle against ignorance is to the end of time. But it is said that if you die in tard, you will be reborn in Tardhalla.

Zachriel Posts: 2560 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,07:29    Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 04 2009,07:16)   Quote Blue Lotus:   Quote 1–> Drag a distractive, subject-changing red herring across the track of inconvenient truth. 2 –> Lead it out to a strawman misrepresentation of the argument being objected to. 3 –> Soak same in subtle or blatant ad hominem mischaracterisations and slanders or innuendos. 4 –> Spectacularly ignite, clouding, confusing, poisoning and polarising the atmosphere. 5 –> Thus, shift from a discussion towards the truth and constrained by fact and logic to the provocation of a fight by resort to routine incivility. 6 –> Abuse institutional power to club down those who dare differ with you in that resulting fight. (The cases of Sternberg and Gonzalez are classics.) 7 –> Turnabout blame for the confrontation, and slander the victim as the one who “hit [back] first.” It is time to expose and demand correction of such destructive tactics. In defense of civil society. When polished and laid out like that, tard can be very beautiful. Oh, the tears? Must be the oily smoke of burning strawmen. That's all. Really. It can leave you all choked up. Quote 5 –> Thus, shift from a discussion towards the truth and constrained by fact and logic to the provocation of a fight by resort to routine incivility. Oh my. {cough, cough} -------------- The struggle against ignorance is to the end of time. But it is said that if you die in tard, you will be reborn in Tardhalla.

midwifetoad Posts: 3138 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,07:57    Quote Not to mention that with a little knowledge of "nuclear chemistry", we figured out how to make gold from lead! The analogy fails at a more basic level. Natural processes turn energy into gold and lead and carbon and every other element without any "intelligent" intervention. -------------- ... a poster child for irresponsible and deceitful misrepresentation of design theory on the Internet. http://tinyurl.com/9axtwbe....9axtwbe

dogdidit Posts: 315 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,08:04    Quote 1–> Drag a distractive, subject-changing red herring across the track of inconvenient truth. 2 –> Lead it out to a strawman misrepresentation of the argument being objected to. 3 –> Soak same in subtle or blatant ad hominem mischaracterisations and slanders or innuendos. 4 –> Spectacularly ignite, clouding, confusing, poisoning and polarising the atmosphere. (I know, an oldie. But who doesn't love a bonfire? Somebody hand me a marshmallow...) -------------- "Humans carry plants and animals all over the globe, thus introducing them to places they could never have reached on their own. That certainly increases biodiversity." - D'OL

KCdgw Posts: 361 Joined: Sep. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,08:15    Quote (Barrett Brown @ Sep. 04 2009,04:09) My latest screed against Uncommon Descent, this time in reference to Cornelius Hunter's bizarre post on "Evolution's Legacy of Shame," may be found at this link: [URL=http://trueslant.com/barrettbrown/2009/09/04/intelligent-design-advocate-mocking-of-scientist-by-other-scientists-a-century-ago-is-evol utions-legacy-of-shame/]http://trueslant.com/barrett....f-shame[/URL] I've tried for several minutes to hyperlink this but have given up. Ironically, one of the reasons Kammerer garnered so much opposition wasn't just his research, but the fact he was an atheist. -------------- Those who know the truth are not equal to those who love it-- Confucius

Richardthughes Posts: 9474 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,08:27    Quote 3 –> Soak same in subtle or blatant ad hominem mischaracterisations and slanders or innuendos Slander is spoken and libel is written, Gordo. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6271 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,08:38    Quote 5 –> Thus, shift from a discussion towards the truth and constrained by fact and logic to the provocation of a fight by resort to routine incivility. what is "logic to the provocation of a fight by resort to routine incivility"?   in all his excitement he forgot to say what we've shifted to -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6271 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,08:44    cornytard as noted daisy, poed? Quote 2 Daisy 09/04/2009 8:11 am How disturbing… This kind of religious, dogmatic belief should have absolutely no place in the world of science. Science is supposed to be about objectivity and following the data wherever it leads, even if you don’t like the result — though it’s clear that fallible humans have repeatedly failed to live up to that standard. As the empirical research into Intelligent Design theory continues, its supporters need to hold themselves to a higher standard, remaining constantly vigilant in order to avoid making the same mistakes the worshipers of Evolutionism did. i call sock on that one.  just cause daisy is a good name for this daisy chain tardgang Barbtard Quote 3 Barb 09/04/2009 8:39 am Science is objective; it’s the scientists who are not. It stalls science when ideology crowds out rational thinking and empirical evience. stalls science, as in PSCID?   erm...  what sort of science is stalled?  remote 3rd person evangelism? some kind of cheap shiny plastic crap with jesus painted on it? really i am dying to know just what the fuck is stalled.  i'm not so much convinced it's science that's stalled as i am that yer culture war -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

midwifetoad Posts: 3138 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,09:18    Quote (Barrett Brown @ Sep. 04 2009,04:09) My latest screed against Uncommon Descent, this time in reference to Cornelius Hunter's bizarre post on "Evolution's Legacy of Shame," may be found at this link: [URL=http://trueslant.com/barrettbrown/2009/09/04/intelligent-design-advocate-mocking-of-scientist-by-other-scientists-a-century-ago-is-evol utions-legacy-of-shame/]http://trueslant.com/barrett....f-shame[/URL] I've tried for several minutes to hyperlink this but have given up. Hey! That's about me. Edit: Does Hunter ever address anything relevant, like say, the faking of evidence part? -------------- ... a poster child for irresponsible and deceitful misrepresentation of design theory on the Internet. http://tinyurl.com/9axtwbe....9axtwbe

k.e.. Posts: 2498 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,10:05    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 04 2009,16:27) Quote 3 –> Soak same in subtle or blatant ad hominem mischaracterisations and slanders or innuendos Slander is spoken and libel is written, Gordo. GORDON'S VOICES DON'T WRITE. HOMO. HE JUST TRANSCRIBES.d.t. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clownDaveTard suit." dogdidit Abbie Smith (ERV) who's got to be the most obnoxious arrogant snot I've ever seen except for when I look in a mirror. DAVE TARD

Lou FCD Posts: 5244 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,12:01    Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 04 2009,08:57)     Quote Not to mention that with a little knowledge of "nuclear chemistry", we figured out how to make gold from lead! The analogy fails at a more basic level. Natural processes turn energy into gold and lead and carbon and every other element without any "intelligent" intervention. What the hell could you possibly be talking about?     Quote That image is titled Nuclear Explosion, by WTL photos and is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-No Derivative Works 2.0 Generic license. Next thing you know, you'll be claiming that there's a constant input of energy that counters the SLoT argument...     Quote That image is titled Sunny Side Up, by code poet, and is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 2.0 Generic license. Edited to fix the second image's title. Edited again to add this cool link from the Bad Astronomer, from January of this year: Supernova remnant expands as we watch (It's a small, short flash file of shots of supernova Cassiopeia A taken in 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2007 in succession, showing the expansion of the remnant in that time.) Edited by Lou FCD on Sep. 04 2009,13:09 -------------- Lou FCD is still in school, so we should only count him as a baby biologist. - carlsonjok - deprecated I think I might love you. Don't tell Deadman - Wolfhound Seduction by Louis, my NSFW new photography website.

dmso74 Posts: 110 Joined: Aug. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,13:01    bFast explains just how much loves those yummy computers: Quote Secondly, Oatmeal, Gil is a world-class software developer as am I (he moreso). We have a deep, rich, thick understanding of computers, including “universal” turing machines. do you program in heaping spoonfuls of creamy steaming nougaty code? link

midwifetoad Posts: 3138 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,13:10    Amazing how low the threshold is for being able to out-think the likes of Einstein and Wolfram. -------------- ... a poster child for irresponsible and deceitful misrepresentation of design theory on the Internet. http://tinyurl.com/9axtwbe....9axtwbe

Maya Posts: 702 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,13:47    Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 04 2009,07:16) Quote [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/education/blown-away-dan-peterson-reviews-dr-stephen-meyers-book-the-signature-in-the-cell-at-the-am erican-spectator/#comment-332867]kairosfocus[/URL]: Onlookers (and Clive): . . . Looks like Gordon is calling for Mama Clive Baby to make the mean old Blue Lotus stop pointing out Gordon's less than honest tactics.

carlsonjok Posts: 3323 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,14:12    Quote (Maya @ Sep. 04 2009,13:47) Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 04 2009,07:16)   Quote [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/education/blown-away-dan-peterson-reviews-dr-stephen-meyers-book-the-signature-in-the-cell-at-the-am erican-spectator/#comment-332867]kairosfocus[/URL]: Onlookers (and Clive): . . . Looks like Gordon is calling for Mama Clive Baby to make the mean old Blue Lotus stop pointing out Gordon's less than honest tactics. He better be careful what he asks for. Clive moderates one of his own: Quote 18 Clive Hayden 09/04/2009 1:51 pm bFast, Quote    Oatmeal, you are a bit stupid, aren’t you. That just landed you in the moderation pool. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Maya Posts: 702 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,14:17    Quote (carlsonjok @ Sep. 04 2009,14:12) Quote (Maya @ Sep. 04 2009,13:47)   Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 04 2009,07:16)   Quote [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/education/blown-away-dan-peterson-reviews-dr-stephen-meyers-book-the-signature-in-the-cell-at-the-am erican-spectator/#comment-332867]kairosfocus[/URL]: Onlookers (and Clive): . . . Looks like Gordon is calling for Mama Clive Baby to make the mean old Blue Lotus stop pointing out Gordon's less than honest tactics. He better be careful what he asks for. Clive moderates one of his own:   Quote 18 Clive Hayden 09/04/2009 1:51 pm bFast,   Quote    Oatmeal, you are a bit stupid, aren’t you. That just landed you in the moderation pool. Clive baby is joining the evil conspiracy of Expellers!

Richardthughes Posts: 9474 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,14:32    Quote (dmso74 @ Sep. 04 2009,13:01) bFast explains just how much loves those yummy computers:   Quote Secondly, Oatmeal, Gil is a world-class software developer as am I (he moreso). We have a deep, rich, thick understanding of computers, including “universal” turing machines. do you program in heaping spoonfuls of creamy steaming nougaty code? link World class? what's he done that we've heard of, then? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Bob O'H Posts: 1865 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,14:35    Quote (Maya @ Sep. 04 2009,14:17) Quote (carlsonjok @ Sep. 04 2009,14:12) Quote (Maya @ Sep. 04 2009,13:47)   Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 04 2009,07:16)     Quote [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/education/blown-away-dan-peterson-reviews-dr-stephen-meyers-book-the-signature-in-the-cell-at-the-am erican-spectator/#comment-332867]kairosfocus[/URL]: Onlookers (and Clive): . . . Looks like Gordon is calling for Mama Clive Baby to make the mean old Blue Lotus stop pointing out Gordon's less than honest tactics. He better be careful what he asks for. Clive moderates one of his own:   Quote 18 Clive Hayden 09/04/2009 1:51 pm bFast,   Quote    Oatmeal, you are a bit stupid, aren’t you. That just landed you in the moderation pool. Clive baby is joining the evil conspiracy of Expellers! What?  I've been a member all along. -------------- ID theorists don’t postulate a designer for their arguments. - Crandaddy There is no connection between a peppered moth, natural selection, and religion that I can see. - FtK

JohnW Posts: 1930 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,14:53    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 04 2009,12:32) Quote (dmso74 @ Sep. 04 2009,13:01) bFast explains just how much loves those yummy computers:   Quote Secondly, Oatmeal, Gil is a world-class software developer as am I (he moreso). We have a deep, rich, thick understanding of computers, including “universal” turing machines. do you program in heaping spoonfuls of creamy steaming nougaty code? link World class? what's he done that we've heard of, then? "World class" as defined by people who think CS Lewis is a great philosopher and Dr Dr D is the Isaac Newton of Information Theory. -------------- It always amazes me to no end that people who find the Bible abhorent seem to focus only on the few instances where God commands a city destroyed. - FTK

dheddle Posts: 529 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,14:59    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 04 2009,14:32)   Quote (dmso74 @ Sep. 04 2009,13:01) bFast explains just how much loves those yummy computers:     Quote Secondly, Oatmeal, Gil is a world-class software developer as am I (he moreso). We have a deep, rich, thick understanding of computers, including “universal” turing machines. do you program in heaping spoonfuls of creamy steaming nougaty code? link World class? what's he done that we've heard of, then? World class? I'll give you world class! -------------- Mysticism is a rational enterprise. Religion is not. The mystic has recognized something about the nature of consciousness prior to thought, and this recognition is susceptible to rational discussion. The mystic has reason for what he believes, and these reasons are empirical. --Sam Harris

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4213 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,15:26    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 04 2009,15:32)   Quote (dmso74 @ Sep. 04 2009,13:01) bFast explains just how much loves those yummy computers:     Quote Secondly, Oatmeal, Gil is a world-class software developer as am I (he moreso). We have a deep, rich, thick understanding of computers, including “universal” turing machines. do you program in heaping spoonfuls of creamy steaming nougaty code? link World class? what's he done that we've heard of, then? He meant "Hello world" class. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace

bfish Posts: 267 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,15:48    Quote 7 Andrew Sibley 09/04/2009 12:18 pm yakky d – design is a probabilistic inference to the best explanation, as are evolutionary explanations. The problem for biology is to determine which is the best explanation, sometimes the answer is clear, sometimes it isn’t. For those who like to think that science gives absolute answers such probabilistic solutions are not very satisfactory. Anyone here think science gives absolute answers? Anybody? From the Dawkins-new-book thread

Dr.GH Posts: 1864 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,15:59    Quote (bfish @ Sep. 04 2009,13:48) Quote 7 Andrew Sibley 09/04/2009 12:18 pm yakky d – design is a probabilistic inference to the best explanation, as are evolutionary explanations. The problem for biology is to determine which is the best explanation, sometimes the answer is clear, sometimes it isn’t. For those who like to think that science gives absolute answers such probabilistic solutions are not very satisfactory. Anyone here think science gives absolute answers? Anybody? From the Dawkins-new-book thread Well, I remember losing points on a chemistry exam because I was not giving the "absolute" answers. And in a lab, things can blow-up if you ignore the absolutes. So, there are some correct answers, and some are wrong answers. As the saying goes, "Creationism isn't even wrong." -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

bfish Posts: 267 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,15:59    Quote (Barrett Brown @ Sep. 04 2009,02:09) My latest screed against Uncommon Descent, this time in reference to Cornelius Hunter's bizarre post on "Evolution's Legacy of Shame," may be found at this link: [URL=http://trueslant.com/barrettbrown/2009/09/04/intelligent-design-advocate-mocking-of-scientist-by-other-scientists-a-century-ago-is-evol utions-legacy-of-shame/]http://trueslant.com/barrett....f-shame[/URL] I've tried for several minutes to hyperlink this but have given up. You managed to stir up a couple of commenters over there. Some of them are really odious. This in response to Barrett Brown's post-greeting comment about Alan Turing: Quote 8 IRQ Conflict 09/04/2009 12:13 pm BarrettBrown, Are you saying we should just keep our heads in the sand and not learn from the past? And I will let you in on a little secret. The homosexual lifestyle is a blight on society. And teaching such things to children, I have no words for those depraved idiots. But hey! At least we aren’t in their bedrooms. Right? Why are they in ours? There is NO shame in prosecuting someone who breaks the law. As it’s been said, if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime! I edited out a link he included at the end of his comment, because I don't want to propagate whatever it is.

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,16:08    Quote But hey! At least we aren’t in their bedrooms. Right? Why are they in ours? Is he (I'm guessing here) in prison? That's the only way I can make even superficial sense of that statement. -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4117 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,16:13    It's time to start the third thread. I'll add this one to the quick links bar. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

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